Please explain how?
- PatC80

Everyone knows they need cap space badly. Everyone knows they have a poopty d. The trade chips that everyone keeps talking about have lowered their value. They still have a bunch of RFAs unsigned right now.

Dude. You said that the problem for Nylander was that he played with bottom six players, but then said Brown only scores when he's playing with Matthews. Think Mcfly, think. lol
- aminnes

Perhaps, I typed to fast earlier.. I should apologize for that.

In 2016 when Brown played with Matthews, he scored 20 goals.

Since then, he's become a bottom 6 player, which is his rightful place on the team. Looking at the team as constructed this season.. Brown and Marleau (only after the mid point of the season for Marleau) were bottom six wingers..

Stop comparing something that happened 3 years ago to today.

Leafs have 10 million in cap space after the cap goes up, they also have Horton they can put on LTIR so just relax.
- bobbyisno1

So not a lot of money.
Marner 9 - 10.5
Kap 2.5 - 3.5
AJ -2 -3
Thats a minimum of 13.5
And they need 3 Dmen

See 2005-2016.
- AdamFrench

Maybe if Dubas some how out JFJ's himself?

Maybe if Dubas some how out JFJ's himself?
- PatC80

Perhaps, I typed to fast earlier.. I should apologize for that.

In 2016 when Brown played with Matthews, he scored 20 goals.

Since then, he's become a bottom 6 player, which is his rightful place on the team. Looking at the team as constructed this season.. Brown and Marleau (only after the mid point of the season for Marleau) were bottom six wingers..

Stop comparing something that happened 3 years ago to today.
- PatC80

Your saying that Brown can't score without good players, and also saying Nylander scores when he plays with good players, like you said in the Worlds. If Nylander needs good players around him to score, how is he different?

So not a lot of money.
Marner 9 - 10.5
Kap 2.5 - 3.5
AJ -2 -3
Thats a minimum of 13.5
And they need 3 Dmen
- Fakepartofme

And a few other spots to fill as well. And buddy is right, LTIR only kicks in game 1, so it counts until then.

Me too.. I'm excited to see how a team like the Leafs with all their financial muscle, are in a position of weakness
- PatC80

Please refer to the past decade.

So not a lot of money.
Marner 9 - 10.5
Kap 2.5 - 3.5
AJ -2 -3
Thats a minimum of 13.5
And they need 3 Dmen
- Fakepartofme

I would also suggest all three of them will not settle for those numbers.

So not a lot of money.
Marner 9 - 10.5
Kap 2.5 - 3.5
AJ -2 -3
Thats a minimum of 13.5
And they need 3 Dmen
- Fakepartofme

One of Johnsson or Kap is likely gone. That seems most realistic, one of those two and Connor Brown.

Meh not ideal 'dealing from weakness' but pretty manageable hit to the roster.

Everyone knows they need cap space badly. Everyone knows they have a poopty d. The trade chips that everyone keeps talking about have lowered their value. They still have a bunch of RFAs unsigned right now.
- aminnes

How does everyone know?

The D will be better. A full season of Muzzin, less Gardiner apple turnovers, Sandin and Liljegren both look really good. It can and will improve.

The trade chips have no value really? You really think Kadri and a 22 year old top line winger have little trade value?

They have 3 RFA's of value (Marner, Johnsson, Kap).

Anyone calling for Kadri to be traded is not thinking things through.

He is a Leafs draft pick, he's from the area, he's been brought up through the system and his cap hit is ridiculously low for what he brings. Finally, he's one of the ONLY players we have with balls....he just needs to use them a bit differently.

I think the problem with Kadri is that he IS the ONLY player that plays with edge so its sooo obvious and out in the open when he does. If he was surrounded by a few other players that play with edge the focus wouldn't be just on him. I.e.: Chara, Marchand, DeBrusk, McAvoy.....((frank) you Boston!)

I would rather trade Nylander than Kadri, and I'm a huge fan and would hate to lose Wille. Kadri is a better 3rd C IMO.

-Nylander + (maybe Brown or Zaitsev and a pick) for Parakyo,
-sign Johnson and Kap
-bring up the best out of the gritty (frank)ers from the Marlies.

