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Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 31 @ 6:29 PM ET
She's not black, she's biracial. Just like Obama. She's also just a front for a shadow government that would actually be in charge. She's as dumb as Reuby and can't hold an intelligent meaningful conversation about anything important to the American people. She has no policies, it's strange.

Most educated and informed Republican's (insert ignorant Canadian jokes here) I know here in the U.S., are not thrilled with having to vote for Trump, who's also an idiot. They're voting to stay clear of the ultra leftwing ideology that comes with Harris and Walz, they are Justin Trudeau clones on steroids and will ruin the country like Trudeau's done to Canada. Don't think they don't see what's going on up there, it isn't pretty.

- Pacificgem

Trump is far worse than word salad lady, question for you republican boy…should men have the say over women’s reproductive rights, and in all cases, including violent abusive rapes or unwanted pregnancies?

And can you provide policies from the Orange idiot, other than he is putting plans together. I mean weaving incoherent jibber jabber and dancing around like he has a carrot stuck up his ass, doesn’t sound like Trump has any policies other than dictatorship.
Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Oct 31 @ 6:30 PM ET
She's not black, she's biracial. Just like Obama. She's also just a front for a shadow government that would actually be in charge. She's as dumb as Reuby and can't hold an intelligent meaningful conversation about anything important to the American people. She has no policies, it's strange.

Most educated and informed Republican's (insert ignorant Canadian jokes here) I know here in the U.S., are not thrilled with having to vote for Trump, who's also an idiot. They're voting to stay clear of the ultra leftwing ideology that comes with Harris and Walz, they are Justin Trudeau clones on steroids and will ruin the country like Trudeau's done to Canada. Don't think they don't see what's going on up there, it isn't pretty.

- Pacificgem

So that means that she can't identify as being from one race or the other?
You racists set ridiculous rules for how people are allowed to identify.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 31 @ 6:31 PM ET
She's not black, she's biracial. Just like Obama. She's also just a front for a shadow government that would actually be in charge. She's as dumb as Reuby and can't hold an intelligent meaningful conversation about anything important to the American people. She has no policies, it's strange.

Most educated and informed Republican's (insert ignorant Canadian jokes here) I know here in the U.S., are not thrilled with having to vote for Trump, who's also an idiot. They're voting to stay clear of the ultra leftwing ideology that comes with Harris and Walz, they are Justin Trudeau clones on steroids and will ruin the country like Trudeau's done to Canada. Don't think they don't see what's going on up there, it isn't pretty.

- Pacificgem


Yes, typically people as dumb as Reuby graduate from Howard University and the University of California, Hastings College of the Law. Then get recruited to the San Francisco District Attorney's Office and later to the office of the city attorney of San Francisco. And then get elected district attorney of San Francisco in 2003 and attorney general of California in 2010, and reelected as attorney general in 2014. I think Reuby was once a junior U.S. senator from California from 2017 to 2021 and then become the vice president of the USA, no?
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 31 @ 6:33 PM ET
So that means that she can't identify as being from one race or the other?
You racists set ridiculous rules for how people are allowed to identify.

- Danny Bomber

Careful, identity is a trigger word for the unwoke crowd, unless of course they need to use it to make their case.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 31 @ 6:35 PM ET
So that means that she can't identify as being from one race or the other?
You racists set ridiculous rules for how people are allowed to identify.

- Danny Bomber


Don't stress, Bob Marley wasn't black/Jamaican, Trevor Noah isn't black either... white people know what it is to be black or biracial in a country. Don't let the people who live it tell you otherwise

Journalist Malcolm Gladwell is of Jamaican and Irish heritage. "I'm of mixed race," he told CNN in 2011, speaking of what happened when he let his hair grow. "The minute I began to look more like people's stereotype of a black male (and) have a big Afro, I got stopped by police, and when I went through Customs at the airport, I would always get pulled out. I was getting speeding tickets left and right; it was really kind of a striking transformation in the way the world viewed me."

