There is absolutely NO way for anyone to know what kind of value a Geno trade could return. I'm certainly NOT saying the Pens Should trade him, but I have said they should look into it. We all know that at times, OTHER teams can make not-so-great moves. You all are just collecting hockey cards, and if you have your way, the entire core will retire as Penguins, and they'll win barely 30 games until they all retire. And then y'all will REALLY be female dogging it.

Geno didn't earn his salary any better than JJ did this season (which is GMJR's fault, not JJs) Oh yeah... I keep forgetting... this is JJs fault too.
Dumb.
- Cousinskrid

No one thinks we’re going to keep contending after our core is past their prime, dude. We all know at some point the window will close and then it’s time for a probably lengthy rebuild. Cool straw man, though.

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... goes to throw out all his victoria secrets catalogs.
- Rinosaur

You sure?

Thank you.

There have been responses posted here with as many as 5 Penguins 'core' members retiring as Penguins. Silly. Their cards will be flapping on my kids' bicycle tires LONG before that. Sid is the only Pen that should retire as a Pen.
- Cousinskrid

Evgeni Malkin has done just as much for this franchise and is just as decorated as Sid. What’s your basis for making the distinction between the two? Ones Canadian?

Maatta for Kassian
JJ + 1st to the moon for a 6 pack of beer
Sign Anton Stralman
Gudbranson to anyone for anything
Sign Hagelin/Ennis/Pirri/etc to cheap contract.
Sign Jordie Benn


Jake-Sid-McCann
Hagelin-Geno-Kessel
Simon-Bjugstad-Horny
Rust-Bleuger-Kassian

Dumo-Letang
Pettersson-Schultz
Benn-Stralman

Maatta for Kassian
JJ + 1st to the moon for a 6 pack of beer
Sign Anton Stralman
Gudbranson to anyone for anything
Sign Hagelin/Ennis/Pirri/etc to cheap contract.
Sign Jordie Benn


Jake-Sid-McCann
Hagelin-Geno-Kessel
Simon-Bjugstad-Horny
Rust-Bleuger-Kassian

Dumo-Letang
Pettersson-Schultz
Benn-Stralman
- j.boyd919

Letang, Malkin, and Blueger for Weber, Danault, and Tatar

Geno put up 72 points in 68 games. He earned his salary easily.
- j.boyd919

Nah. $9.5M should equal 100 points, or at least 90-something. Year in and year out, until he's 35.

Maatta for Kassian
JJ + 1st to the moon for a 6 pack of beer
Sign Anton Stralman
Gudbranson to anyone for anything
Sign Hagelin/Ennis/Pirri/etc to cheap contract.
Sign Jordie Benn


Jake-Sid-McCann
Hagelin-Geno-Kessel
Simon-Bjugstad-Horny
Rust-Bleuger-Kassian

Dumo-Letang
Pettersson-Schultz
Benn-Stralman
- j.boyd919

Infinitely better than any lineup that doesn’t include Malkin and Phil

Nah. $9.5M should equal 100 points, or at least 90-something. Year in and year out, until he's 35.
- Cousinskrid

Just stop.

Evgeni Malkin has done just as much for this franchise and is just as decorated as Sid. What’s your basis for making the distinction between the two? Ones Canadian?
- Victoro311

Nope. That would be racist, LOL. My theory is that if you consider core pieces now... I've suggested 71 and 58... that you don't necessarily have to tank after championships, like most folks seem to think you are destined for.

Maybe you take advantage of a desperate GM (Detroit), but if the deal isn't good, you keep your guys.

Nah. $9.5M should equal 100 points, or at least 90-something. Year in and year out, until he's 35.
- Cousinskrid

So you don't think Panarin, Tavares, and/or Ovechkin are worth $9.5M?

Nope. That would be racist, LOL. My theory is that if you consider core pieces now... I've suggested 71 and 58... that you don't necessarily have to tank after championships, like most folks seem to think you are destined for.

Maybe you take advantage of a desperate GM (Detroit), but if the deal isn't good, you keep your guys.
- Cousinskrid

Canadian is a race???

So you don't think Panarin, Tavares, and/or Ovechkin are worth $9.5M?
- jmatchett383

IDK... Geno makes more than Sid... he should be at least pretty close to Sid in production. I'll give him that much leeway.

