Vlad Jr. is 3 for 3 (so far) with a walk, 2 homeruns, and 4 RBI.

Starting to breakout.

Ellis would be a great addition. A lot of talk of Subban and Turris being available. I'd like Subban here if we could fit him in.
Edit; I'm not comparing Subban to Ellis.
- PatC80

I'm not a Subban fan and I most likely never will be. I think it'd be awful if the Leafs tried to trade for him.

On top of everything, his CAP hit is waay too much. No way the Leafs could take it on.

The same defenders of Burke and Nonis?


- JohnFergusonJr

Yup. These are the same clowns saying Bernier was a number one goaltender. The same clowns that got behind Phaneuf. You should have seen the thread after they lost that game seven and when I criticized Dion. It's actually sad. They really believe in Leaf management year after year after year. These are the fans that keep then Leafs in business despite being so bad for so long. It's sad. I disagree with you, FPOM and others all the time, but never does it become fanboy love fest.

Ellis would be a great addition. A lot of talk of Subban and Turris being available. I'd like Subban here if we could fit him in.
Edit; I'm not comparing Subban to Ellis.
- PatC80

Sure sounded like a comparison.

Tonight it’s the literates against the illiterates. See if you can guess what group you belong to.
- shack67

If we're talking about literacy...

It would be dumb to trade Nylander, imagine if Colorado traded MacKinnon after he only put up 38 points in his 2nd season.
- PatC80

That's literally the definition of a comparison through implication.

Which is funny because that post was in response to someone talking about the mistakes Chiarelli made, which was another implication towards the Hall trade.

Reality is though, Hall and MacKinnon are on another level than Nylander.

If the Leafs were to trade Nylander, the odds of him becoming an MVP are slim to none.

So as long as they're getting back a guy roughly his age, on a cheaper contract, a RHD or all three (perfect scenario), they'll probably be improving the team.

I've been on this for over 10 years. Several of those commenting have supported absolutely stupid crap the leafs have done over the years. I know exactly where they stand. And for god sakes, being part of that group is not something I would be proud of.
- aminnes

Guys like you hate on everything because you know sooner or later you’ll be right and get to say I told you so.

I'm not a Subban fan and I most likely never will be. I think it'd be awful if the Leafs tried to trade for him.

On top of everything, his CAP hit is waay too much. No way the Leafs could take it on.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Gotta pass on Subban. Only 3 years left on his deal too. That's a small window. Not sure about him defensively either and his offensive output might not make up the difference. Would be nice to have a slaphot like his on the PP though.

They'd be better off getting somebody they know they keep long term and I'd say Subban would want to become a UFA ASAP. He knows what he'd be worth and wouldn't be afraid to go for it.

Gotta pass on Subban. Only 3 years left on his deal too. That's a small window. Not sure about him defensively either and his offensive output might not make up the difference. Would be nice to have a slaphot like his on the PP though.

They'd be better off getting somebody they know they keep long term and I'd say Subban would want to become a UFA ASAP. He knows what he'd be worth and wouldn't be afraid to go for it.
- JohnFergusonJr

That's the only thing I'd like.

Everything else, he's not overly good at.

If we're talking about literacy...



That's literally the definition of a comparison through implication.

Which is funny because that post was in response to someone talking about the mistakes Chiarelli made, which was another implication towards the Hall trade.

Reality is though, Hall and MacKinnon are on another level than Nylander.

If the Leafs were to trade Nylander, the odds of him becoming an MVP are slim to none.

So as long as they're getting back a guy roughly his age, on a cheaper contract, a RHD or all three (perfect scenario), they'll probably be improving the team.
- JohnFergusonJr

It’s funny that only the Nylander haters interpreted his post that way. Everyone else knew he wasn’t comparing the two players.

That's the only thing I'd like.

Everything else, he's not overly good at.
- GreatGigInTheSky

That's not the only thing. He can skate, he hits, blocks shots, he's a RHD, he can log big minutes. It wouldn't be the worst move. But it's not the best one either. It's one of those rash moves a team ends up regretting if it doesn't go perfectly.

Out of 10, it'd be a 6.

It’s funny that only the Nylander haters interpreted his post that way. Everyone else knew he wasn’t comparing the two players.
- shack67

Hate? I don't hate Nylander. I just know that he's not Hall or MacKinnon.

Hate? I don't hate Nylander. I just know that he's not Hall or MacKinnon.
- JohnFergusonJr

And like I said. Absolutely nobody said he is. NOBODY

Backreading on here is a lot like drinking.

There's definitely some enjoyment in the process, but you just know you're killing a lot of braincells.

