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boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 25 @ 7:01 PM ET
I've been to Israel twice. Spent a lot of time in that country. Talked to many Israelis. I understand your perspective.

Saying that, many Jews that leave Israel, leave because of the Zionist-first government and their supporters. Zionists/Nationalists have a very MAGA-like attitude. It's an intense atmosphere over there.

- bloatedmosquito


It's the most nationalist state on earth. All the blood and soil(fascists) rhetoric is there. Ruled by a ethnic minority(Apartheid) who abuse the majority with a heartless program to eliminate or over grow them by population expansion. Sounds pretty familiar...
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 25 @ 7:12 PM ET
Considering nearly 6 million were exterminated by the Euro-centric fascists it's not hard to understand why. Long memories take time to fade and when you have enemies on all sides, you can understand why they end up hardliners towards anyone that threatens them.

Again, not saying it's right, not saying the Palestinians deserve what's happened to them, the problem is that they won't give up the ones that pushed them into this or release the hostages (if they're even still alive by this point since it's been over a year and Israel's just about destroyed everything in Gaza at this point.

- DariusKnight


Jews existed and were living in peace in the territories before the 48 creation... with the exception of the minority Zionists movement who were actually the one's engaged in terrorist attacks before 48. This minority was integrated into the new military and government. You are very confused, the hardliners came first... it's a pathetic spin you are being manipulated by.

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 25 @ 7:19 PM ET
Considering nearly 6 million were exterminated by the Euro-centric fascists it's not hard to understand why. Long memories take time to fade and when you have enemies on all sides, you can understand why they end up hardliners towards anyone that threatens them.

Again, not saying it's right, not saying the Palestinians deserve what's happened to them, the problem is that they won't give up the ones that pushed them into this or release the hostages (if they're even still alive by this point since it's been over a year and Israel's just about destroyed everything in Gaza at this point.

- DariusKnight


Yup. Palestinians have not helped their own cause. I think there's been about four Palestinian civil wars outside of their conflict within Israel, the latest being Fatah–Hamas. Then the conflicts they were involved in Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon. Hence why they don't have much support even amongst other Arab countries.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 25 @ 7:33 PM ET
Yup. Palestinians have not helped their own cause. I think there's been about four Palestinian civil wars outside of their conflict within Israel, the latest being Fatah–Hamas. Then the conflicts they were involved in Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon. Hence why they don't have much support even amongst other Arab countries.
- bloatedmosquito


What exactly do you consider "much help"?

Arab countries hand's are tied from doing anything militarily. One by one America fabricates justification for destroying Israel's enemies. Iraq and Libya are fine examples... Going through other means like the UN is just met with American vetoes. NGO's from foreign nations try and run through blockades and Israel murders them (Greece and Turkey). This has been proven endless times. Foreign media who try and inform get deliberately sniped. Countries like Egypt/Saudi have made hand tying deals with the west which are abused by Israel and partners. Israel's neighbours have been vocal in condemning the Zionist government. That's about all they can do without ending up in a war.

This all changing. Israel's neighbours are flocking east to get out from America's heel. Egypt and Saudi are heading for BRICS. USA is losing their leverage on these nations.


bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 25 @ 8:25 PM ET
What exactly do you consider "much help"?

Arab countries hand's are tied from doing anything militarily. One by one America fabricates justification for destroying Israel's enemies. Iraq and Libya are fine examples... Going through other means like the UN is just met with American vetoes. NGO's from foreign nations try and run through blockades and Israel murders them (Greece and Turkey). This has been proven endless times. Foreign media who try and inform get deliberately sniped. Countries like Egypt/Saudi have made hand tying deals with the west which are abused by Israel and partners. Israel's neighbours have been vocal in condemning the Zionist government. That's about all they can do without ending up in a war.

This all changing. Israel's neighbours are flocking east to get out from America's heel. Egypt and Saudi are heading for BRICS. USA is losing their leverage on these nations.

- boonerbuck


I think the Sunni - Shia divide has something to do with it.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 26 @ 2:54 AM ET
Again, poopty deal, no question, but calling for the destruction of a nation that's already been established is stupid. There's room for two countries in that strip by the Jordan river, but one 'supposed' country wants to wipe out the other, so that makes negotiating for a fair and just territory that gives the Palestinians what they want hard.
- DariusKnight


Israel the perpetual victim in all this eh? One genocide entitles a people to commit another?

