6 goals, 27 points.

Even Tyler (frank)ing Ennis had 12 goals.
- JohnFergusonJr

I'll ask again.. It was widely reported that Nylander was asking for $8M per season, Leafs signed him to a deal at 6.9M, how did they cave?
- PatC80

So if a player who is worth 5 asks for 10 and the team gives him 8 that's a good deal?

I'll ask again.. It was widely reported that Nylander was asking for $8M per season, Leafs signed him to a deal at 6.9M, how did they cave?
- PatC80

Because it doesn't matter what he is asking - it only matters what his actual value is.

Sorry Pat, this is incorrect.

The narrative at the time was, "Holy frank, does this guy really think he is worth as much as Pastrnak?"
- Atomic Wedgie

I remember reading a lot about him wanting Draisaitl money and the Leafs were offering Pastrnak money.

No, his cap hit is 6.9M going forward.
- PatC80

Still 7.5 average salary.
You said he want 8, got pretty close to that.

6 goals, 27 points.

Even Tyler (frank)ing Ennis had 12 goals.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yeah because a half season is so important when evaluating a player.

David Clarkson had a great full season I really wish we never traded him.

So if a player who is worth 5 asks for 10 and the team gives him 8 that's a good deal?
- aminnes

It's an even better deal if the player asks for 20 and gets 10.

That's just expert negotiations.

Because it doesn't matter what he is asking - it only matters what his actual value is.
- Atomic Wedgie

Agreed, his value is closer to 6.9, then it is to 8.

None.

He had 30 bad games after starting the season mid way through. I’ll take the 200 other games to properly analyze how good he is. Like any competent person should.
- Santo_44

He floated around even in the playoffs. Yes, he got some points, but he was a liability most nights.

Because it doesn't matter what he is asking - it only matters what his actual value is.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think it does matter what the player is asking for.. Look at Marner for example, if he really is asking for $11M, The Leafs can't really say frank it, we think you are only worth $8M. If you do, you risk losing the player.

It's an even better deal if the player asks for 20 and gets 10.

That's just expert negotiations.
- JohnFergusonJr

Leafs asked for 30 goals, Nylander gave them 6.

I think it does matter what the player is asking for.. Look at Marner for example, if he really is asking for $11M, The Leafs can't really say frank it, we think you are only worth $8M. If you do, you risk losing the player.
- PatC80

That's why they already (frank)ed themselves. If AM is worth 11.6 over only 5 years Mitch is close to that figure. You can't turn around and say he's worth 8 now, it's too late.

I think it does matter what the player is asking for.. Look at Marner for example, if he really is asking for $11M, The Leafs can't really say frank it, we think you are only worth $8M. If you do, you risk losing the player.
- PatC80

How do you lose a restricted free agent?

Leafs asked for 30 goals, Nylander gave them 6.
- Atomic Wedgie

30 goals in 54 games? That sounds way too easy

How do you lose a restricted free agent?
- Atomic Wedgie

everyone's favourite.. The offer sheet, or trade

None.

He had 30 bad games after starting the season mid way through. I’ll take the 200 other games to properly analyze how good he is. Like any competent person should.
- Santo_44

Even if you did that, he's still worth less than 6.9 AAV.

21 goals, 61 points is what he averaged his first 2 full years.

30 goals in 54 games? That sounds way too easy
- PatC80

But Nylander didn't even meet them in the middle...

Even if you did that, he's still worth less than 6.9 AAV.

21 goals, 61 points is what he averaged his first 2 full years.
- JohnFergusonJr

Ya but other teams overpaid their players John, so that means the Leafs have to as well.

Agreed, his value is closer to 6.9, then it is to 8.
- PatC80

Again, it's 7.5.
It'll only be 6.9 to some other team.

Leafs asked for 30 goals, Nylander gave them 6.
- Atomic Wedgie

Leafs should have asked for 150.

Might have actually got it.

Even if you did that, he's still worth less than 6.9 AAV.

21 goals, 61 points is what he averaged his first 2 full years.
- JohnFergusonJr

What contract would you have offered him?

Again, it's 7.5.
It'll only be 6.9 to some other team.
- bobbyisno1

Again.. AAV is $6,962,366.

everyone's favourite.. The offer sheet, or trade
- PatC80

Nobody is offer-sheeting Marner - nobody is surrendering 4 1st round picks.

Nobody offer-sheeted Nylander, because other teams thought he was asking too much.

Again, it's 7.5.
It'll only be 6.9 to some other team.
- bobbyisno1

Big cap hit this past year, $6.9 going forward:

https://www.capfriendly.c.../players/william-nylander

It's 6.9 cap hit, cause he got paid 10.3 this year.
- bobbyisno1

The system works.