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VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Yesterday @ 9:15 AM ET
Canadians are being punished for something that falls 100% on our incompetent Trudeau government. Canadians crying over 25% tarrif with USA but ignoring the 20% carbon tax increase April 1st.

You honestly can't make this sh!t up...


- LordHumungous


“Here’s the thing about Donald Trump’s erratic tariff policy: Trump isn’t going to make corporate billionaires pay for these tariffs – working families and small businesses will. He’s using American workers as pawns in his petty political games,”

Simplified, the country in question won't pay the tariffs, the importer will. Like your grocery store.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Yesterday @ 9:32 AM ET
The following is by Jean Chrétien, who served as prime minister of Canada from 1993 to 2003. It appeared in The Globe and Mail, Canada’s most widely read newspaper, on January 11, 2025.

Canadians will never give up the best country in the world to join the U.S.

Jean Chrétien

Today is my 91st birthday.

It’s an opportunity to celebrate with family and friends. To look back on the life I’ve had the privilege to lead. And to reflect on how much this country we all love so much has grown and changed over the course of the nine decades I’ve been on this Earth.

This year, I’ve also decided to give myself a birthday present. I’m going to do something in this article that I don’t do very often anymore, and sound off on a big issue affecting the state of the nation and profoundly bothering me and so many other Canadians: The totally unacceptable insults and unprecedented threats to our very sovereignty from U.S. president-elect Donald Trump.

I have two very clear and simple messages.

To Donald Trump, from one old guy to another: Give your head a shake! What could make you think that Canadians would ever give up the best country in the world — and make no mistake, that is what we are — to join the United States?

I can tell you Canadians prize our independence. We love our country. We have built something here that is the envy of the world — when it comes to compassion, understanding, tolerance and finding a way for people of different backgrounds and faiths to live together in harmony.

We’ve also built a strong social safety net — especially with public health care — that we are very proud of. It’s not perfect, but it’s based on the principle that the most vulnerable among us should be protected.

This may not be the “American Way” or “the Trump Way.” But it is the reality I have witnessed and lived my whole long life.

If you think that threatening and insulting us is going to win us over, you really don’t know a thing about us. You don’t know that when it came to fighting in two world wars for freedom, we signed up — both times — years before your country did. We fought and we sacrificed well beyond our numbers.

We also had the guts to say no to your country when it tried to drag us into a completely unjustified and destabilizing war in Iraq.

We built a nation across the most rugged, challenging geography imaginable. And we did it against the odds.

We may look easy-going. Mild-mannered. But make no mistake, we have spine and toughness.

And that leads me to my second message, to all our leaders, federal and provincial, as well as those who are aspiring to lead our country: Start showing that spine and toughness. That’s what Canadians want to see — what they need to see. It’s called leadership. You need to lead. Canadians are ready to follow.

I know the spirit is there. Ever since Mr. Trump’s attacks, every political party is speaking out in favour of Canada. In fact, it is to my great satisfaction that even the Bloc Québécois is defending Canada.

But you don’t win a hockey game by only playing defence. We all know that even when we satisfy one demand, Mr. Trump will come back with another, bigger demand. That’s not diplomacy; it’s blackmail.

We need another approach — one that will break this cycle.

Mr. Trump has accomplished one thing: He has unified Canadians more than we have been ever before! All leaders across our country have united in resolve to defend Canadian interests.

When I came into office as prime minister, Canada faced a national unity crisis. The threat of Quebec separation was very real. We took action to deal with this existential threat in a manner that made Canadians, including Quebeckers, stronger, more united and even prouder of Canadian values.

Now there is another existential threat. And we once again need to reduce our vulnerability. That is the challenge for this generation of political leaders.

And you won’t accomplish it by using the same old approaches. Just like we did 30 years ago, we need a Plan B for 2025.

Yes, telling the Americans we are their best friends and closest trading partner is good. So is lobbying hard in Washington and the state capitals, pointing out that tariffs will hurt the American economy too. So are retaliatory tariffs — when you are attacked, you have to defend yourself.

But we also have to play offence. Let’s tell Mr. Trump that we too have border issues with the United States. Canada has tough gun control legislation, but illegal guns are pouring in from the U.S. We need to tell him that we expect the United States to act to reduce the number of guns crossing into Canada.

We also want to protect the Arctic. But the United States refuses to recognize the Northwest Passage, insisting that it is an international waterway, even though it flows through the Canadian Arctic as Canadian waters. We need the United States to recognize the Northwest Passage as being Canadian waters.

We also need to reduce Canada’s vulnerability in the first place. We need to be stronger. There are more trade barriers between provinces than between Canada and the United States. Let’s launch a national project to get rid of those barriers! And let’s strengthen the ties that bind this vast nation together through projects such as real national energy grid.

We also have to understand that Mr. Trump isn’t just threatening us; he’s also targeting a growing list of other countries, as well as the European Union itself, and he is just getting started.

Canada should quickly convene a meeting of the leaders of Denmark, Panama, Mexico, as well as with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, to formulate a plan for fighting back these threats.

