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shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 15 @ 8:45 AM ET
Bergeron is good comparable in terms of play style and ceiling potential. And that is a great type of franchise player.
- Pomegrant

poop I would be happy as hell if he reaches Bergeron’s level
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

May 15 @ 9:20 AM ET
Nico's ceiling is definitely Bergeron/Kopitar/Barkov. Great two way center that isn't necessarily putting up 90+ points all the time but is putting up solid offensive numbers while being great defensively. Could be a big part of both the PP and the PK.

Hughes' ceiling is moreso that of a 90+ point offensive center. Huge part of the PP, not often seen on the PK.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 15 @ 9:27 AM ET
Nico's ceiling is definitely Bergeron/Kopitar/Barkov. Great two way center that isn't necessarily putting up 90+ points all the time but is putting up solid offensive numbers while being great defensively. Could be a big part of both the PP and the PK.

Hughes' ceiling is moreso that of a 90+ point offensive center. Huge part of the PP, not often seen on the PK.

- MannySilvers

Both are busts
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

May 15 @ 11:14 AM ET
Nico with another goal. He's having a monster tournament.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 15 @ 11:17 AM ET
Nico with another goal. He's having a monster tournament.
- willschulme

Swiss are playing a lot of garbage teams right now. Not disagreeing that he's doing great but he's beating up on less comp right now.
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

May 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
Swiss are playing a lot of garbage teams right now. Not disagreeing that he's doing great but he's beating up on less comp right now.
- Pomegrant

True, sick goal still. Hughes is playing much better today too, but probably for the same reason.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

May 15 @ 11:55 AM ET
That's what she said.



or probably not.

- Queenie_5_hole


lol, probably not
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

May 15 @ 11:56 AM ET
Nico's ceiling is definitely Bergeron/Kopitar/Barkov. Great two way center that isn't necessarily putting up 90+ points all the time but is putting up solid offensive numbers while being great defensively. Could be a big part of both the PP and the PK.

Hughes' ceiling is moreso that of a 90+ point offensive center. Huge part of the PP, not often seen on the PK.

- MannySilvers


pretty please with a Don Cherry on top!
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 15 @ 12:17 PM ET
Swiss are playing a lot of garbage teams right now. Not disagreeing that he's doing great but he's beating up on less comp right now.
- Pomegrant

Great Britain taking it all this year
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

May 15 @ 12:33 PM ET
Hughes looked great today. Snake-bitten, did you see the save Great Britain's goalie made on him late in the game? And another great save off a slick pass from Hughes earlier in the game as well. Between today and the Slovakia game Hughes could easily have four or so points in this tournament.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

May 15 @ 12:34 PM ET
100%
- jmatchett383

Phew. Carry on.
FAZOOL
New Jersey Devils
Location: Exit 80, NJ
Joined: 04.30.2012

May 15 @ 12:41 PM ET
Hughes looked great today. Snake-bitten, did you see the save Great Britain's goalie made on him late in the game? And another great save off a slick pass from Hughes earlier in the game as well. Between today and the Slovakia game Hughes could easily have four or so points in this tournament.
- MannySilvers


How'd we give up 3 goals to GBR?!
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
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May 15 @ 12:45 PM ET
How'd we give up 3 goals to GBR?!
- FAZOOL


That's another thing...the USA in general has looked like crap this whole tournament, which in a way leads me to put even less stock in Hughes' performance...
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

May 15 @ 12:58 PM ET
How'd we give up 3 goals to GBR?!
- FAZOOL

Partying too much the night before.
cu45161
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.26.2016

May 15 @ 1:04 PM ET

How'd we give up 3 goals to GBR?! - FAZOOL


I'm proud of GB just for making the tournament.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

