So this was circulating through social media...

directly from the Oilers NHL page:





Full Autonomy my ass. What a joke.
- EdmHockeyMan

Enjoy.

I guess I’m in the minority then because I don’t think he bothers unless he had full control....why take the job otherwise when you could be getting millions to sit around in Detroit.....this summer should tell the story of full autonomy or not
- RatedR80

You could be right, but based on how Bob and Katz are throwing this term autonomy around, I just see it as a ploy to garner positive attention. Probably will help boost their season ticket sales or something along the lines of business.

I may be just being a tad bit too pessimistic though.

If Holland can shed cap then the money won’t be a big issue....it’s not like Nuge is gonna get 10 mil + or Larsson is getting 8 mil +....also Nurse will need to be resigned during that time period as well.....the Oilers will end up doing the 7-3-1 as far as protection goes....so the real question is if Jones, Bouch and Sammy get 70+ games in before that draft who do you protect?
- RatedR80

I thought expansion rules were strictly that a player needed to have turned pro this past season to be eligible and for any AHLers that turned pro this past year (Benson and Marody) would need to play 70+ games to be eligible to be picked. Could be wrong but this was my understanding seeing how McDavid, Nurse and Draisaitl were all exempt despite playing both the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons prior to the draft.

I guess I’m in the minority then because I don’t think he bothers unless he had full control....why take the job otherwise when you could be getting millions to sit around in Detroit.....this summer should tell the story of full autonomy or not
- RatedR80

Also, perhaps what he is making here is double or maybe even triple what he would be making in Detroit as an advisor? There is also that too. Perhaps the amount of money in itself is what merely enticed him?

Bouchard is exempt because he’ll have only played 2 seasons pro. Just like Nurse was exempt in 2017 with 115 NHL games played.
- Vanillaface

Beat me to it.

Enjoy.
- RafiDRW

Hypothetically, if we have to choose between resigning/extending RNH or Larsson due to cap reasons and/or roster allocation, and trading the other, who would it be?

I guess that would pertain to multiple factors, but I'd honestly have to say resign RNH and trade Larsson. Burn me for my blasphemy.

By then, dependent on defense develop, Bouchard, Jones, and Samorukov will be ready. Not to mention RNH is younger. But then again, I guess this is a mere hypothetical.
- EdmHockeyMan

I keep RNH if I have to choose. His play style is more suited to high level play into his 30s and our prospects depth at F is shallow compared to at D.

I thought expansion rules were strictly that a player needed to have turned pro this past season to be eligible and for any AHLers that turned pro this past year (Benson and Marody) would need to play 70+ games to be eligible to be picked. Could be wrong but this was my understanding seeing how McDavid, Nurse and Draisaitl were all exempt despite playing both the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons prior to the draft.
- MaximumBone

I read the contracts wrong I admit defeat on the matter

You could be right, but based on how Bob and Katz are throwing this term autonomy around, I just see it as a ploy to garner positive attention. Probably will help boost their season ticket sales or something along the lines of business.

I may be just being a tad bit too pessimistic though.
- EdmHockeyMan

I have doubts about Holland but I’ll see how it plays out....I’ll let him fail before saying he is a failure

Koskenin was brilliant at times then not so much during other times.....we do need an experienced goalie to back him up in case he does struggle again....the Oilers could also do their goalies a favour and fire Schwartz and get someone in that can actually help.....that could go a long ways
- RatedR80

He struggled as the team struggled. When the defence is moving the puck and not coughing it up right at the circle he was solid. His glove hand talk is over rated, when you turn the puck over in front the glove is always last to get set.

Enjoy.
- RafiDRW

Thats how it works. He reports to bob rather than directly to daryl. That heirarchy is true for every team. The only one with no boss is daryl and he doesnt interfere with his people in charge. Perfect owner spends to the cap, huge oiler fan and stays out of peoples business.

Why not trade for Jack Campbell? He had stellar numbers playing for a terrible team last season, and looked excellent all year. The Kings aren't going to be able to get what they want for Quick, so they'll likely look to move Campbell instead. Oilers wouldn't have to give up much to get him, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick. He's signed to a lower-than-league-minimum $650k contract for next season as well.

I still dont get this koskinnen has an albatross contract. I see him as the starter and quite a few people will be eating their words after he does well next year.
- oil90

You fail to understand value contracts

Maayybbee koskinen will turn into full time nhl starter with the requisite numbers.
But until then, it’s an albatross.

And even if he does, this doesn’t change the fact that both the deals he signed were ridiculous. They were both far too high of dollars considering his sample size. Not only that, but they actually doubled down on the first gamble and then gave him too much money again, but this time with term.
This isn’t maximizing value on your assets.
It’s basically hoping your asset becomes far more consistent just to get reasonable value at some point. And 3 years!? Nuts

He struggled as the team struggled. When the defence is moving the puck and not coughing it up right at the circle he was solid. His glove hand talk is over rated, when you turn the puck over in front the glove is always last to get set.
- oil90

The team also struggled at times during their win streaks but he stood on his head.....other times the team played good and he played like poop....Koskenin is an inconsistent goaltender....we don’t know what we have which is why we need an experienced back up....also 4.5 for half a seasons work is just reckless spending when we have cap issues already....it’s either going to be a genius move or an anchor

The team also struggled at times during their win streaks but he stood on his head.....other times the team played good and he played like poop....Koskenin is an inconsistent goaltender....we don’t know what we have which is why we need an experienced back up....also 4.5 for half a seasons work is just reckless spending when we have cap issues already....it’s either going to be a genius move or an anchor
- RatedR80

I think at best case it’s lucky move with very long odds.
Even if he becomes great.
Because much like his first contract (even tho it didn’t have term which was the only decent part of it) it’s just a complete and total gamble.
And that doesn’t even take into account the dollars other goalies of his ilk that had as much and more nhl experience were getting.