Every time that Mr. Trump opens his mouth, he creates new allies for all of us. So let’s get organized! To fight back against a big, powerful bully, you need strength in numbers.

The whole point is not to wait in dread for Donald Trump’s next blow. It’s to build a country and an international community that can withstand those blows.

Canadians know me. They know I am an optimist. That I am practical. And that I always speak my mind. I made my share of mistakes over a long career, but I never for a moment doubted the decency of my fellow Canadians — or of my political opponents.

The current and future generations of political leaders should remember they are not each other’s enemies — they are opponents. Nobody ever loved the cut-and-thrust of politics more than me, but I always understood that each of us was trying to make a positive contribution to make our community or country a better place.

That spirit is more important now than ever, as we address this new challenge. Our leaders should keep that in mind.

I am 91 today and blessed with good health. I am ready at the ramparts to help defend the independence of our country as I have done all my life.

Vive le Canada!


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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Yesterday @ 11:06 AM ET
All hail the male tampon revolution! Equality for all!

https://fortune.com/2025/...-zuckerberg-donald-trump/

- bloatedmosquito

VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Yesterday @ 11:16 AM ET
🇨🇦
- NewYorkNuck


Too bad the Liberal Party is no longer relevant in Canada.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Yesterday @ 11:33 AM ET
Too bad the Liberal Party is no longer relevant in Canada.
- VanHockeyGuy


Never underestimate the liberal stranglehold on southern Ontario. As long as they vote liberal, that party will continue to be relevant. Carney is the kind of politician that southern Ontario love. He’s born in NWT, schooled in Alberta, worked under both liberal and conservative governments, ran big investment firms in the US, ran national banks in Canada and England.

If the libs are going to salvage any sign of life after the next election, Carney’s their best hope.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 11:59 AM ET
Lefty and lordmicropenis. My god they’re dumb.

This is not going to end well for the US or for Canada. BRICS alliance laughing their asses off right now. Mexico will likely join them soon.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 12:03 PM ET
Canada is a corrupt mess, the best thing that could happen to them is Trump destroys them economically, and the country breaks up or is absorbed into the US.
- Pacificgem


The US is in a tailspin. That’s the only reason Trump got in. He’s using the snot eating hillbilly’s of the US to gain power for himself. There is nothing he can do to pull the US out of this. They are no longer a super power. Their population is a bunch of uneducated entitled pop culture obsessed morons. They’re being left behind. Canada is no better. Both are (frank)ed.

BRICS is winning. The west is so indebted to the east it’s beyond repair. The US dynasty that once was is circling the drain.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 12:22 PM ET
Never underestimate the liberal stranglehold on southern Ontario. As long as they vote liberal, that party will continue to be relevant. Carney is the kind of politician that southern Ontario love. He’s born in NWT, schooled in Alberta, worked under both liberal and conservative governments, ran big investment firms in the US, ran national banks in Canada and England.

If the libs are going to salvage any sign of life after the next election, Carney’s their best hope.

- bloatedmosquito


Carney will definitely revive them a bit but not enough. He’s just more of the problem but like you said never underestimate Southern Ontario. I mean the idiot thought it would be a good idea to show up to his big reveal to the press to announce his candidacy in a stretch rolls Royce ffs.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 12:25 PM ET
“Here’s the thing about Donald Trump’s erratic tariff policy: Trump isn’t going to make corporate billionaires pay for these tariffs – working families and small businesses will. He’s using American workers as pawns in his petty political games,”

Simplified, the country in question won't pay the tariffs, the importer will. Like your grocery store.

- VanHockeyGuy


US farm states are shuddering right now. They’re (frank)ed. His last term all the tariffs collected went to bail out farmers. What is the point?

Alll the US manufacturers are not happy either. Their costs all go up again and they lose out on business. It’s lunacy. But Trumps base cheer because the actually don’t know what a tariff is or how it works. I mean he literally said “tariffs are going to make us so rich”. How is paying yourself with your own money going to make you rich???
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Yesterday @ 12:33 PM ET
“Here’s the thing about Donald Trump’s erratic tariff policy: Trump isn’t going to make corporate billionaires pay for these tariffs – working families and small businesses will. He’s using American workers as pawns in his petty political games,”

Simplified, the country in question won't pay the tariffs, the importer will. Like your grocery store.

- VanHockeyGuy


Countries are starting to troll Trump and I’m here for it.

20% of American adults are on Ozempic. That’s not surprising as we all know the entire country is full of fat, disgusting people. Ozempic is manufactured in Denmark. Greenland is a Denmark protectorate.

If Trump continues his ridiculous stance on Greenland, Denmark will cut supply of Ozempic to the US.

If that happens, watch all the MAGA fatties lose their blubbery shit.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Yesterday @ 12:35 PM ET
US farm states are shuddering right now. They’re (frank)ed. His last term all the tariffs collected went to bail out farmers. What is the point?

Alll the US manufacturers are not happy either. Their costs all go up again and they lose out on business. It’s lunacy. But Trumps base cheer because the actually don’t know what a tariff is or how it works. I mean he literally said “tariffs are going to make us so rich”. How is paying yourself with your own money going to make you rich???

