So last July we traded in a Ram1500 for a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. I was driving the Ram as a primary vehicle doing roughly 10-12K driving a year. We also have a 2015 Hyundai Elantra that the wife was driving. She drives roughly 22k a year.

I traded it in and switched cars with the wife, suggesting we buy another vehicle in a year. So far we've saved over $600 month in fuel, including what we pay for electricity. Driving habits matter though and most of her mileage is in the city.

The Sienna is on order with a reported mileage of 6.6L/100km mixed driving which is even less than the Elantra. Unfortunately , the Mitsubishi isn't really big enough for the whole family to go on a vacation in although it's great for local driving.

What makes us laugh is that the fuel savings on the 2 vehicles is pretty much enough to pay for 1 of them.
- golfingsince

You forgot to add in higher maintenance costs long-term for electrics plus replacing your batteries (if needed) outside of warranty. Bottom line is they are getting better but battery replacement fees and maintenance costs are still out of control high. One of the reasons we did not switch to Electric machines for the Arenas when I was in recreation. The cost to benefit ratio just isn't there yet. But someday it will be as Natural Gas products for machines and parts are going by the wayside.

In Alberta I'm at around 400-500$ in gas fees right now per month which is manageable for what I do. To go electric here and to be able to handle this climate in AB would cost in the neighbourhood of $70,000-80,000 for a decent electric and most people here are ditching their electrics and going back to gas because again...the cost to benefit ration just isn't there yet. For Alberta anyways. I'm sure in BC lower mainland the commuter trends are much different and electric make sense for some folks...but not here in AB with this weather for the most part IMO.

You forgot to add in higher maintenance costs long-term for electrics plus replacing your batteries (if needed) outside of warranty. Bottom line is they are getting better but battery replacement fees and maintenance costs are still out of control high. One of the reasons we did not switch to Electric machines for the Arenas when I was in recreation. The cost to benefit ratio just isn't there yet. But someday it will be as Natural Gas products for machines and parts are going by the wayside.

In Alberta I'm at around 400-500$ in gas fees right now per month which is manageable for what I do. To go electric here and to be able to handle this climate in AB would cost in the neighbourhood of $70,000-80,000 for a decent electric and most people here are ditching their electrics and going back to gas because again...the cost to benefit ration just isn't there yet. For Alberta anyways. I'm sure in BC lower mainland the commuter trends are much different and electric make sense for some folks...but not here in AB with this weather for the most part IMO.
- LordHumungous

The bolded is bs, maintenanance costs are lower.

Also, our care was $60K but qualified for subsidies bringing it down to 51K. The battery has a 200k warranty, actually the whole car does.

The price of fuel here is higher, but not as high as it would be if it all came from Alberta. Irving brings some in from Saudi Arabia.

The bolded is bs, maintenanance costs are lower.

Also, our care was $60K but qualified for subsidies bringing it down to 51K. The battery has a 200k warranty, actually the whole car does.

The price of fuel here is higher, but not as high as it would be if it all came from Alberta. Irving brings some in from Saudi Arabia.
- golfingsince

Not according the the folks I know here in AB that have had to go back to gas vehicles because of cost and not being able to handle the cold climates in AB. Try driving your electric in -20-30c for four months of the year and get back to me lol.

Not according the the folks I know here in AB that have had to go back to gas vehicles because of cost and not being able to handle the cold climates in AB. Try driving your electric in -20-30c for four months of the year and get back to me lol.
- LordHumungous

As mentioned, mine is a PHEV. That's plug in hybrid.

A co-worker of mine that lives up north also owns one where the temperatures regularly get to -30C and he has had no issues.

I have no narrative, I've been honest about my political affiliation. I'm a conservative. My problem is MAGA types like yourself are not conservative. You fire out these statements as "fact" yet you people never take the time to really dig into the problems. Ya'll think it's the fault of one person and that's so narrowminded.

Ok, let's break this down one paragraph at a time.

Inflation. Take a look at this MacroTrend site. It does show inflation has increased but it's in-line with any Western country like UK as an example. If this was a Trudeau or Biden problem then it would be exclusive to Canada and the US. But it's not. Inflation is a global issue, not national. But interesting enough, Alberta has the highest inflation rate amongst all provinces due to natural gas prices rising by 15.1 per cent year-over-year. That's probably why you are more aggravated by it. Your province has done a terrible job of managing its economy. You should have a conversation with your premier.

Canada:
https://www.macrotrends.n...canada/inflation-rate-cpi

UK:
https://www.macrotrends.n...ingdom/inflation-rate-cpi

Rent and housing costs have doubled. Housing costs have exponentially increased. No doubt. But there are many causes beyond Trudeau’s control. Provinces and cities (responsible for land-use planning, zoning and permitting) bear most of the blame, as do real estate investors, foreign buyers, years of rock-bottom interest rates, greed, etc. etc. The only thing that the Feds have done to increase the cost of housing and rent is their ambitious immigration targets, which have outpaced home building.