The Penguins should trade a 32-year-old superstar to a rebuilding team for multiple integral pieces of that team's rebuild.
- jmatchett383

Dont forget our bad players for that team's good players.

Nope. That would be racist, LOL. My theory is that if you consider core pieces now... I've suggested 71 and 58... that you don't necessarily have to tank after championships, like most folks seem to think you are destined for.

Maybe you take advantage of a desperate GM (Detroit), but if the deal isn't good, you keep your guys.
- Cousinskrid

wut

IDK... Geno makes more than Sid... he should be at least pretty close to Sid in production. I'll give him that much leeway.
- Cousinskrid

Sidney Crosby took a deal on a discount, as he could have asked for $10M easily and gotten it. Malkin is not as good as Crosby because he's not Crosby.

Please answer my question.

IDK... Geno makes more than Sid... he should be at least pretty close to Sid in production. I'll give him that much leeway.
- Cousinskrid

Sid made more money this season and tbh 100 points for $10m is not acceptable based on your previous post.

Sidney Crosby took a deal on a discount, as he could have asked for $10M easily and gotten it. Malkin is not as good as Crosby because he's not Crosby.

Please answer my question.
- jmatchett383

I think players' production/performance is relative to their own team/system, so I don't think it's a fair question. It's ok if Geno produces less than Sid, but he had a bad year and seemed to me he was out of sync with his linemates pretty much all season.

I'm a YUGE fan of his, but my theory goes to the team overall, and not just Geno. He just happens to be the guy IMHO that has value to other GMs.

Sid made more money this season and tbh 100 points for $10m is not acceptable based on your previous post.
- Feds91Stammer

Sid made more than Geno? Wut?

I think players' production/performance is relative to their own team/system, so I don't think it's a fair question. It's ok if Geno produces less than Sid, but he had a bad year and seemed to me he was out of sync with his linemates pretty much all season.

I'm a YUGE fan of his, but my theory goes to the team overall, and not just Geno.
- Cousinskrid

Well relative to their 5v5 ice time Malkin spend a higher percentage of his with JJ than Crosby did. So there you go I found the root cause of the issue.

Sid made more than Geno? Wut?
- Cousinskrid

Yeah its almost like salary and AAV are not one in the same.

Well relative to their 5v5 ice time Malkin spend a higher percentage of his with JJ than Crosby did. So there you go I found the root cause of the issue.
- Feds91Stammer

Yes, I have seen this story somewhere before... and I really can't argue with this.

But I would add that once Geno's line did make it safely into the offensive zone for most of this season, there didn't appear to be much flow or sustained offense anyway. Lots of factors involved of course... injuries, Sully changing linemates, etc...

Again, my point is not TRADE GENO. It is about his value to the team and moving forward by getting younger and faster. If the deal isn't there, we get to keep him!

Yeah its almost like salary and AAV are not one in the same.
- Feds91Stammer

I'm an analyst by profession, so yeah, you can 'use' the numbers in whatever way supports your own theory. No harm done.

Yes, I have seen this story somewhere before... and I really can't argue with this.

But I would add that once Geno's line did make it safely into the offensive zone for most of this season, there didn't appear to be much flow or sustained offense anyway. Lots of factors involved of course... injuries, Sully changing linemates, etc...

Again, my point is not TRADE GENO. It is about his value to the team and moving forward by getting younger and faster. If the deal isn't there, we get to keep him!
- Cousinskrid

Younger and faster is not the same as better.

Malkin for Athanasiou. Hey look you are younger and faster. Thanks for Geno Machino.

I think players' production/performance is relative to their own team/system, so I don't think it's a fair question. It's ok if Geno produces less than Sid, but he had a bad year and seemed to me he was out of sync with his linemates pretty much all season.

I'm a YUGE fan of his, but my theory goes to the team overall, and not just Geno. He just happens to be the guy IMHO that has value to other GMs.
- Cousinskrid

So wait, it is production with relation to team/system, or is it a set number? You said $9.5M should be good for 90+ points annually, now you're saying something different. Please clarify.

Younger and faster is not the same as better.

Malkin for Athanasiou. Hey look you are younger and faster. Thanks for Geno Machino.
- Feds91Stammer

Crosby for Grabner