Rolling 7’s on the last of your chips doesn’t make you a smart gambler. It just makes you a lucky one

30 games in the show after some inconsistent results and a bunch of years in the khl>>>3 year term at over 4. Like wtf?

Honestly, chiarelli couldn’tve been a worse gm For this organization if he was actually trying to sewer us. It’s all just so fuking bizarre.

I think at best case it’s lucky move with very long odds.
Even if he becomes great.
Because much like his first contract (even tho it didn’t have term which was the only decent part of it) it’s just a complete and total gamble.
And that doesn’t even take into account the dollars other goalies of his ilk that had as much and more nhl experience were getting.

Rolling 7’s on the last of your chips doesn’t make you a smart gambler. It just makes you a lucky one

30 games in the show after some inconsistent results and a bunch of years in the khl>>>3 year term at over 4. Like wtf?

Honestly, chiarelli couldn’tve been a worse gm For this organization if he was actually trying to sewer us. It’s all just so fuking bizarre.
- HB77

I have doubts about Holland but I’ll see how it plays out....I’ll let him fail before saying he is a failure
- RatedR80

Understood

I keep RNH if I have to choose. His play style is more suited to high level play into his 30s and our prospects depth at F is shallow compared to at D.
- MaximumBone

I think people are getting too hung up on the fact Koskinen is getting paid 4.5M... currently this makes him the 18th highest paid goalie going in to next season. Once Bobrovsky, Lehner and Mrazek sign their deals this will drop him below the top 20. If the team believes he will be good for a 50 game workload or more than this contract is about average for a NHL netminder nowadays.

You fail to understand value contracts

Maayybbee koskinen will turn into full time nhl starter with the requisite numbers.
But until then, it’s an albatross.

And even if he does, this doesn’t change the fact that both the deals he signed were ridiculous. They were both far too high of dollars considering his sample size. Not only that, but they actually doubled down on the first gamble and then gave him too much money again, but this time with term.
This isn’t maximizing value on your assets.
It’s basically hoping your asset becomes far more consistent just to get reasonable value at some point. And 3 years!? Nuts
- HB77

Supply and demand. The only goalies who r sure thing this offseason and available are well over $6.5plus a year. Ajyone below are like resigned or are well over 30 and backup calibre. Koskinne at that dollar was a great bet on return and three years is not long term at $4.5 a year. I solidly see his khl stats as a measure of his ability. But we agree to disagree.

Supply and demand. The only goalies who r sure thing this offseason and available are well over $6.5plus a year. Ajyone below are like resigned or are well over 30 and backup calibre. Koskinne at that dollar was a great bet on return and three years is not long term at $4.5 a year. I solidly see his khl stats as a measure of his ability. But we agree to disagree.
- oil90

You really need to go back to posting less often. Being the sharpest spoon in the drawer isnt a good thing.

I think at best case it’s lucky move with very long odds.
Even if he becomes great.
Because much like his first contract (even tho it didn’t have term which was the only decent part of it) it’s just a complete and total gamble.
And that doesn’t even take into account the dollars other goalies of his ilk that had as much and more nhl experience were getting.

Rolling 7’s on the last of your chips doesn’t make you a smart gambler. It just makes you a lucky one

30 games in the show after some inconsistent results and a bunch of years in the khl>>>3 year term at over 4. Like wtf?

Honestly, chiarelli couldn’tve been a worse gm For this organization if he was actually trying to sewer us. It’s all just so fuking bizarre.
- HB77

The Oilers have not been very good with this gambling thing through the years through trades or through contract signings....more times then not it fails

I think people are getting too hung up on the fact Koskinen is getting paid 4.5M... currently this makes him the 18th highest paid goalie going in to next season. Once Bobrovsky, Lehner and Mrazek sign their deals this will drop him below the top 20. If the team believes he will be good for a 50 game workload or more than this contract is about average for a NHL netminder nowadays.
- Lemmewinks

Lots of those guys on that list are actual starting goalies.....with the sample size we have gotten from Koskenin we don’t know if he can be a starting goalie and I think that’s the whole point....you are giving him 4.5 mil in hopes he performs well so it becomes a steal....seems reckless to me

Lots of those guys on that list are actual starting goalies.....with the sample size we have gotten from Koskenin we don’t know if he can be a starting goalie and I think that’s the whole point....you are giving him 4.5 mil in hopes he performs well so it becomes a steal....seems reckless to me
- RatedR80

In the interest of steel-manning his likely point:

Luongo, Howard, Andersen, Bishop, Anderson, Allen, Dubnyk, Raanta, Talbot, Darling, Murray, Markstrom and Vasilevskiy are his closest (within 1mil) cap comparables from this last year.

Of those guys, the ones who played a similar number of games (around of above 45) include Luongo, Howard, Andersen, Bishop, Anderson, Allen, Dubnyk, Murray, Markstrom and Vasilevskiy.

Of those guys, the one's who signed their current contract either as 2nd time RFAs or UFAs are all but Murray and Vasilevskiy.

Sorted by sv% results from this last year, they go as follows:

Bishop - .934
Andersen - .917
Dubnyk - .913
Markstrom - .912
Howard - .909
Koskinen - .906
Allen - .905 ----------------------- League average sv %
Anderson - .904
Luongo - .899

He produced JUST above league average results on a team we can all agree was below league average this past year and did so playing 55 games. By limited objective measure, I'd say that he had a starter quality season. That having been said, he still has a small NHL track record and has yet to see the result of a full summer of NHL teams picking apart video of his play to find his weaknesses.