Climate. Taxing pollution is a great way to reduce pollution. But I agree with you that the way this government is going about it is all wrong. My issue with the carbon tax is that it's not being used to fight pollution. The funds generated by the tax is going into the government's general revenue. Plus GST is being applied to the tax so once again its tax on tax. That's not the purpose of the tax. It infuriates me. 100% that's on Justin.

So be infuriated, I am too. But I'm not so narrowminded to think an idiot like Justin has the ability to signle-handedly "destroy" Canada is childish and stupid and really doesn't help fix any of these problems. You're just looking for a scapegoat.
- bloatedmosquito

Very well written and substantiated post. I would like to point out, as Marwood noted, it’s been completely skipped over and ignored by Lord Mangina himself

Very well written and substantiated post. I would like to point out, as Marwood noted, it’s been completely skipped over and ignored by Lord Mangina himself
- NewYorkNuck

As mentioned, mine is a PHEV. That's plug in hybrid.

A co-worker of mine that lives up north also owns one where the temperatures regularly get to -30C and he has had no issues.
- golfingsince

Well that's the first I have heard of that lol. Bottom line is anyone can read and quote the sales brochures for EV's but for right now in 6 months of extreme cold plus to maintain in these climates they just aren't cost-effective. That may change with improvements but there is also a reason the top 5 auto manufacturers are scaling back all their EV dept's:

'Ford's electric vehicle arm just admitted to 1.3 billion in losses in the first quarter of 2024 alone. That's a projected loss of $132,000 for every EV sold'.

Folks are waking up and just can't afford what EV's provide. Regardless of what folks believe to be the 'climate narratives' or not .

Very well written and substantiated post. I would like to point out, as Marwood noted, it’s been completely skipped over and ignored by Lord Mangina himself
- NewYorkNuck

Hahaha what BS. I provided the facts on inflation bloated's BS on 'macro trends' lol is utter horse!!sh!t from what we've witnessed the past 4 years. Not inlcuding 2018-2019 pre covid scam we have seen almost 4% in 2020, 6.8% in 2021 and another 6.7% for 2022 plus another 7% for 2023. 2024 remains to be seen but a 'macro' projection on 2024? Give me a break lol Like I said over 20 years of inflation in less than 4 years. If you can't see it in everyday prices you are a complete clown.

Bloated just posts bulls!t to satisfy his narratives. My buddy in Calgary went from $1200 rent to $2400 in the past three years averages across the city are massively up which is also a direct correlation to housing costs. Houses that were $320,000 not 4 years ago are selling here for almost 600K. Can't even imagine what it's like in TO or Van.

And the climate bullsh!t speaks for itself. 'prices on pollution' have shown no improvements/impact whatsoever. 440 billion is made on 'climate' tax incentives every calendar year and where does that money go? Who is accountable but the UN sure love that profit margin lol. Canada hasn't hit one climate target in 8 years this is fact all the while the US Russia China and India all get free passes on pollution. Remarkable how indoctrinated you are dude. You neo-lefties sure crack me up so a big 'thanks Yorkie' for being so fucking dense lol.

Hahaha what BS. I provided the facts on inflation bloated's BS on 'macro trends' lol is utter horse!!sh!t from what we've witnessed the past 4 years. Not inlcuding 2018-2019 pre covid scam we have seen almost 4% in 2020, 6.8% in 2021 and another 6.7% for 2022 plus another 7% for 2023. 2024 remains to be seen but a 'macro' projection on 2024? Give me a break lol Like I said over 20 years of inflation in less than 4 years. If you can't see it in everyday prices you are a complete clown.

Bloated just posts bulls!t to satisfy his narratives. My buddy in Calgary went from $1200 rent to $2400 in the past three years averages across the city are massively up which is also a direct correlation to housing costs. Houses that were $320,000 not 4 years ago are selling here for almost 600K. Can't even imagine what it's like in TO or Van.

And the climate bullsh!t speaks for itself. 'prices on pollution' have shown no improvements/impact whatsoever. 440 billion is made on 'climate' tax incentives every calendar year and where does that money go? Who is accountable but the UN sure love that profit margin lol. Canada hasn't hit one climate target in 8 years this is fact all the while the US Russia China and India all get free passes on pollution. Remarkable how indoctrinated you are dude. You neo-lefties sure crack me up so a big 'thanks Yorkie' for being so fucking dense lol.
- LordHumungous

Do you prefer going by Lord Micro Penis or Lord Mangina?