Apparently these long memories are a bit too short for some Zionists.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Oct 26 @ 4:55 PM ET
Israel the perpetual victim in all this eh? One genocide entitles a people to commit another?

Apparently these long memories are a bit too short for some Zionists.

- NewYorkNuck


Apparently some people have short memories or don't think it can and will happen again if Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran has their way.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 26 @ 5:45 PM ET
Apparently some people have short memories or don't think it can and will happen again if Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran has their way.
- DariusKnight


Talk about completely backwards.


It's definitely happening again.... in Gaza and other territories...

As far as Iran goes... it was Israel striking them and assassinating high ranking Iranians. As soon as anyone retaliates on Israel, it's the victim card... always. You have to be dumbed down pretty bad to fall for that.

Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 28 @ 1:35 PM ET
🚨 Breaking: The Independent reports that at least 26 Iranian 🇮🇷 military and IRGC personnel were killed during Israel's 🇮🇱 attack.

It also reports that all anti-aircraft radar 📡 screens in Iran were hacked and frozen five minutes before Israel's attack.

H/t: @ShayanNews
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 28 @ 5:31 PM ET
Israel has passed two laws banning the UN's Palestinian refugee agency (Unrwa) from operating in Israel, and in occupied areas under its control, by large majorities.

A number of countries, including the US, the UK and Germany, have expressed serious concern about the move.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gp2ejzpxeo


Ban journalists. Ban the UN. Just let Israel self-report their war crimes. Can't believe people still defend these actions.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 28 @ 5:36 PM ET
Apparently some people have short memories or don't think it can and will happen again if Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran has their way.
- DariusKnight


So eradicating a people/population is the best way for people to not want to eradicate you?

Ever wonder if Israel's actions are creating the next Hamas/Hezbollah/militant group.. like has been repeated throughout all of history?
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 28 @ 5:44 PM ET
What exactly do you consider "much help"?

Arab countries hand's are tied from doing anything militarily. One by one America fabricates justification for destroying Israel's enemies. Iraq and Libya are fine examples... Going through other means like the UN is just met with American vetoes. NGO's from foreign nations try and run through blockades and Israel murders them (Greece and Turkey). This has been proven endless times. Foreign media who try and inform get deliberately sniped. Countries like Egypt/Saudi have made hand tying deals with the west which are abused by Israel and partners. Israel's neighbours have been vocal in condemning the Zionist government. That's about all they can do without ending up in a war.

This all changing. Israel's neighbours are flocking east to get out from America's heel. Egypt and Saudi are heading for BRICS. USA is losing their leverage on these nations.

- boonerbuck


Looks like the strings are being pulled. The push is on to create civil war in Iran and then install the exiled Shah back into power. France and Italy being left out of negotiations as they have been critical of Israel. Sunni nations are banned pro-Palestine messaging and arrests have started.

poops happening...
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:02 PM ET
Looks like the strings are being pulled. The push is on to create civil war in Iran and then install the exiled Shah back into power. France and Italy being left out of negotiations as they have been critical of Israel. Sunni nations are banned pro-Palestine messaging and arrests have started.

poops happening...

- bloatedmosquito

Poop is always happening over there, on and off for 3000 years. It will never change as long as they're all alive. It's in their DNA at this point.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:04 PM ET
Sounds like the Bloc Leader is talking to the other parties to take down the Trudeau government. Although, he's as big a fraud as Trudeau and his criminal organization.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 29 @ 5:09 PM ET
Sounds like the Bloc Leader is talking to the other parties to take down the Trudeau government. Although, he's as big a fraud as Trudeau and his criminal organization.
- Pacificgem


I think Trudeau is calling their bluff. Would the NDP and the bloc perfer to deal with poilievre? Good luck with that.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:14 PM ET
I think Trudeau is calling their bluff. Would the NDP and the bloc perfer to deal with poilievre? Good luck with that.
- bloatedmosquito

PP doesn't need a deal, practically the whole country will be blue, he's going to have one of the largest majorities in Canadian history.

What is the biggest....*heads to google*

Edit: found it...

"The Canadian government with the largest Parliamentary majority in terms of the raw number of seats was the Mulroney ministry following the 1984 election, winning 211 of 282 seats (74.82%).