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 31 @ 6:36 PM ET
So Jamaicans are white, and Indian are white, didn’t know that.
- Makita


It wasnt very long ago that Indians and whites(Europeans) were classified the same actually. Skin color was never used for scientific classification. Ever. They both belonged to the Indo/European branch of the human family tree. It's even mentioned in yorkies links about Harris since some of the confusion in documents got mixed up in the classifications.


boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 31 @ 6:39 PM ET
Trump is far worse than word salad lady, question for you republican boy…should men have the say over women’s reproductive rights, and in all cases, including violent abusive rapes or unwanted pregnancies?

And can you provide policies from the Orange idiot, other than he is putting plans together. I mean weaving incoherent jibber jabber and dancing around like he has a carrot stuck up his ass, doesn’t sound like Trump has any policies other than dictatorship.

- Makita


A one term dictator.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 31 @ 6:40 PM ET
dp
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 31 @ 6:50 PM ET
Trump is far worse than word salad lady, question for you republican boy…should men have the say over women’s reproductive rights, and in all cases, including violent abusive rapes or unwanted pregnancies?

And can you provide policies from the Orange idiot, other than he is putting plans together. I mean weaving incoherent jibber jabber and dancing around like he has a carrot stuck up his ass, doesn’t sound like Trump has any policies other than dictatorship.

- Makita

Agree, Trump is pretty much on the same level when it comes to diplomatic speeches. As I said in my post, the man is an idiot.

Also, ignorant presumptions by you, I’m not a Republican, I’m a centrist, I believe in policies on both the left and right. Men aren’t the only ones in politics by the way, but to your point, of course the government should have no say in what a woman does with her body. That’s between her and her doctor. Why would I give a crap, to be honest. It’s none of my business, I’m not a religious fanatic.

I’m all for less government, not more. Big reason why I despise the current NDP/Liberal’s in Canada, they are socialist communist’s who want everyone to work for the government and the government to control everything. Truthfully, all governments are corrupt and dishonest, just gotta find the least of the bunch.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 31 @ 6:50 PM ET
It wasnt very long ago that Indians and whites(Europeans) were classified the same actually. Skin color was never used for scientific classification. Ever. They both belonged to the Indo/European branch of the human family tree. It's even mentioned in yorkies links about Harris since some of the confusion in documents got mixed up in the classifications.
- boonerbuck

Thanks for the Indo/European info, I can remember some of that from my school years.
Personally I could care less about anyone’s skin colour, people are people, why anyone on either side of the political parties would question a person skin colour is pretty low on morals and possibly even racist.

Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 31 @ 6:51 PM ET
So that means that she can't identify as being from one race or the other?
You racists set ridiculous rules for how people are allowed to identify.

- Danny Bomber

I don’t give a crap what she does, some black Americans do though, I’m just saying she’s not one or the other. She likes to play both sides of the fence.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 31 @ 6:52 PM ET
A one term dictator.

- boonerbuck

if
I interpret his ramblings he has eluded to people never having to vote ever again, one term dictator could be a long term…
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 31 @ 6:58 PM ET
Yes, typically people as dumb as Reuby graduate from Howard University and the University of California, Hastings College of the Law. Then get recruited to the San Francisco District Attorney's Office and later to the office of the city attorney of San Francisco. And then get elected district attorney of San Francisco in 2003 and attorney general of California in 2010, and reelected as attorney general in 2014. I think Reuby was once a junior U.S. senator from California from 2017 to 2021 and then become the vice president of the USA, no?
- NewYorkNuck



Don’t get so butt-hurt, clearly not meant to be taken literally to the degree you’re expressing.

She comes across as very aloof, you can be very book-smart and be a very poor politician. I know some very intelligent engineers who are idiots in a practical sense, you have to have a good balance between theory and practical application. Can you imagine that idiot Harris having a conversation with other world leaders without a teleprompter.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 31 @ 7:00 PM ET
Agree, Trump is pretty much on the same level when it comes to diplomatic speeches. As I said in my post, the man is an idiot.

Also, ignorant presumptions by you, I’m not a Republican, I’m a centrist, I believe in policies on both the left and right. Men aren’t the only ones in politics by the way, but to your point, of course the government should have no say in what a woman does with her body. That’s between her and her doctor. Why would I give a crap, to be honest. It’s none of my business, I’m not a religious fanatic.

