It can happen in Boston because they actually know how to play defense, with a good system.

Babcock's system is just blast out stretch passes and hope they don't get picked off.
- JohnFergusonJr

So you're going to chalk up their success to a system. Ok.

Carlo schlepped around Krug as his primary partner and had less GA/60 than any other defenseman in the league that played over 1,000 minutes...I guess we can just grab any old defenseman to do that.

- Scabeh

Gardiner will do well next to Weber next season. As long as Weber doesn't move from the front of his own goal, he'll always been in a good position to defend. Which is perfect, because it's hard to push a wheelchair up ice.

So you're going to chalk up their success to a system. Ok.

Carlo schlepped around Krug as his primary partner and had less GA/60 than any other defenseman in the league that played over 1,000 minutes...I guess we can just grab any old defenseman to do that.
- RickJames77

To bad the Leafs can't. Maybe if we had Cassidy as our coach, or maybe if we were the 2011 Bruins...

Gardiner will do well next to Weber next season. As long as Weber doesn't move from the front of his own goal, he'll always been in a good position to defend. Which is perfect, because it's hard to push a wheelchair up ice.
- PatC80

It's happening isn't it?

God dammit.

What about we trade Babcock, Dubas and Shanahan for Cassidy, Sweeney and Neely?

We'd for sure win, and our defense would be great.. So, great.. Even with Marincin.

RJ, do we have a deal?

So you're going to chalk up their success to a system. Ok.

Carlo schlepped around Krug as his primary partner and had less GA/60 than any other defenseman in the league that played over 1,000 minutes...I guess we can just grab any old defenseman to do that.
- RickJames77

It's a fair combination of both. Carlo also isn't in the same boat as Sandin given Carlo had previously played 60-70 games in a season on North American ice. Leafs have seen guys like Borgman and Ozhiganov come over from Europe and only last half a season. It's not just a matter of talent, it's a matter of being up to the task of playing a full NHL season.

It's happening isn't it?

God dammit.
- Scabeh

Yeah, but don't worry.. We are only getting a 4th rd pick for Kadri..

To bad the Leafs can't. Maybe if we had Cassidy as our coach, or maybe if we were the 2011 Bruins...
- PatC80

It's ridiculous. Some players are better than their draft position. It happens. I'm not even saying it has with Sandin (haven't seen enough), but have heard good things.

I guess we have a great offensive system as well. poopty ass #25 pick David Pasrtrnak wouldn't be jack without it.

It's ridiculous. Some players are better than their draft position. It happens. I'm not even saying it has with Sandin (haven't seen enough), but have heard good things.

I guess we have a great offensive system as well. poopty ass #25 pick David Pasrtrnak wouldn't be jack without it.
- RickJames77

I know, you guys could have totally franked over the Habs if you drafted Nikita Scherbak instead.. He'd be a perennial 90 point guy on the Bruins and the Habs would have been stuck with that poopty Pastrnak.

It's a fair combination of both. Carlo also isn't in the same boat as Sandin given Carlo had previously played 60-70 games in a season on North American ice. Leafs have seen guys like Borgman and Ozhiganov come over from Europe and only last half a season. It's not just a matter of talent, it's a matter of being up to the task of playing a full NHL season.
- JohnFergusonJr

Do we have a good system, yeah. Are you severely underrating McAvoy and Carlo's ability? 100%.

They are not a byproduct of a system. Are some of their numbers improved due to a system? Possibly to a degree, but in no way is it a fair combo of both. The system we play requires skill - especially IQ. They pass off attackers seamlessly from forwards to defenseman, to other defenseman, and back to forwards. It's very hard to do and was their main focus in camp, preseason, and early in the regular season. It's part of the reason we struggled as much as we did in the early going IMO.

I know, you guys could have totally franked over the Habs if you drafted Nikita Scherbak instead.. He'd be a perennial 90 point guy on the Bruins and the Habs would have been stuck with that poopty Pastrnak.
- PatC80

Yeah... haha.... totally....

Do we have a good system, yeah. Are you severely underrating McAvoy and Carlo's ability? 100%.

They are not a byproduct of a system. Are some of their numbers improved due to a system? Possibly to a degree, but in no way is it a fair combo of both. The system we play requires skill - especially IQ. They pass off attackers seamlessly from forwards to defenseman, to other defenseman, and back to forwards. It's very hard to do and was their main focus in camp, preseason, and early in the regular season. It's part of the reason we struggled as much as we did in the early going IMO.
- RickJames77

Isn't it obvious? McAvoy and Carlo would suck if they were on the Leafs

Yeah... haha.... totally....


- Scabeh

Yeah... haha.... totally....


- Scabeh

Going back and looking at what could have been from drafts past is a recipe for a bad day. I swear to god the Bruins didn't have a scouting team from the early 90s to mid 00s

Taped a central scouting report to the wall and threw darts.

Going back and looking at what could have been from drafts past is a recipe for a bad day. I swear to god the Bruins didn't have a scouting team from the early 90s to mid 00s
- RickJames77

Almost as bad as the Leafs.. We didn't have any scouts between 1986 - 2014

Do we have a good system, yeah. Are you severely underrating McAvoy and Carlo's ability? 100%.

They are not a byproduct of a system. Are some of their numbers improved due to a system? Possibly to a degree, but in no way is it a fair combo of both. The system we play requires skill - especially IQ. They pass off attackers seamlessly from forwards to defenseman, to other defenseman, and back to forwards. It's very hard to do and was their main focus in camp, preseason, and early in the regular season. It's part of the reason we struggled as much as we did in the early going IMO.
- RickJames77

No, I'm not. I said it's a fair combination, not an equal combination.

We're also talking about two guys that grew up playing in North America, unlike Sandin, who hasn't. There's a level of adjustment. And also doesn't have the physical attributes that allows a guy like Carlo to play in the NHL earlier than usual.

No, I'm not. I said it's a fair combination, not an equal combination.

We're also talking about two guys that grew up playing in North America, unlike Sandin, who hasn't. There's a level of adjustment. And also doesn't have the physical attributes that allows a guy like Carlo to play in the NHL earlier than usual.
- JohnFergusonJr

Serious question, what part of Sweden is Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario in?

Serious question, what part of Sweden is Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario in?
- PatC80

One 51 game season versus 10+

There's nothing wrong with Sandin as a prospect. He's going to be good. But the idea that he's going to step in and replace Gardiner so quickly is being overly optimistic.

One 51 game season versus 10+
- JohnFergusonJr

51 games in the Ontario Hockey League.
44 games with the Toronto Marlies.

Serious question, what part of Sweden is Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario in?
- PatC80

LMAO - totally misread what you wrote

One 51 game season versus 10+

There's nothing wrong with Sandin as a prospect. He's going to be good. But the idea that he's going to step in and replace Gardiner so quickly is being overly optimistic.
- JohnFergusonJr

Please take a look at college hockey schedules in the US. It's not 82 games either

Oman?
- RickJames77

Oh man, is right

Oh man, is right
- PatC80

I misread what you wrote and it still seemed to work

I misread what you wrote and it still seemed to work
- RickJames77

51 games in the Ontario Hockey League.
44 games with the Toronto Marlies.
- PatC80

Don’t bother wasting your time with him.

It’s getting sad reading him talk in circles.