Tavares also had a career high in goals.

And players as young as Marner tend to have a jump in point totals as a natural progression of skill and understanding of playing in the NHL. Maybe playing with poopbags like Bozak and JVR was just holding him back from his natural potential.

Kadri couldn't play center for a long time. Got sent back down more than once because of it.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yeah nothing to do with playing with an allstar center.

Impossible.

You are trolling here. You know full well being a winger he doesnt/shouldnt get that.

I love Mitchy, I really do. 10.16 @ 8 years...its a slight overpayment, and it frankes them in the 19/20 season till all this cap crap clears off for 20/21 season.
- mel_vin

Buying UFA years aren't cheap.

It's either he gets paid for the 8 years or he can become a UFA and dip sooner.

Oh so now points matter. I thought it was only goals.

Goals matter most!

But the guy who creates the goals, nah, (frank) him.


- JohnFergusonJr

Exactly like I said in my other post, you really aren't burdened with intelligence.

Obvious goaltender interference in the Canada game.

Insane how they're taking so long to call this no goal.

So now Marner can play center because Nylander?

Jeeze man use actual facts.
- Santo_44

If Nylander can play C, anyone can play C.

Creates goals just the same. Could play center, that's on the coach.

UFA years cost money.

And a 5 year deal is stupid because then he could walk like Matthews can walk and like how Tavares walked.
- JohnFergusonJr

I agree with you on this one. Everyone forgets the importance of the guy setting up the play. How many goals does Matthews create on his own. A few here and there, not nearly as many as his rookie year now that teams key on him. Look at his goals in the playoffs. Not taking anything away, but he's standing or hovering around, gets a sweet feed and puts it in. The passer is every bit as important if not more in most cases.

Yeah nothing to do with playing with an allstar center.

Impossible.
- Santo_44

Yeah nothing to do with Marner being top 3 in primary assists.

It's easy to play that game.

Reality is though, they complimented each other very well. Doesn't mean one is worth less than the other though.

Especially as Tavares gets older, you're going to want a guy beside him feeding him those open net goals.

He can't move. He's TJ Brennan 2.0
- AdamFrench

and he was drafted by MTL....forever tainted

Exactly like I said in my other post, you really aren't burdened with intelligence.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I know, I know, you need to resort to insults now.

It's alright.

Yeah nothing to do with Marner being top 3 in primary assists.

It's easy to play that game.

Reality is though, they complimented each other very well. Doesn't mean one is worth less than the other though.

Especially as Tavares gets older, you're going to want a guy beside him feeding him those open net goals.
- JohnFergusonJr

they will pay Marner...we all know it. He will get slightly less than Snakevares and Glassthews

i hear ya.

if he came in at 10.25 for 5 years, you could probably get pen to paper with marner at 9.25; maybe have nylander for a little less too.

That's the difference difference between re-signing hainsey at league minimum and having the money to bring in a UFA at $4M/year.
- Tumbleweed

Yep, oh well. We’ll have 6- 7 guys making $1m or less. That shouldn’t hurt our chances of winning a cup right? “

i hear ya.

if he came in at 10.25 for 5 years, you could probably get pen to paper with marner at 9.25; maybe have nylander for a little less too.

That's the difference difference between re-signing hainsey at league minimum and having the money to bring in a UFA at $4M/year.
- Tumbleweed

That's why the Nylander negotiating was so crucial. But it was a cave in. Imagine if he had sat the whole year and your Matthews. You now know how far the club is prepared to go to keep their cap situation level. Instead you see the club cave in, paying 20 million in 12 months, and you realize you can fleece these guys. Absolutely zero chance Mitch gets anything less than his maximum UFA value just like those two did. Why would he take less?

they will pay Marner...we all know it. He will get slightly less than Snakevares and Glassthews
- Symba007

You sure?

That's why the Nylander negotiating was so crucial. But it was a cave in. Imagine if he had sat the whole year and your Matthews. You now know how far the club is prepared to go to keep their cap situation level. Instead you see the club cave in, paying 20 million in 12 months, and you realize you can fleece these guys. Absolutely zero chance Mitch gets anything less than his maximum UFA value just like those two did. Why would he take less?
- aminnes

They can always trade Nylander and still make it work.