I’m all for less government, not more. Big reason why I despise the current NDP/Liberal’s in Canada, they are socialist communist’s who want everyone to work for the government and the government to control everything. Truthfully, all governments are corrupt and dishonest, just gotta find the least of the bunch.

- Pacificgem

Good on you, personally I also identify as a centrist, I just threw the woman reproductive rights thing because it really pisses me off that the republican states have introduced these laws.
I voted for the conservative candidate in my area, it was really close (23 vote difference) until the mail in ballots. And then the candidate apparently verbally criticized 1st nations in a UVic interview.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 31 @ 7:08 PM ET


Don’t get so butt-hurt, clearly not meant to be taken literally to the degree you’re expressing.

She comes across as very aloof, you can be very book-smart and be a very poor politician. I know some very intelligent engineers who are idiots in a practical sense, you have to have a good balance between theory and practical application. Can you imagine that idiot Harris having a conversation with other world leaders without a teleprompter.

- Pacificgem


I listen to a lot of political podcasts, and really like Ezra Klein. He talked about this perception with Harris – it was actually an episode on Trump and what he views as his uninhibited quality which both works for and against him – that she is dumb or fumbles a lot in her responses. Basically he said, contrasting to Trump, that Harris is very inhibited in what she says, as most politicians are: they calculate their responses and work towards what people gravitate to hear. Harris is just slow and bad at that, and she fumbles responses in kind. People like Obama and Pete Buttigieg are quite good, because even though they inhibit what they say or how they respond it's really really quick and comes across as fluent and honest. Harris is slow and it comes across as fake or awkward.

Trump on the other hand doesn't inhibit himself, which comes across as honest but also he says stupid ass poop all the time because he's an idiot who doesn't know how to control himself
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 31 @ 7:12 PM ET
A one term dictator.

- boonerbuck

I think he’s gonna get in again. Even some hardcore Dems are disenchanted with Harris, she comes across as a complete wack-job!! Gotta go find him dancing now.

Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 31 @ 7:17 PM ET
I listen to a lot of political podcasts, and really like Ezra Klein. He talked about this perception with Harris – it was actually an episode on Trump and what he views as his uninhibited quality which both works for and against him – that she is dumb or fumbles a lot in her responses. Basically he said, contrasting to Trump, that Harris is very inhibited in what she says, as most politicians are: they calculate their responses and work towards what people gravitate to hear. Harris is just slow and bad at that, and she fumbles responses in kind. People like Obama and Pete Buttigieg are quite good, because even though they inhibit what they say or how they respond it's really really quick and comes across as fluent and honest. Harris is slow and it comes across as fake or awkward.

Trump on the other hand doesn't inhibit himself, which comes across as honest but also he says stupid ass poop all the time because he's an idiot who doesn't know how to control himself

- NewYorkNuck

They are polar opposites, for sure. Clearly Harris is not a dumb person, but she comes across like one and she’s extremely Liberal, I would never vote for her no matter how much I hate Trump.

You know who’s very well spoken and a quick thinker, JD Vance. He’s an intelligent person, but like a lot of mid-west Americans, he’s very religious. Hot East Indian wife too!!
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 31 @ 7:28 PM ET
Where do I start? Obviously you know his shortcomings, but you want to test me, I'm not stupid LOL!! Beyond his phony, lying, personality, he's embarrassed our country internationally. He did nothing with voter reform. The SNC Lavalin scandal, the arrivecan scandal, regional division within the country, national debt not ever seen before, environmental driven policies, housing, inflation/cost of living, jeez...need I go on? He's largely thought of as the worst Prime Minister in Canadian history, except by you.

I don't think it's about one specific policy, but rather, his tenure's been marred by controversies, unfulfilled promises, and policies that've divided the nation. I'll quote the below as to how I feel personally.

"Critics argue that his economic policies have burdened Canada with significant debt without proportionate economic growth or stability benefits. Fiscal management under his leadership lacked foresight and sustainability, potentially endangering Canada’s economic future."