Do you prefer going by Lord Micro Penis or Lord Mangina?
- Marwood

Why the name-calling little champion? Please give us your thoughts on Inflation, Housing and climate oh wait you can't are you reading to kids at the local library today??

Hahaha what BS. I provided the facts on inflation bloated's BS on 'macro trends' lol is utter horse!!sh!t from what we've witnessed the past 4 years. Not inlcuding 2018-2019 pre covid scam we have seen almost 4% in 2020, 6.8% in 2021 and another 6.7% for 2022 plus another 7% for 2023. 2024 remains to be seen but a 'macro' projection on 2024? Give me a break lol Like I said over 20 years of inflation in less than 4 years. If you can't see it in everyday prices you are a complete clown.

Bloated just posts bulls!t to satisfy his narratives. My buddy in Calgary went from $1200 rent to $2400 in the past three years averages across the city are massively up which is also a direct correlation to housing costs. Houses that were $320,000 not 4 years ago are selling here for almost 600K. Can't even imagine what it's like in TO or Van.

And the climate bullsh!t speaks for itself. 'prices on pollution' have shown no improvements/impact whatsoever. 440 billion is made on 'climate' tax incentives every calendar year and where does that money go? Who is accountable but the UN sure love that profit margin lol. Canada hasn't hit one climate target in 8 years this is fact all the while the US Russia China and India all get free passes on pollution. Remarkable how indoctrinated you are dude. You neo-lefties sure crack me up so a big 'thanks Yorkie' for being so fucking dense lol.
- LordHumungous

If only Alberta had rent control like pretty much every other province.

Alberta

https://globalnews.ca/new...u-IID&utm_content=rundown

Alberta

https://globalnews.ca/new...u-IID&utm_content=rundown
- bloatedmosquito

15 years?

That was swine flu year wasn't it?

John Ivison: The decline and fall of Canada
A state's citizens must have the will for it to exist in the world. Has there been any moment in Canada’s history when that will has been weaker?

Poll after poll suggests Canadians are bearing witness to their relative decline.
In a Postmedia-Leger survey released last month, 70 per cent of respondents agreed with the statement that “Canada is broken.”

An Environics poll last year said 58 per cent of Canadians are dissatisfied with the direction of the country, with discontent across all regions and all age groups.

An Angus Reid Institute survey on life satisfaction in 2023 said 51 per cent of respondents were dissatisfied or very dissatisfied with life in general. Not surprisingly younger, poorer and visible minority Canadians were the least satisfied.

Pride in being Canadian is falling in some regions and age-groups, compared to five years ago — particularly in Western Canada and among millennials. When the majority of citizens don’t believe the status quo is working for them, it produces demands for alternative arrangements.

Alberta’s government seems intent on de facto separation, pushing back on federal legislation and regulations through its Sovereignty Act; musing about creating a provincial police force and tax collection agency; and proposing to opt out of the Canada Pension Plan. Saskatchewan is already refusing to collect the carbon tax, as a challenge to federal authority.

In Quebec, Parti Québécois leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon would likely head up a majority separatist government if an election were held tomorrow. He has pledged that the province will hold a third independence referendum, should his party take power. He calls Ottawa “an existential threat” and said Canada is no longer a federation “but an increasingly unitary state, where (Quebec’s) political weight will be less than one-fifth.”

As prime minister for the past eight-and-a-half years, much of the blame for this diminishment of national pride rests with Justin Trudeau. His activist agenda aims to impose more egalitarian outcomes by government fiat — and to condemn those who don’t buy into the vision as being uninformed, irresponsible or motivated by ulterior purpose. Arguably, it is the reason why his Liberal party is trailing by 20 points in most polls.

Albertans and Quebecers share a common resentment about federal intrusion into areas that are clearly provincial jurisdiction. As André Pratte pointed out, the new renters’ bill of rights interferes with the Civil Code of Quebec, which has been recognized as the province’s civil law since 1774. Such “arrogance” provides fuel for the province’s resurging separatist movement, Pratte argued. Trudeau promised to be the great unifier after the Harper years but it has not worked out like that. The increase in the capital gains inclusion rate in this month’s budget was the latest example of the baked-in hostility toward anyone deemed “wealthy” or “privileged.”

Trudeau has repeatedly engaged in wedge politics for partisan advantage, rather than trying to bridge the divides. His likely successor, Pierre Poilievre, has the advantage of not being Trudeau, which, along with promising to make life a little bit easier, is all he needs to be right now. But he has his own track record of stoking divisions for political gain: expressing his animus towards the media, courts, the central bank and all “experts” and fixating on urgent trivia, while promising to solve complex problems with simple solutions.

...The lesson of history is that no state has a divine right to prosper. Its citizens must have the will for it to exist in the world. Has there been any moment in Canada’s history when that will has been weaker?