However, the Diefenbaker ministry following the 1958 election, while having won three fewer seats, actually won a higher proportion of seats, taking 208 of 265 seats (78.49%)."
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 29 @ 5:22 PM ET
PP doesn't need a deal, practically the whole country will be blue, he's going to have one of the largest majorities in Canadian history.

What is the biggest....*heads to google*

Edit: found it...

"The Canadian government with the largest Parliamentary majority in terms of the raw number of seats was the Mulroney ministry following the 1984 election, winning 211 of 282 seats (74.82%).

However, the Diefenbaker ministry following the 1958 election, while having won three fewer seats, actually won a higher proportion of seats, taking 208 of 265 seats (78.49%)."

- Pacificgem


Exactly, so why would the bloc and NDP bring that on before it needs to happen?
Oildrum
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Kenny will bring us to the promised land
Joined: 06.12.2012

Oct 30 @ 5:23 PM ET
The US election is a week away. Some food for thought.

The U.S. is in a MESS with open border policies, bringing in crime and burdening healthcare and housing, etc. identical in Canada. Trump did not create these mass issues in destabilizing the country. Ask yourself, how did the U.S. get here and why didn't Kamala help fix these issues over the last 4 years and the answer is, because she helped to create them. There is a much bigger agenda here. Look at the mainstream media. 50 stories a day bashing Trump and not one negative story about Kamala. Remember when true democracy presented 2 sides, and the people decided, and journalists interviewed both sides. Well now there is the radical far left destroying their own country and elites jumping on board because as the old saying goes, "if you can't beat them, join them". This is a different world where if you speak the truth or fight for what's right, you will be ousted.

Trump did not create the divisiveness, that all happened in the last 4 years, same as in Canada. If Trump wanted to destroy the county, he would have done it in his first term. If Harris (under Biden) wanted to help the country, she would have done it in her first term. Biden fired thousands of servicemen in the military for not taking the shot, while letting in millions and millions of unvaccinated illegals into the country.

Musk made a great point that if the Dems win this election the next one in 4 years will be a farce. Why have they been allowing all these illegals in the last 4 years. To bus them all to the swing states. Why? Because in 4 years all these illegals that were let in will have their citizenship cards and will be able to vote. Who do you think they'll vote for? They'll vote for the party that allowed them in and got them citizenship. There will be no more swing states and the Republicans will have no chance to win.

This may be the most important election in the history of the US.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 30 @ 5:43 PM ET
The US election is a week away. Some food for thought.

The U.S. is in a MESS with open border policies, bringing in crime and burdening healthcare and housing, etc. identical in Canada. Trump did not create these mass issues in destabilizing the country. Ask yourself, how did the U.S. get here and why didn't Kamala help fix these issues over the last 4 years and the answer is, because she helped to create them. There is a much bigger agenda here. Look at the mainstream media. 50 stories a day bashing Trump and not one negative story about Kamala. Remember when true democracy presented 2 sides, and the people decided, and journalists interviewed both sides. Well now there is the radical far left destroying their own country and elites jumping on board because as the old saying goes, "if you can't beat them, join them". This is a different world where if you speak the truth or fight for what's right, you will be ousted.

Trump did not create the divisiveness, that all happened in the last 4 years, same as in Canada. If Trump wanted to destroy the county, he would have done it in his first term. If Harris (under Biden) wanted to help the country, she would have done it in her first term. Biden fired thousands of servicemen in the military for not taking the shot, while letting in millions and millions of unvaccinated illegals into the country.

Musk made a great point that if the Dems win this election the next one in 4 years will be a farce. Why have they been allowing all these illegals in the last 4 years. To bus them all to the swing states. Why? Because in 4 years all these illegals that were let in will have their citizenship cards and will be able to vote. Who do you think they'll vote for? They'll vote for the party that allowed them in and got them citizenship. There will be no more swing states and the Republicans will have no chance to win.

This may be the most important election in the history of the US.

- Oildrum


Cool. You seem very passionate about immigration. What's your opinion on England's immigration policies since you are so in tune with international affairs?
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 30 @ 6:04 PM ET
The US election is a week away. Some food for thought.