Backreading on here is a lot like drinking.

There's definitely some enjoyment in the process, but you just know you're killing a lot of braincells.
- Thecakeisalie

Drinking is more fun and costs less brain cells but it's still a good comparison.

Drinking is more fun and costs less brain cells but it's still a good comparison.
- daeth

Unlike Nylander vs. MacKinnon.

Unlike Nylander vs. MacKinnon.
- JohnFergusonJr

Good thing no one on here made such a silly comparison.

See, here's a little help for some of the dunderheads on here.
This is sort of like what happened with the whole, "oooh, he's saying Nylander = MacKinnon!"

Let's say I forgot a glass of milk out of the fridge for several hours when it was really hot out, and then tried a sip, and realized it was nasty.

Then a few days later, I had some yogurt, and thought, "gee, I learned my lesson with the milk recently, I better refrigerate this poop until I want to eat it."

That is not me saying milk and yogurt are the same, simply that both get worse when left out where it's hot for too long.

Suggesting that the Av's trading Mac after a poopty second year would've been a terrible decision, while also mentioning Nylander, is not saying they are the same.

All it is suggesting is that deciding to trade a young player with obvious skill after a poor season, early in their career, is not always a smart thing to do, because sometimes, they improve.
Willy doesn't need to become MacKinnon for us to be happy, there is a huge gap between Nylander this season, and MacKinnon. He doesn't need to become MacKinnon, in order to improve enough.

Backreading on here is a lot like drinking.

There's definitely some enjoyment in the process, but you just know you're killing a lot of braincells.
- Thecakeisalie

That about sums up the cut and paste usual postings that pop up every thread again and again

Good thing no one on here made such a silly comparison.

See, here's a little help for some of the dunderheads on here.
This is sort of like what happened with the whole, "oooh, he's saying Nylander = MacKinnon!"

Let's say I forgot a glass of milk out of the fridge for several hours when it was really hot out, and then tried a sip, and realized it was nasty.

Then a few days later, I had some yogurt, and thought, "gee, I learned my lesson with the milk recently, I better refrigerate this poop until I want to eat it."

That is not me saying milk and yogurt are the same, simply that both get worse when left out where it's hot for too long.

Suggesting that the Av's trading Mac after a poopty second year would've been a terrible decision, while also mentioning Nylander, is not saying they are the same.

All it is suggesting is that deciding to trade a young player with obvious skill after a poor season, early in their career, is not always a smart thing to do, because sometimes, they improve.
Willy doesn't need to become MacKinnon for us to be happy, there is a huge gap between Nylander this season, and MacKinnon. He doesn't need to become MacKinnon, in order to improve enough.
- Thecakeisalie

I love how the UG clone keeps making poop up. I only posted their PPG during their ELCs. Never said Nylander was better. Never even said he was equal.

I love how the UG clone keeps making poop up. I only posted their PPG during their ELCs. Never said Nylander was better. Never even said he was equal.
- Steven_Seagull

It's a deflection when they don't have a proper counter argument. They twist the statement into something silly, like "Nylander = MacKinnon", and then rant on about how stupid you are, while taking all the attention off your original excellent point.

Either that, or they're just stupid.

It's a deflection when they don't have a proper counter argument. They twist the statement into something silly, like "Nylander = MacKinnon", and then rant on about how stupid you are, while taking all the attention off your original excellent point.

Either that, or they're just stupid.
- Thecakeisalie

UG clones: Not as good as the original, but just as annoying.


I could’ve used Barkov, Gaudreau, Scheifele, Monahan, etc. These guys weren’t PPG players when they signed their contracts. MacKinnon wasn’t a Hart candidate until the second year of his new contract. They developed and became great players. Yet Nylander will never reach 60 points again, let alone 70+ simply because he’s a Leaf.

for Wedgie's realistic view on Nylander
for Sandro's realistic view on Nylander

Nylander has great individual attributes.
he's not a team player.

teams win Stanley Cups, not individual players.

people who cannot understand that, probably have never really been part of a team - either sports or any other profession..

for Wedgie's realistic view on Nylander
for Sandro's realistic view on Nylander

Nylander has great individual attributes.
he's not a team player.

teams win Stanley Cups, not individual players.

people who cannot understand that, probably have never really been part of a team - either sports or any other profession..
- MaximusAurelius

- Steven_Seagull

i wasn't counting on you to have any kind of real professional responsibility in life - so i completely understand your 'feedback' on this - you just cannot relate to how things work in the real world

The same defenders of Burke and Nonis?


- JohnFergusonJr

Weird, seemed to me those that shatting on Willie were the ones supporting Burke and nonis