The National Post…

John Ivison: The decline and fall of Canada
A state's citizens must have the will for it to exist in the world. Has there been any moment in Canada’s history when that will has been weaker?

Poll after poll suggests Canadians are bearing witness to their relative decline.
In a Postmedia-Leger survey released last month, 70 per cent of respondents agreed with the statement that “Canada is broken.”

An Environics poll last year said 58 per cent of Canadians are dissatisfied with the direction of the country, with discontent across all regions and all age groups.

An Angus Reid Institute survey on life satisfaction in 2023 said 51 per cent of respondents were dissatisfied or very dissatisfied with life in general. Not surprisingly younger, poorer and visible minority Canadians were the least satisfied.

Pride in being Canadian is falling in some regions and age-groups, compared to five years ago — particularly in Western Canada and among millennials. When the majority of citizens don’t believe the status quo is working for them, it produces demands for alternative arrangements.

Alberta’s government seems intent on de facto separation, pushing back on federal legislation and regulations through its Sovereignty Act; musing about creating a provincial police force and tax collection agency; and proposing to opt out of the Canada Pension Plan. Saskatchewan is already refusing to collect the carbon tax, as a challenge to federal authority.

In Quebec, Parti Québécois leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon would likely head up a majority separatist government if an election were held tomorrow. He has pledged that the province will hold a third independence referendum, should his party take power. He calls Ottawa “an existential threat” and said Canada is no longer a federation “but an increasingly unitary state, where (Quebec’s) political weight will be less than one-fifth.”

As prime minister for the past eight-and-a-half years, much of the blame for this diminishment of national pride rests with Justin Trudeau. His activist agenda aims to impose more egalitarian outcomes by government fiat — and to condemn those who don’t buy into the vision as being uninformed, irresponsible or motivated by ulterior purpose. Arguably, it is the reason why his Liberal party is trailing by 20 points in most polls.

Albertans and Quebecers share a common resentment about federal intrusion into areas that are clearly provincial jurisdiction. As André Pratte pointed out, the new renters’ bill of rights interferes with the Civil Code of Quebec, which has been recognized as the province’s civil law since 1774. Such “arrogance” provides fuel for the province’s resurging separatist movement, Pratte argued. Trudeau promised to be the great unifier after the Harper years but it has not worked out like that. The increase in the capital gains inclusion rate in this month’s budget was the latest example of the baked-in hostility toward anyone deemed “wealthy” or “privileged.”

Trudeau has repeatedly engaged in wedge politics for partisan advantage, rather than trying to bridge the divides. His likely successor, Pierre Poilievre, has the advantage of not being Trudeau, which, along with promising to make life a little bit easier, is all he needs to be right now. But he has his own track record of stoking divisions for political gain: expressing his animus towards the media, courts, the central bank and all “experts” and fixating on urgent trivia, while promising to solve complex problems with simple solutions.

...The lesson of history is that no state has a divine right to prosper. Its citizens must have the will for it to exist in the world. Has there been any moment in Canada’s history when that will has been weaker?

The National Post…
- Pacificgem

...and none of this will change after Poo Lever is elected. This has taken over 30-40 years to manifest with both the Liberals and Reform/Alliance running the country, to favour their friends and peers. Most MP's run for office in order to get that lottery winning pension while they inflate their ego.
Go Canucks!!

Alberta

https://globalnews.ca/new...u-IID&utm_content=rundown
- bloatedmosquito

I hope the election is lost by 167 votes

...and none of this will change after Poo Lever is elected. This has taken over 30-40 years to manifest with both the Liberals and Reform/Alliance running the country, to favour their friends and peers. Most MP's run for office in order to get that lottery winning pension while they inflate their ego.
Go Canucks!!
- Marwood

I think both the United States and Canada are far too big and diverse in modern times to support being "one country"....it's time to break things up.

I think both the United States and Canada are far too big and diverse in modern times to support being "one country"....it's time to break things up.
- Pacificgem

https://time.com/6972021/...-2024-election-interview/

https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/
- Marwood

Listened to the Daily episode about the same thing today: https://www.nytimes.com/2...ond-trump-presidency.html

- LordHumungous

The giant pussy speaks. Sort of.

Hey Bloated, just in time for summer.

https://x.com/palmbayspri...tatus/1536732730628550656

Hey Bloated, just in time for summer.

https://x.com/palmbayspri...tatus/1536732730628550656
- 1970vintage

That looks so very refreshing, but I'm concerned the calorie count might be a bit high.

That looks so very refreshing, but I'm concerned the calorie count might be a bit high.
- bloatedmosquito

I see the ei stats you posted in Oilers thread were a bit confusing for some, as that one person looks at Quebec numbers and thinks it is really high, obviously not bright enough to figure out that Quebec population is more than twice that of Alberta