"Environmental Policies and Actions

Despite campaigning on strong environmental policies, Trudeau’s actions have disappointed environmentalists and Indigenous communities. His government’s decision to purchase the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project contradicted his climate change commitments, sparking widespread protests and criticism from those who had been his staunch supporters.
"

"Ethics and Accountability Issues

Trudeau’s tenure has been punctuated by several ethics scandals that have tarnished his administration’s image. The SNC-Lavalin affair, where his office was accused of pressuring the justice minister to intervene in a criminal case, and the WE Charity scandal, involving a conflict of interest in awarding a significant contract, have raised serious questions about his administration’s governance, ethics, and accountability
."

https://financialpost.com...r-messaging-sink-liberals

- Pacificgem


We have already had this conversation 10 pages ago

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=159675&page=313

I just like to ask those who say "Trudeau has ruined the country" what specific policy has been most destructive, most go on about his personality but can't articulate what he's personally done to create all this imagined destruction.

National debt is not entirely his fault. His first 5 years in power saw some of the lowest debt in Canadian history. After 2020 all hell broke loose but we all know why.

Inflation/cost of living is not on him or is it "the worse it's ever been". It was so much worse in the 80's and before that.

As for ethics and controversies, please. What canadian PM hasn't had those? My boy Mulroney had his fare share. But I agree, he's a moron.

I'm not a liberal or a fan of JT but I ain't no alarmist either. I can see what the true issues are without the need to blame a scapegoat for systemic Canadian issues. The problems are just as much Canadian citizens fault as they are JTs. We should all look in the mirror.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 31 @ 7:49 PM ET
Extreme liberal women…

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 31 @ 7:50 PM ET
Thanks for the Indo/European info, I can remember some of that from my school years.
Personally I could care less about anyone’s skin colour, people are people, why anyone on either side of the political parties would question a person skin colour is pretty low on morals and possibly even racist.

- Makita


Well, it's the Democrats playing the race card to win over the portion of the Afro American population that is not voting for her. They are both on the ends of the race tug rope.

More and more Afro Americans are distancing themselves from the D party. The Democrats talk the talk when it comes to that demographic but in the end they are no better and stab them in the back over and over. So many blacks just care about jobs and putting food on the table for their family. Many are Christian and do not relate to the rabid woke culture that the Democrats seem to push as America's most important agenda. There is a shift happening. More and more blacks are leaning towards the Republicans because the Ol' Boy's club aside, the R party seems to be more focussed on what they see as a priority. Jobs and family values. Democrats seem to think so little of blacks that they think they can bait them with the "vote against white" ideal. Their supporters are scratching their heads when blacks show support for the Republican's border crisis agenda. Why is that so surprising? America's impoverished should think of illegals first? Democrats have lost their way.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 31 @ 7:53 PM ET
if
I interpret his ramblings he has eluded to people never having to vote ever again, one term dictator could be a long term…

- Makita


That would be his 2nd term then.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 31 @ 7:57 PM ET
Extreme liberal women…


- Pacificgem


One of the only people on earth who lies more than trump.... but much much bigger lies.

#russiagate
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 31 @ 7:57 PM ET
#WATCH: Last month, Justin Trudeau flew 41k km and burned hundreds of thousands of litres of fuel.

Today, Steven Guilbeault tells Canadians they need to pay a carbon tax to stop the planet from burning.

Steven Guilbeault is either a liar or he's retarded.

https://x.com/govt_corrup...&t=Cg-ps9-XqBInMg-oPEPaZA
Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Oct 31 @ 8:16 PM ET
#WATCH: Last month, Justin Trudeau flew 41k km and burned hundreds of thousands of litres of fuel.

Today, Steven Guilbeault tells Canadians they need to pay a carbon tax to stop the planet from burning.

Steven Guilbeault is either a liar or he's retarded.

https://x.com/govt_corrup...&t=Cg-ps9-XqBInMg-oPEPaZA

- Pacificgem

He's both.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Oct 31 @ 8:18 PM ET
#WATCH: Last month, Justin Trudeau flew 41k km and burned hundreds of thousands of litres of fuel.

Today, Steven Guilbeault tells Canadians they need to pay a carbon tax to stop the planet from burning.

Steven Guilbeault is either a liar or he's retarded.

https://x.com/govt_corrup...&t=Cg-ps9-XqBInMg-oPEPaZA

- Pacificgem



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