- TurdFergeson


This is so true and so very sad.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 12:44 PM ET
Countries are starting to troll Trump and I’m here for it.

20% of American adults are on Ozempic. That’s not surprising as we all know the entire country is full of fat, disgusting people. Ozempic is manufactured in Denmark. Greenland is a Denmark protectorate.

If Trump continues his ridiculous stance on Greenland, Denmark will cut supply of Ozempic to the US.

If that happens, watch all the MAGA fatties lose their blubbery shit.

- bloatedmosquito

It's amazing how many people are taking this, I didn't even know what it was but this guy at work has lost 65lbs and he's telling me about it. I wanted to ask him why he just doesn't stop eating so much, but he's a nice man in his late 50's and I didn't want to offend him.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 12:45 PM ET
Senator Marco Rubio@SenMarcoRubio

Canada allowing Gazan refugees with potential terrorist ties into their country poses a national security threat to the U.S. northern border.

In a letter with colleagues, urged Sec Mayorkas to heighten precautions along the border.


Why is Trudeau still allowing this?
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 12:56 PM ET
This is so true and so very sad.
- bloatedmosquito


He finally admitted on Truth social that this tariff war is going to be painful for Americans. He’s been saying all along it won’t be inflationary and it will make them rich and bring back American jobs. They ate up the rhetoric and now will see the reality.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 1:02 PM ET
This is so true and so very sad.
- bloatedmosquito

On both sides of the border, people all over Canadian social media think Trump's tariffs apply to them. It's just a shit situation for consumers on both sides of the border, it's gonna make life more expensive on both sides. The common people are the ones who are going to pay the price.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Yesterday @ 1:03 PM ET
Senator Marco Rubio@SenMarcoRubio

Canada allowing Gazan refugees with potential terrorist ties into their country poses a national security threat to the U.S. northern border.

In a letter with colleagues, urged Sec Mayorkas to heighten precautions along the border.

Why is Trudeau still allowing this?

- Pacificgem


The one thing Republicans do well is ‘dog whistle’.

How many Hamas refugees were accepted into each country last year? I looked it up. Curious to know if you did before posting what could be propaganda. Not saying it is, but these days a little bit of research can decipher if truthful or just BS.

Let me know the numbers you find and then I’ll post mine.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 1:06 PM ET
On both sides of the border, people all over Canadian social media think Trump's tariffs apply to them. It's just a shit situation for consumers on both sides of the border, it's gonna make life more expensive on both sides. The common people are the ones who are going to pay the price.
- Pacificgem


But but but… Trump said tariffs are not inflationary and are going to make America rich!! Which is it?
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 1:07 PM ET
The one thing Republicans do well is ‘dog whistle’.

How many Hamas refugees were accepted into each country last year? I looked it up. Curious to know if you did before posting what could be propaganda. Not saying it is, but these days a little bit of research can decipher if truthful or just BS.

Let me know the numbers you find and then I’ll post mine.

- bloatedmosquito

Last year is irrelevant, Democrats were in power, they aren't now. They had very similar open border policies as Trudeau does. This is all happening because of a change in power and new policies.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 1:07 PM ET
The one thing Republicans do well is ‘dog whistle’.

How many Hamas refugees were accepted into each country last year? I looked it up. Curious to know if you did before posting what could be propaganda. Not saying it is, but these days a little bit of research can decipher if truthful or just BS.

Let me know the numbers you find and then I’ll post mine.

- bloatedmosquito


Your source will just be a liberal mouthpiece though I’m sure will be the response from LMP.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 1:09 PM ET
But but but… Trump said tariffs are not inflationary and are going to make America rich!! Which is it?
- TurdFergeson

Who cares what he says, he spews a lot of rhetoric. Everyone knows this is just going to hurt consumers on both sides of the border. I've never heard or read anyone saying this will make America rich? Can you provide some context to that statement?
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 1:09 PM ET
Last year is irrelevant, Democrats were in power, they aren't now. This is all happening because of a change in power and new policies.
- Pacificgem


You do realize Canadas immigration policies have now changed too? So last year isn’t relevant for the US but it is for Canada??
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Yesterday @ 1:10 PM ET
The clowns newest rant!

TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 1:11 PM ET
Who cares what he says, he spews a lot of rhetoric. Everyone knows this is just going to hurt consumers on both sides of the border. I've never heard or read anyone saying this will make America rich? Can you provide some context to that statement?
- Pacificgem


https://www.businessinsid...-consumers-economy-2025-1
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 1:11 PM ET
You do realize Canadas immigration policies have now changed too? So last year isn’t relevant for the US but it is for Canada??
- TurdFergeson

Yes, but they're speaking to the specific number of Gazan refugees Trudeau is taking in. It's not a broad statement on immigration policies.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Yesterday @ 1:11 PM ET
Who cares what he says, he spews a lot of rhetoric. Everyone knows this is just going to hurt consumers on both sides of the border. I've never heard or read anyone saying this will make America rich? Can you provide some context to that statement?
- Pacificgem


So be it.
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