Hyman, Tavares, Marner
Kap, Matthews, Bracco
Johnson, Kadri, Marleau
Marchment, Goat, Moore

Rielly, Parayko
Muzzin, Dermott (when ready)
Sandin, Hainsey (for one more year then next season Liljigren moves in and Sandin up, especially if we can't afford to re sign Muzz)

Andersen
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Plan the Parade

Edit: Nice alliteration or something???
- Barb34

Nylander will get the Leafs something, but definitely not Parayko especially if you're trying to dump salary with him.

Your saying that Brown can't score without good players, and also saying Nylander scores when he plays with good players, like you said in the Worlds. If Nylander needs good players around him to score, how is he different?
- aminnes

You mean aside from the obvious, that Nylander is simply a better player than Brown?

Perhaps, I typed to fast earlier.. I should apologize for that.

In 2016 when Brown played with Matthews, he scored 20 goals.

Since then, he's become a bottom 6 player, which is his rightful place on the team. Looking at the team as constructed this season.. Brown and Marleau (only after the mid point of the season for Marleau) were bottom six wingers..

Stop comparing something that happened 3 years ago to today.
- PatC80

I dont believe brown played the whole season with matthews.
He only scored 6 goals with matthews.
7 goals with kadri and komorov
3 with bozie and jvr
1 on the 4th line
2 on pp
1 on pk.
So stop saying he scored 20 with matthews. Cause its not true

How does everyone know?

The D will be better. A full season of Muzzin, less Gardiner apple turnovers, Sandin and Liljegren both look really good. It can and will improve.

The trade chips have no value really? You really think Kadri and a 22 year old top line winger have little trade value?

They have 3 RFA's of value (Marner, Johnsson, Kap).
- PatC80

in 62 games, Gardiner while on the ice had a goal differential of 59-37 (61%) at 5v5

so, I dont see how him leaving is going to help things

How does everyone know?

The D will be better. A full season of Muzzin, less Gardiner apple turnovers, Sandin and Liljegren both look really good. It can and will improve.

The trade chips have no value really? You really think Kadri and a 22 year old top line winger have little trade value?

They have 3 RFA's of value (Marner, Johnsson, Kap).
- PatC80

I never said they will have NO VALUE. I said their value has diminished. And it has. Nylander's, Kadri's, Browns. Basically everybody anyone suggests to trade has lowered their value. They haven't signed their RFAs. If that drags on it will make making deals extremely difficult, hence a position of weakness. And I know everyone thinks 2 or 3 rookie d men stepping in is going to improve the d, but that flies in the face of history. D men always take longer to develop, just like forwards take longer to develop defensively. The idea that Sandin is going to come in and be better than what they've had is unfounded and based purely on blind hope. If he is serviceable that would be great at his age.

in 62 games, Gardiner while on the ice had a goal differential of 59-37 (61%) at 5v5

so, I dont see how him leaving is going to help things
- senstroll

The hope is that with Gardiner not being here, it should likely lead to less turnovers by Gardiner in the Leafs zone.

Hainsey is coming back on a one year low cap deal right?

in 62 games, Gardiner while on the ice had a goal differential of 59-37 (61%) at 5v5

so, I dont see how him leaving is going to help things
- senstroll

Especially because he'll probably be replaced with a rookie from the AHL.

Odds of improvement are slim to none.

You mean aside from the obvious, that Nylander is simply a better player than Brown?
- PatC80

I'm saying you are saying Nylander needs to to play with better players to score. Just like Brown. You were praising Nylander and criticizing Brown for the exact same reasons. Contradictory.

I agree that Kadri will be on the out, but his suspensions carries a risk. A team will likely give what for him? A 4th? From what I've seen with the Hawks is that teams aren't excited to help a team clear cap. Trades are always one-sided with little return.

It will be a Leafs Fire Sale in about 6-7 weeks.
- RedRevenge

On what planet is a 50 point center worth a 4th?

Did the fire sale start in TO?

Did the fire sale start in TO?
- Symba007

Tavares for Kotkaniemi and a 1st

Did the fire sale start in TO?
- Symba007

I've been told 50 point centers are worth a 4th....we will trade you a 4th for daneault.

Did the fire sale start in TO?
- Symba007

soon, since the Leafs are the only team in the NHL with cap issues to work through