Yup. These are the same clowns saying Bernier was a number one goaltender. The same clowns that got behind Phaneuf. You should have seen the thread after they lost that game seven and when I criticized Dion. It's actually sad. They really believe in Leaf management year after year after year. These are the fans that keep then Leafs in business despite being so bad for so long. It's sad. I disagree with you, FPOM and others all the time, but never does it become fanboy love fest.
- aminnes

This is a typical hb post. So classic. Just make poop up.

i wasn't counting on you to have any kind of real professional responsibility in life - so i completely understand your 'feedback' on this - you just cannot relate to how things work in the real world
- MaximusAurelius

If we're talking about literacy...



That's literally the definition of a comparison through implication.

Which is funny because that post was in response to someone talking about the mistakes Chiarelli made, which was another implication towards the Hall trade.

Reality is though, Hall and MacKinnon are on another level than Nylander.

If the Leafs were to trade Nylander, the odds of him becoming an MVP are slim to none.

So as long as they're getting back a guy roughly his age, on a cheaper contract, a RHD or all three (perfect scenario), they'll probably be improving the team.
- JohnFergusonJr

1. No it's not. People with at least a single brain cell understood that he wasn't saying nylander is equal to mackinnon. If someone mentions 2 things in the same sentence and literally makes comparisons between "the situations" then it should be pretty straight forward what is being compared.

2. So as long as we get someone the right age or a rhd that's all that matters or cheaper it's a good trade? Ummm what if we look for someone at least his equal in terms of value if you're gonna trade him? Litterally the 3 things you mentioned (only need one, but hopefully all 3 ) isn't even the most important thing to consider.

Good thing no one on here made such a silly comparison.

See, here's a little help for some of the dunderheads on here.
This is sort of like what happened with the whole, "oooh, he's saying Nylander = MacKinnon!"

Let's say I forgot a glass of milk out of the fridge for several hours when it was really hot out, and then tried a sip, and realized it was nasty.

Then a few days later, I had some yogurt, and thought, "gee, I learned my lesson with the milk recently, I better refrigerate this poop until I want to eat it."

That is not me saying milk and yogurt are the same, simply that both get worse when left out where it's hot for too long.

Suggesting that the Av's trading Mac after a poopty second year would've been a terrible decision, while also mentioning Nylander, is not saying they are the same.

All it is suggesting is that deciding to trade a young player with obvious skill after a poor season, early in their career, is not always a smart thing to do, because sometimes, they improve.
Willy doesn't need to become MacKinnon for us to be happy, there is a huge gap between Nylander this season, and MacKinnon. He doesn't need to become MacKinnon, in order to improve enough.
- Thecakeisalie

*bets they still don't get it*

for Wedgie's realistic view on Nylander
for Sandro's realistic view on Nylander

Nylander has great individual attributes.
he's not a team player.

teams win Stanley Cups, not individual players.

people who cannot understand that, probably have never really been part of a team - either sports or any other profession..
- MaximusAurelius

Examples?

i wasn't counting on you to have any kind of real professional responsibility in life - so i completely understand your 'feedback' on this - you just cannot relate to how things work in the real world
- MaximusAurelius

You hit the irony out of the park here congrats

Good thing no one on here made such a silly comparison.

See, here's a little help for some of the dunderheads on here.
This is sort of like what happened with the whole, "oooh, he's saying Nylander = MacKinnon!"

Let's say I forgot a glass of milk out of the fridge for several hours when it was really hot out, and then tried a sip, and realized it was nasty.

Then a few days later, I had some yogurt, and thought, "gee, I learned my lesson with the milk recently, I better refrigerate this poop until I want to eat it."

That is not me saying milk and yogurt are the same, simply that both get worse when left out where it's hot for too long.

Suggesting that the Av's trading Mac after a poopty second year would've been a terrible decision, while also mentioning Nylander, is not saying they are the same.

All it is suggesting is that deciding to trade a young player with obvious skill after a poor season, early in their career, is not always a smart thing to do, because sometimes, they improve.
Willy doesn't need to become MacKinnon for us to be happy, there is a huge gap between Nylander this season, and MacKinnon. He doesn't need to become MacKinnon, in order to improve enough.
- Thecakeisalie

the 'bad idea to trade MacKinnon' view depends heavily on
1/ what the return would have been
2/ whether the player(s) in return would have made Avs a better team as a whole (better as in more competitive, meaning getting further in playoffs)

same goes for a potential Nylander trade.

a team can trade good players (nobody is denying that Nylander has a specific skill set which has value) - eventually the trade is good/bad depending on the trade, not just on 'how good' player X was - because that last point of view basically translates into 'never trade a 'good' player'.

and that's not even taking into account the reality of capspace.

the 'bad idea to trade MacKinnon' view depends heavily on
1/ what the return would have been
2/ whether the player(s) in return would have made Avs a better team as a whole (better as in more competitive, meaning getting further in playoffs)

same goes for a potential Nylander trade.

a team can trade good players (nobody is denying that Nylander has a specific skill set which has value) - eventually the trade is good/bad depending on the trade, not just on 'how good' player X was - because that last point of view basically translates into 'never trade a 'good' player'.

and that's not even taking into account the reality of capspace.
- MaximusAurelius

Who in this league would you trade mackinnon for right now? Not very many. The point was that he was a 1st overall pick with obvious skills and at the point of the comparison he was hardly a 50 pts player. If you traded him then you were giving him away. He has finally reached his potential, and had he been traded sometime before this breakout the Avs would have gotten pennies on the dollar.

