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Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Sep 4 @ 11:11 AM ET
That report is 6 years old!

Why are you comparing the two systems, apples & oranges, neither is like the other. In recent years I’ve personally found the US healthcare system much much better in terms of access and care. The Canadian government healthcare systems across the country is a broken mess. So many horror stories. You can thank the BC NDP and federal Liberals for that in British Columbia.

- Pacificgem


You’re so dumb it’s hard to try and have an intelligent conversation with you. I get it, you’re just an engineer, but holy. []
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 4 @ 11:39 AM ET
You’re so dumb it’s hard to try and have an intelligent conversation with you. I get it, you’re just an engineer, but holy.
- Reubenkincade[]



Look at 2024 reports, Canada isn’t even in the top 30 anymore, the past decade the system has seriously eroded. I’ll link it below. The Canadian healthcare system is a dying mess, for a lot of reasons. But it still has its strength and weaknesses. It’s never as black and white as you portray it, as you do with most things, which speaks to your lack of intelligence and understanding of the broader picture, they are two completely different systems….US vs Canada.

The US has a healthcare business, not a healthcare system. Despite spending (I think) the largest portion of their GDP on healthcare, when compared to other nations healthcare spending, the US lacks in rankings due in large part because that money doesn’t go towards patient care, it goes towards hospitals, healthcare workers and research. If you’re in the healthcare business, a doctor, you’ll make the most money in the US.

There’s a lot of subjective opinions, even from healthcare workers themselves, as there’s patient care and healthcare provider experience. Access vs cost. Taxation. Cost of medicine. Etc. There are countries which are great for healthcare workers but not patients (United States), it’s a cost prohibitive private business, even though it’s subsidized by the federal and state governments. It’s actually illegal for hospitals to not provide care in emergency situations.

Achieving a good balance of healthcare worker & patient care is a difficult thing, so I’m told. It’s funny, this is something that’s debated in our family on a regular basis, my father-in-law is a retired GP, my mother-in-law was a nurse, my brother-in-law is a surgeon and my older brother is an anesthesiologist.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 4 @ 11:49 AM ET
You’ll probably find reports that still say Canada has a great healthcare system in theory, but those of us who experience the system know that’s not true. It’s far from horrible, but it’s also declining rapidly.

https://worldpopulationre...t-healthcare-in-the-world

https://www.statista.com/...g-of-countries-worldwide/

https://www.statista.com/...g-of-countries-worldwide/
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Sep 4 @ 12:34 PM ET
You’ll probably find reports that still says Canada has a great healthcare system in theory, but those of us who experience the system know that’s not true. It’s far from horrible, but it’s also declining rapidly.

https://worldpopulationre...t-healthcare-in-the-world

https://www.statista.com/...g-of-countries-worldwide/

https://www.statista.com/...g-of-countries-worldwide/

- Pacificgem


I don't disagree with you on the declining Healthcare system here in Canada. Doctors and Nurses and lab people, etc. have been raising concerns about the lack of people coming into the health profession, for at least 20 years now, which get ignored by many different governments.
The continued lack of I vestments in technology upgrades and new hospitals has also been a big problem here, as you know.
This is a very Similar problem to what has gone on with trades in this country, which has been an issue since the 1990 or longer.
Our generation has to take some responsibility for this problem, as many of us encouraged our kids to get into co l lege for things other than healthcare, trades and education, which are all professions that are lacking not just in Canada, but around the world.
Hopefully things will start swinging in the right direction, as I am starting to see more and more young adults looking at careers other than being on a computer all day.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 4 @ 1:58 PM ET
I don't disagree with you on the declining Healthcare system here in Canada. Doctors and Nurses and lab people, etc. have been raising concerns about the lack of people coming into the health profession, for at least 20 years now, which get ignored by many different governments.
The continued lack of I vestments in technology upgrades and new hospitals has also been a big problem here, as you know.
This is a very Similar problem to what has gone on with trades in this country, which has been an issue since the 1990 or longer.
Our generation has to take some responsibility for this problem, as many of us encouraged our kids to get into co l lege for things other than healthcare, trades and education, which are all professions that are lacking not just in Canada, but around the world.
Hopefully things will start swinging in the right direction, as I am starting to see more and more young adults looking at careers other than being on a computer all day.

- Reubenkincade

Like with most socialist systems, there’s just way too much bureaucracy within it. If you look at Canada in it’s entirety, that remains true with almost anything that deals with Canadian government agencies. There are just way too many layers within most things Canadian. I read that Trudeau has increases public sector jobs by 40% since 2015. Public sector jobs are outpacing private sector jobs by 4 to 1…that is socialism 101.

https://mises.org/power-m...as-worst-decline-40-years

The amount of time in Canada it takes to issue a license or permit, as a general statement, when compared to other parts of the industrialized world is completely ridiculous. Most other countries projects are in the first phase of production before Canada will issue a permit to build.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Sep 4 @ 3:51 PM ET
I don't disagree with you on the declining Healthcare system here in Canada. Doctors and Nurses and lab people, etc. have been raising concerns about the lack of people coming into the health profession, for at least 20 years now, which get ignored by many different governments.
The continued lack of I vestments in technology upgrades and new hospitals has also been a big problem here, as you know.
This is a very Similar problem to what has gone on with trades in this country, which has been an issue since the 1990 or longer.
Our generation has to take some responsibility for this problem, as many of us encouraged our kids to get into co l lege for things other than healthcare, trades and education, which are all professions that are lacking not just in Canada, but around the world.
Hopefully things will start swinging in the right direction, as I am starting to see more and more young adults looking at careers other than being on a computer all day.