The U.S. is in a MESS with open border policies, bringing in crime and burdening healthcare and housing, etc. identical in Canada. Trump did not create these mass issues in destabilizing the country. Ask yourself, how did the U.S. get here and why didn't Kamala help fix these issues over the last 4 years and the answer is, because she helped to create them. There is a much bigger agenda here. Look at the mainstream media. 50 stories a day bashing Trump and not one negative story about Kamala. Remember when true democracy presented 2 sides, and the people decided, and journalists interviewed both sides. Well now there is the radical far left destroying their own country and elites jumping on board because as the old saying goes, "if you can't beat them, join them". This is a different world where if you speak the truth or fight for what's right, you will be ousted.

Trump did not create the divisiveness, that all happened in the last 4 years, same as in Canada. If Trump wanted to destroy the county, he would have done it in his first term. If Harris (under Biden) wanted to help the country, she would have done it in her first term. Biden fired thousands of servicemen in the military for not taking the shot, while letting in millions and millions of unvaccinated illegals into the country.

Musk made a great point that if the Dems win this election the next one in 4 years will be a farce. Why have they been allowing all these illegals in the last 4 years. To bus them all to the swing states. Why? Because in 4 years all these illegals that were let in will have their citizenship cards and will be able to vote. Who do you think they'll vote for? They'll vote for the party that allowed them in and got them citizenship. There will be no more swing states and the Republicans will have no chance to win.

This may be the most important election in the history of the US.

- Oildrum


Did you write this yourself, or did you copy and paste it from Reddit incel?

Good to know there was no divisiveness before 4 years ago! Man things were so calm and peaceful before Biden was elected.

Do you know what actual powers the vice president of the US has, by chance?

I like how you reference Elon Musk right after talking about elites jumping on board in politics. That's satisfying.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 30 @ 6:13 PM ET
The US election is a week away. Some food for thought.

The U.S. is in a MESS with open border policies, bringing in crime and burdening healthcare and housing, etc. identical in Canada. Trump did not create these mass issues in destabilizing the country. Ask yourself, how did the U.S. get here and why didn't Kamala help fix these issues over the last 4 years and the answer is, because she helped to create them. There is a much bigger agenda here. Look at the mainstream media. 50 stories a day bashing Trump and not one negative story about Kamala. Remember when true democracy presented 2 sides, and the people decided, and journalists interviewed both sides. Well now there is the radical far left destroying their own country and elites jumping on board because as the old saying goes, "if you can't beat them, join them". This is a different world where if you speak the truth or fight for what's right, you will be ousted.

Trump did not create the divisiveness, that all happened in the last 4 years, same as in Canada. If Trump wanted to destroy the county, he would have done it in his first term. If Harris (under Biden) wanted to help the country, she would have done it in her first term. Biden fired thousands of servicemen in the military for not taking the shot, while letting in millions and millions of unvaccinated illegals into the country.

Musk made a great point that if the Dems win this election the next one in 4 years will be a farce. Why have they been allowing all these illegals in the last 4 years. To bus them all to the swing states. Why? Because in 4 years all these illegals that were let in will have their citizenship cards and will be able to vote. Who do you think they'll vote for? They'll vote for the party that allowed them in and got them citizenship. There will be no more swing states and the Republicans will have no chance to win.

This may be the most important election in the history of the US.

- Oildrum



Here you are spewing the exact same talking points that you hear day in day out from every republican mouthpiece.

You know that if Trump wasn’t representing the Republican Party and they actually had a real statesman representing the party it would be a landslide victory for the republicans.

Trump in my opinion is the issue the guy should be in prison. And obviously you live under a rock because Apple News has several anti Harris stories as well as Microsoft news, simpatico etc.

Oildrum
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Kenny will bring us to the promised land
Joined: 06.12.2012

Oct 30 @ 6:46 PM ET


Here you are spewing the exact same talking points that you hear day in day out from every republican mouthpiece.

You know that if Trump wasn’t representing the Republican Party and they actually had a real statesman representing the party it would be a landslide victory for the republicans.

Trump in my opinion is the issue the guy should be in prison. And obviously you live under a rock because Apple News has several anti Harris stories as well as Microsoft news, simpatico etc.

- Makita


Have you heard Kamala Harris speak? All word salad, no clear points made on the important topics, flip flops back and forth on what she is for or against. Never answers any questions that aren't softballs. Even the pro right media are starting to turn on her with how ridiculous she sounds. Listen to the 3 hour Joe Rogan podcast with Trump and see if you still feel the same way about him.