Just a matter of getting the right deals done to keep the players that really matter.

I know, I know, you need to resort to insults now.

It's alright.
- JohnFergusonJr

Well, when the guy I'm conversing with takes 2 + 2 and ends up with Spaghetti, yeah, not much else to say.

I'm done with you, so I won't insult your lack of intelligence anymore.

Well, when the guy I'm conversing with takes 2 + 2 and ends up with Spaghetti, yeah, not much else to say.

I'm done with you, so I won't insult your lack of intelligence anymore.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Oh boy another one! Really digging deep now!

That's why the Nylander negotiating was so crucial. But it was a cave in. Imagine if he had sat the whole year and your Matthews. You now know how far the club is prepared to go to keep their cap situation level. Instead you see the club cave in, paying 20 million in 12 months, and you realize you can fleece these guys. Absolutely zero chance Mitch gets anything less than his maximum UFA value just like those two did. Why would he take less?
- aminnes

The club didn’t cave. Stop pushing this false narrative. Thank you.

Yep, oh well. We’ll have 6- 7 guys making $1m or less. That shouldn’t hurt our chances of winning a cup right? “
- Garnie

This

I’m getting annoyed with the lack of respect Johnnson gets from Leafs fans.

In the last 4 months of the season he was 4th in the league in P/60 5v5. 4th.

He’s the best player at a weak position on the Leafs. And they can get him for cheaper than what his production is worth.

To me he’s more important than Kap. Much more.
- Santo_44

And any other team can offer-sheet him, up to $4 million per year, and only surrender a 2nd round pick as compensation.

The Leafs are in a tough bind, cap-wise, this year.

That's why the Nylander negotiating was so crucial. But it was a cave in. Imagine if he had sat the whole year and your Matthews. You now know how far the club is prepared to go to keep their cap situation level. Instead you see the club cave in, paying 20 million in 12 months, and you realize you can fleece these guys. Absolutely zero chance Mitch gets anything less than his maximum UFA value just like those two did. Why would he take less?
- aminnes

How did the club "cave" exactly?

Don't you recall all of those reports saying Nylander was looking for $8M+ per season?
We got him at $6.9, which is almost the same that Pastrnak got. Which was considered a comparable contract at that time.

And any other team can offer-sheet him, up to $4 million per year, and only surrender a 2nd round pick as compensation.

The Leafs are in a tough bind, cap-wise, this year.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah if they decide to keep Z and Brown over them then yes.

However they won’t so

Yep, oh well. We’ll have 6- 7 guys making $1m or less. That shouldn’t hurt our chances of winning a cup right? “
- Garnie

Depends. Bracco, Liljegren, Dermott, Rosen, Sandin, Moore, GOAT, Marin- oh dear god we’re doomed.

That's why the Nylander negotiating was so crucial. But it was a cave in. Imagine if he had sat the whole year and your Matthews. You now know how far the club is prepared to go to keep their cap situation level. Instead you see the club cave in, paying 20 million in 12 months, and you realize you can fleece these guys. Absolutely zero chance Mitch gets anything less than his maximum UFA value just like those two did. Why would he take less?
- aminnes

Would have been interesting if Nylander didn't get a contract at all.

He'd still belong to the Leafs and the team probably wouldn't have suffered at all from it this year on the ice because he did next to nothing most of the year.

And, no 6.9 cap hit either.

Maybe the move really was to have him sit the whole year out.

The club didn’t cave. Stop pushing this false narrative. Thank you.
- Steven_Seagull

Nah, I will continue to push the narrative because many many people and those in the hockey world also know this. Seagull said it's a false narrative guys, better shut up. No one knows exactly what they club was thinking, but we do know they gave him an enormous amount of money while he was a RFA and had zero leverage and was 21 years old. So ya, a cave.

How did the club "cave" exactly?

Don't you recall all of those reports saying Nylander was looking for $8M+ per season?
We got him at $6.9, which is almost the same that Pastrnak got. Which was considered a comparable contract at that time.
- PatC80

Leafs were offering 5.5, Nylander wanted 8.5. The middle is 7. OH MY GOD THE LEAFS CAVED FIRE DUUUUBASS.