RIP BINGO! We will not miss you.

He’s backtracking. He was accusing you of thinking Nylander would turn out to be as good as MacKinnon.
Anyone who read his retort to your post knows what he meant.
- shack67

Yeah, *I* was the one backtracking...

You don't like anyone questioning any of your precious Leafs players, so why don't you head on over to MapleLeafs Hot Stove if they are still around.

What are you....a Gavriio Princip fan???
- mikeinbuffalo

jackie fisher👍🏿


what a (frank)ing joke 🤦‍♂️

edit: nice alliteration 👍

I thought you were pretty clear.
- GreatGigInTheSky

He was absolutely clear.

But what is wrong with taking his "analogy" and questioning whether it was a good analogy based on the likely difference in impact between the two players?

As soon as I question the analogy, everyone wets their undies around here claiming they didn't compare the two.

Then I get accused of backtracking.

For all you idiots:

a·nal·o·gy
/əˈnaləjē/
noun

a comparison between two things,

Who in this league would you trade mackinnon for right now? Not very many. The point was that he was a 1st overall pick with obvious skills and at the point of the comparison he was hardly a 50 pts player. If you traded him then you were giving him away. He has finally reached his potential, and had he been traded sometime before this breakout the Avs would have gotten pennies on the dollar.
- burn

The only trade suggestion I have seen on this thread was Nylander for Ristolainen and I was throwing it out there for discussion.

You are looking a a D-man, cheaper, with a great deal of potential and only 2 years older.

Even if you don't like the trade, that's fine. It isn't Hall/Larsson

RIP BINGO! We will not miss you.
- AdamFrench

He was absolutely clear.

But what is wrong with taking his "analogy" and questioning whether it was a good analogy based on the likely difference in impact between the two players?

As soon as I question the analogy, everyone wets their undies around here claiming they didn't compare the two.

Then I get accused of backtracking.

For all you idiots:

a·nal·o·gy
/əˈnaləjē/
noun

a comparison between two things,
- Aetherial

He never said the players were the same, he compared the situations.

The only trade suggestion I have seen on this thread was Nylander for Ristolainen and I was throwing it out there for discussion.

You are looking a a D-man, cheaper, with a great deal of potential and only 2 years older.

Even if you don't like the trade, that's fine. It isn't Hall/Larsson
- Aetherial

Ristolienen sucks. Trading something for something you want but it isn't what you want it to be is a mistake.

Let's not trade nylander for the first rhd that comes available. If that guy isn't any good then it's not a good trade.

3 suspensions in 4 calendar years. Better learn his lesson soon.
- PatC80

Truly it is the most annoying situation. He could be such amazing value for the money, but he has really hurt the team with stupid actions the last 2 years.

Truly it is the most annoying situation. He could be such amazing value for the money, but he has really hurt the team with stupid actions the last 2 years.
- Aetherial

I don't see it as annoying, it simply makes to decision to move him much easier. His season was mediocre on many levels. His power play production was terrible he scored only 16 goals . For that production Dubas can find a minimum wage guy like Ennis and probably get a decent return on Kadri before the draft.

He never said the players were the same, he compared the situations.
- burn

Yes, it is the "situation" that is being compared.

The situation, in this case is trading Makinnon early in his career vs. trading Nylander early in his career.

If the "situation" is agnostic with regards to names, then names should not have been used.

I don't see it as annoying, it simply makes to decision to move him much easier. His season was mediocre on many levels. His power play production was terrible he scored only 16 goals . For that production Dubas can find a minimum wage guy like Ennis and probably get a decent return on Kadri before the draft.
- winsix

I am not necessarily opposed to that, but there has to be value in that trade and I think that isn't the only thing that has to happen, cap-wise.

Yes, and the "situation" that is being compared.

The situation, in this case is trading Makinnon early in his career vs. trading Nylander early in his career.

If the "situation" is agnostic with regards to names, then names should not have been used.
- Aetherial

leafs shouldn't have traded morgan klimchuk since he wasn't up to his max trade value..

Oh good, you guys are still talking about Nylander. I'll check in later tonight.

Yes, and the "situation" that is being compared.

The situation, in this case is trading Makinnon early in his career vs. trading Nylander early in his career.

If the "situation" is agnostic with regards to names, then names should not have been used.
- Aetherial

Using the names to compare the situations doesn't mean that the poster thinks the names are equal. He made it obvious.

You can compare the situations without comparing the players. If someone mistakes that comparison for something it isn't that isn't the posters fault, that's on the one who made the mistake. Especially when it was so obvious what the comparison was.

1. No it's not. People with at least a single brain cell understood that he wasn't saying nylander is equal to mackinnon. If someone mentions 2 things in the same sentence and literally makes comparisons between "the situations" then it should be pretty straight forward what is being compared.

2. So as long as we get someone the right age or a rhd that's all that matters or cheaper it's a good trade? Ummm what if we look for someone at least his equal in terms of value if you're gonna trade him? Litterally the 3 things you mentioned (only need one, but hopefully all 3 ) isn't even the most important thing to consider.


- burn

The "situation" you refer to is trading Nylander early in his career VS. trading Mackinnon early in his career.

If that somehow isn't the situation, then why were the names used?

Thank you for proving my point.

MVP last year, then 4th line production this season

=meaningless
- Aetherial

MVP was 2 years ago I think, not that it matters. 🤷🏻‍♂️