The right calling him Hitler and that he'll destroy democracy. None of that happened the 4 years he was in charge. So ridiculous to say something like that. The Biden/Harris party are like the cheating boyfriend. All they do is accuse him of doing what they're doing themselves.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Oct 30 @ 7:46 PM ET
The US election is a week away. Some food for thought.

The U.S. is in a MESS with open border policies, bringing in crime and burdening healthcare and housing, etc. identical in Canada. Trump did not create these mass issues in destabilizing the country. Ask yourself, how did the U.S. get here and why didn't Kamala help fix these issues over the last 4 years and the answer is, because she helped to create them. There is a much bigger agenda here. Look at the mainstream media. 50 stories a day bashing Trump and not one negative story about Kamala. Remember when true democracy presented 2 sides, and the people decided, and journalists interviewed both sides. Well now there is the radical far left destroying their own country and elites jumping on board because as the old saying goes, "if you can't beat them, join them". This is a different world where if you speak the truth or fight for what's right, you will be ousted.

Trump did not create the divisiveness, that all happened in the last 4 years, same as in Canada. If Trump wanted to destroy the county, he would have done it in his first term. If Harris (under Biden) wanted to help the country, she would have done it in her first term. Biden fired thousands of servicemen in the military for not taking the shot, while letting in millions and millions of unvaccinated illegals into the country.

Musk made a great point that if the Dems win this election the next one in 4 years will be a farce. Why have they been allowing all these illegals in the last 4 years. To bus them all to the swing states. Why? Because in 4 years all these illegals that were let in will have their citizenship cards and will be able to vote. Who do you think they'll vote for? They'll vote for the party that allowed them in and got them citizenship. There will be no more swing states and the Republicans will have no chance to win.

This may be the most important election in the history of the US.

- Oildrum


Both the Republican party and the Democrat party picked the worst possible candidates to run in the general election. Trump is a blowhard moron that can't keep his big mouth shut in public and on social media and Harris is a jumped up public access news anchor that can't talk unless it's some sort of word salad or platittude.

I still think Kamala wins because it'll come down to Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. All states Biden won in 2020 and I don't see them losing them this time. Georgia will probably go red though which might help.
Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Oct 30 @ 8:01 PM ET
The US election is a week away. Some food for thought.

The U.S. is in a MESS with open border policies, bringing in crime and burdening healthcare and housing, etc. identical in Canada. Trump did not create these mass issues in destabilizing the country. Ask yourself, how did the U.S. get here and why didn't Kamala help fix these issues over the last 4 years and the answer is, because she helped to create them. There is a much bigger agenda here. Look at the mainstream media. 50 stories a day bashing Trump and not one negative story about Kamala. Remember when true democracy presented 2 sides, and the people decided, and journalists interviewed both sides. Well now there is the radical far left destroying their own country and elites jumping on board because as the old saying goes, "if you can't beat them, join them". This is a different world where if you speak the truth or fight for what's right, you will be ousted.

Trump did not create the divisiveness, that all happened in the last 4 years, same as in Canada. If Trump wanted to destroy the county, he would have done it in his first term. If Harris (under Biden) wanted to help the country, she would have done it in her first term. Biden fired thousands of servicemen in the military for not taking the shot, while letting in millions and millions of unvaccinated illegals into the country.

Musk made a great point that if the Dems win this election the next one in 4 years will be a farce. Why have they been allowing all these illegals in the last 4 years. To bus them all to the swing states. Why? Because in 4 years all these illegals that were let in will have their citizenship cards and will be able to vote. Who do you think they'll vote for? They'll vote for the party that allowed them in and got them citizenship. There will be no more swing states and the Republicans will have no chance to win.

This may be the most important election in the history of the US.

- Oildrum

Cool.
Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Oct 30 @ 8:02 PM ET
Have you heard Kamala Harris speak? All word salad, no clear points made on the important topics, flip flops back and forth on what she is for or against. Never answers any questions that aren't softballs. Even the pro right media are starting to turn on her with how ridiculous she sounds. Listen to the 3 hour Joe Rogan podcast with Trump and see if you still feel the same way about him.

The right calling him Hitler and that he'll destroy democracy. None of that happened the 4 years he was in charge. So ridiculous to say something like that. The Biden/Harris party are like the cheating boyfriend. All they do is accuse him of doing what they're doing themselves.

- Oildrum

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