May 15 @ 3:52 PM ET
Good write up Todd. My takeaway from this is, Kakko will probably not be as good a player as Hughs, five years from now, probably ever. Kakko on the other hand is probably much closer to being NHL ready, conceivably could make a team in the 2019/20 season. His physical attributes are much further developed than Hughs. Who on the other hand is probably two to threes years away from being NHL ready, but worth the wait in the long term.
drew18
New Jersey Devils
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Joined: 02.27.2015

May 16 @ 8:44 AM ET
Good write up Todd. My takeaway from this is, Kakko will probably not be as good a player as Hughs, five years from now, probably ever. Kakko on the other hand is probably much closer to being NHL ready, conceivably could make a team in the 2019/20 season. His physical attributes are much further developed than Hughs. Who on the other hand is probably two to threes years away from being NHL ready, but worth the wait in the long term.
- walleyeb1


Hughes is not two or three years away, he will start and stay in the NHL. He will grow and adjust quickly. He will also probably have Palmieri and Zacha (maybe even bring in Simmonds) on his wings to watch over him.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 16 @ 11:40 AM ET
Hughes is not two or three years away, he will start and stay in the NHL. He will grow and adjust quickly. He will also probably have Palmieri and Zacha (maybe even bring in Simmonds) on his wings to watch over him.
- drew18

(frank) no to Simmonds
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

May 16 @ 12:23 PM ET
Hughes is not two or three years away, he will start and stay in the NHL. He will grow and adjust quickly. He will also probably have Palmieri and Zacha (maybe even bring in Simmonds) on his wings to watch over him.
- drew18


That seems to run contrary to the explanation as to why he isn’t scoring, and limited ice time at the world’s.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 16 @ 12:40 PM ET
That seems to run contrary to the explanation as to why he isn’t scoring, and limited ice time at the world’s.
- walleyeb1

you aren't the brightest, huh
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

May 16 @ 12:59 PM ET
you aren't the brightest, huh
- Pomegrant

No no Hughes is a bust. Just look at this 4 game sample.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

May 16 @ 1:48 PM ET
you aren't the brightest, huh
- Pomegrant


Just throwing thoughts out there, no reason to resort to put downs.

“Hughes was never, ever, going to play that much for USA. Jack Eichel makes $10 million a year and recently put up 80+ points. Dylan Larkin makes $6 million a year and recently put up 70 points. Those guys are obviously going to play significantly more minutes than someone who was 17 when the tournament started. The only center you'd hope Hughes would get more reps than is Luke Glendening. It just so happens that Glendening is a favorite of Jeff Blashill, his NHL head coach, and that's who is running the bench for USA.

Put another way, Hughes isn't seeing limited ice because he isn't playing well enough, or is lacking talent. He's seeing limited ice because there are stars at his position on the roster, and the lesser guys (like Glendening) probably wouldn't commit to flying to the other side of the world for a tournament if they weren't going to play a meaningful role.”

I’m not saying Kakko is going to be better than Hughs in the long run. Just that they’re starting from different places. Kakko is use to playing with men Hughs is use to playing with boys. It may take some time for Hughs make the adjustment to playing with men. Yes Hughs still probably gets selected first because he has the higher ceiling.

Assuming you guys are right and both players play in the NHL next season, it’ll be interesting to see who has the better rookie season.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 16 @ 1:49 PM ET
Just throwing thoughts out there, no reason to resort to put downs.

- walleyeb1

All of your thoughts are garbage, please throw them into the trash where they belong.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

May 16 @ 3:54 PM ET
All of your thoughts are garbage, please throw them into the trash where they belong.
- Pomegrant


You’re right Kakko is never gonna make it in the NHL:

https://twitter.com/aj_ra.../1129103887204589569?s=21
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 16 @ 4:13 PM ET
You’re right Kakko is never gonna make it in the NHL:

https://twitter.com/aj_ra.../1129103887204589569?s=21

- walleyeb1

Yeah, I've said that he's bad. But you're the one saying Hughes is undersized when you root for a team with Kane and Debrincat on it. maybe you have a mental disability, I don't really know.
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