- Reubenkincade

Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Sep 4 @ 3:52 PM ET
Like with most socialist systems, there’s just way too much bureaucracy within it. If you look at Canada in it’s entirety, that remains true with almost anything that deals with Canadian government agencies. There are just way too many layers within most things Canadian. I read that Trudeau has increases public sector jobs by 40% since 2015. Public sector jobs are outpacing private sector jobs by 4 to 1…that is socialism 101.

https://mises.org/power-m...as-worst-decline-40-years

The amount of time in Canada it takes to issue a license or permit, as a general statement, when compared to other parts of the industrialized world is completely ridiculous. Most other countries projects are in the first phase of production before Canada will issue a permit to build.

- Pacificgem

VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Sep 4 @ 4:29 PM ET
Jagmeet ending its governance agreement with the Liberals.

Nice!
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Sep 4 @ 4:47 PM ET
Jagmeet ending its governance agreement with the Liberals.

Nice!

- VanHockeyGuy


How could he not after what the labour minister did to worker rights over the railroad labour dispute?
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 4 @ 6:11 PM ET
How could he not after what the labour minister did to worker rights over the railroad labour dispute?
- golfingsince

I have doubts he has the balls to call an election, but I hope I’m wrong.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Sep 4 @ 6:46 PM ET
I have doubts he has the balls to call an election, but I hope I’m wrong.
- Pacificgem

Another mass shooting at a high school in your beloved America.


You're right, Singh won't pull a non-confidence vote when his party is doing as bad if not worse than Justin's little party. It's PeePee's to win when it happens.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Sep 4 @ 7:02 PM ET
Another mass shooting at a high school in your beloved America.


Your right, Singh won't pull a non-confidence vote when his party is doing as bad if not worse than Justin's little party. It's PeePee's to win when it happens.

- Marwood


Here's a great web site for polling in Canada.

https://338canada.com/polls.htm

Creates an average using all polling results. Really gives you an idea of where we are as a nation. The NDP should be very worried.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Sep 4 @ 9:18 PM ET
what a poop show
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:35 PM ET
Another mass shooting at a high school in your beloved America.


Your right, Singh won't pull a non-confidence vote when his party is doing as bad if not worse than Justin's little party. It's PeePee's to win when it happens.

- Marwood

Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Sep 4 @ 9:55 PM ET

- Pacificgem

I hate ruining a near perfect record.

Having said that, it wasn't political it was world events.
Funny that you find the mass shooting of innocent people at school political.
Anyway, send your prayers to the victims and their friends & families.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Sep 4 @ 10:00 PM ET
Here's a great web site for polling in Canada.

https://338canada.com/polls.htm

Creates an average using all polling results. Really gives you an idea of where we are as a nation. The NDP should be very worried.

- bloatedmosquito

Thanks.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 5 @ 12:15 AM ET
Another mass shooting at a high school in your beloved America.


You're right, Singh won't pull a non-confidence vote when his party is doing as bad if not worse than Justin's little party. It's PeePee's to win when it happens.

- Marwood


According to StatsCan, Canada’s violent crime rate is up 40% since 2014.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 5 @ 12:40 AM ET
According to StatsCan, Canada’s violent crime rate is up 40% since 2014.
- Pacificgem


Thanks heavens JT went after hunters/target shooters/gun collectors the last 10 years.


Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Sep 5 @ 9:59 AM ET
According to StatsCan, Canada’s violent crime rate is up 40% since 2014.
- Pacificgem

How many mass shootings in Canada in that period?
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Sep 5 @ 10:16 AM ET
I have doubts he has the balls to call an election, but I hope I’m wrong.
- Pacificgem


A non-confidence vote would suffice. The Liberals know they're done, JT will hang on until the bitter end.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Sep 5 @ 10:22 AM ET
I have to laugh at the American wannabees in here telling us how Canada should be run.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 5 @ 11:36 AM ET
How many mass shootings in Canada in that period?
- Marwood

53

https://en.wikipedia.org/..._mass_shootings_in_Canada

Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 5 @ 11:37 AM ET
A non-confidence vote would suffice. The Liberals know they're done, JT will hang on until the bitter end.
- VanHockeyGuy

One can only hope, that man is deranged.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 5 @ 11:40 AM ET
Teachers grooming students is a huge problem going forward. This BS has to stop. This was in Canada. 🇨🇦


My grade 10 daughter has her friend over and she is telling us about her history class today. She had a supply teacher who required the class the say their pronouns out loud & then pick from a photo on the video projector of dogs looking sad or tired or happy and tell the class what dog they felt like today.
What the he11 is going on in our education system?
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Sep 5 @ 12:55 PM ET
One can only hope, that man is deranged.
- Pacificgem


And Trump isn't?
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