How does it not make sense? Gardiner will price himself out, but they still need to spend the money to replace him. They have other FA forwards they need to re-sign.
- Rinosaur

The assumptions per Sportsnet are that Dermott will be in the top 4 next year and that Sandin and Liljegren will make the jump. Reilly, Zaitsev, Muzzin, Dermott, Sandin, Liljegren. If they’re going to make a move it’s likely in season for a veteran rental when a team will retain salary

Aside from year 4, it's not THAT bad.
- jmatchett383

Whats the cap hit/cost years 1 to 3?

The assumptions per Sportsnet are that Dermott will be in the top 4 next year and that Sandin and Liljegren will make the jump. Reilly, Zaitsev, Muzzin, Dermott, Sandin, Liljegren. If they’re going to make a move it’s likely in season for a veteran rental when a team will retain salary
- WSCTeton17

If that’s the case then yes, it wouldn’t make sense.

Does everyone here think that the Pens are still a fast run and gun team? Capable of the type of swarming play that won them the cup in 16? I'm not sure an influx of youth would achieve this.

The only way I can see how the trading any of the star forwards on the team would help is if the team mentality switches from all offense to a more defensive approach.

Construct the team around a very solid top line, with the emphasis on a stronger puck moving d core.
- Thorny87

Yep. I think they can absolutely be a run and gun team. They just need defenseman who can push the play forward and facilitate breakouts; not “push back.” And they need speedy forwards ala Ennis, Hagelin, Adam Johnson, etc. that can get the breakout going and also help stretch the rink vertically to pull the defensemen back in the neutral zone.

I would do the following:

Maatta for Hyman. Toronto is in a tough spot capwise with everyone they need to sign also replace Gardiner on a budget.

Hornqvist for Grabner.

JJ + a first or Hallander with some retention to a capfloor team.

Sign Pommenville, Hagelin or Ennis for around $1Mish.

Sign LD, not sure who yet.

McCann-Sid-Jake
Hyman-Geno-Phil
Grabner-Bjugstad-Rust
Simon-Blueger-Ennis

Dumo/Letang
Petterson/Schultz
???/Gudbranson
- Rinosaur

Jordie Benn.

Whats the cap hit/cost years 1 to 3?
- MattStrat

https://www.capfriendly.c...r/jack-johnson/2019-06-15

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jack-johnson/2019-06-15
- jmatchett383

(frank). Do that all day.

(frank). Do that all day.
- j.boyd919

Am I recollecting correctly that the Pens have a no buyout policy or am I making that up? Lol

Am I recollecting correctly that the Pens have a no buyout policy or am I making that up? Lol
- Rinosaur

Policy shmolicy

Policy shmolicy
- jmatchett383

I think there’s a law firm with that name

I think there’s a law firm with that name
- Rinosaur

"Do you need salary cap relief? Are you the victim of horrible return for value? Do you play Jack Johnson in your top-4? Then you need the law offices of Policy Scmolicy. We buyout players so you don't have to. Call today."

"Do you need salary cap relief? Are you the victim of horrible return for value? Do you play Jack Johnson in your top-4? Then you need the law offices of Policy Scmolicy. We buyout players so you don't have to. Call today."
- jmatchett383

Must be an attorney Edgar Snyder ad.

Must be an attorney Edgar Snyder ad.
- j.boyd919

Snider (well, Holmgren) didn't need an attorney, he just said, "You're not worth it," and was done with it. Also had no issue using an offer sheet when he deemed it necessary.

But apparently things like that make him a big meanie head that none of the children want to play with.

How does it not make sense? Gardiner will price himself out, but they still need to spend the money to replace him. They have other FA forwards they need to re-sign.
- Rinosaur

Nobody wants Maata, especially not at $4m. Toronto definitely isn't trading Hyman for him.

Nobody wants Maata, especially not at $4m. Toronto definitely isn't trading Hyman for him.
- MacPatty

This literally just in, Dermott had surgery

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jack-johnson/2019-06-15
- jmatchett383

Holy sh!t, sign me up. Not only will the core be that much older in 4 years, the cap goes up every year anyway.

If we're being realistic here though, this isn't happening.

Agreed

You know what's great when you're sick? Wings. Although they're great whenever, they really clean your nose the (frank) out when you're sick.
- jmatchett383

Make em in my air fryer almost once a week

How does it not make sense? Gardiner will price himself out, but they still need to spend the money to replace him. They have other FA forwards they need to re-sign.
- Rinosaur

They don't have the money to replace him and the move has a negative cap impact for TOR. They are already cap strapped.

They don't have the money to replace him and the move has a negative cap impact for TOR. They are already cap strapped.
- Feds91Stammer

Also don't know why you want Hyman. He sucks.

Also don't know why you want Hyman. He sucks.
- Feds91Stammer

To make sure he doesn't get broken?

Nobody wants Maata, especially not at $4m. Toronto definitely isn't trading Hyman for him.
- MacPatty

Maatta is a fine defenseman. The perception on this board that Maatta sucks is wrong. Your perception on most things is wrong, so it makes sense that you feel this way.

Also don't know why you want Hyman. He sucks.
- Feds91Stammer

He just needs to be broken in.

Maatta is a fine defenseman. The perception on this board that Maatta sucks is wrong. Your perception on most things is wrong, so it makes sense that you feel this way.
- j.boyd919

I’m also a believer that Määttä should be a starter for us easily. I wouldn’t trade him before exploring Johnson, Hörnqvist and Gudbranson trades.

Big girls do more stuff.

Also don't know why you want Hyman. He sucks.
- Feds91Stammer

He had more goals and nearly the same even strength points as Malkin this year. So who sucks?