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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 5 @ 2:59 PM ET
My wife and both our daughters are voting for the Poo-boy...so there's three women you can count for trying to stop the stupidity in Canada. Regardless of whether or not they like Poilievre, the country needs to go in a different direction and change before it's too late. It might already be?
- Pacificgem

Sorry, I forgot to say 'women living outside of gated communities' hate Poo Lever.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 5 @ 3:29 PM ET
Sorry, I forgot to say 'women living outside of gated communities' hate Poo Lever.
- Marwood

Oh...you mean poor women? I should've known.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Apr 5 @ 4:43 PM ET
My wife and both our daughters are voting for the Poo-boy...so there's three women you can count for trying to stop the stupidity in Canada. Regardless of whether or not they like Poilievre, the country needs to go in a different direction and change before it's too late. It might already be?
- Pacificgem


For someone who doesn’t live here, or follow politics you sure seem to string opinions about what’s going on.

We’re doing fine, you should stop worrying about us and focus more on making sure not to piss off the guy in the Dodge Ram truck with the concealed carry license.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Apr 5 @ 5:51 PM ET
For someone who doesn’t live here, or follow politics you sure seem to string opinions about what’s going on.

We’re doing fine, you should stop worrying about us and focus more on making sure not to piss off the guy in the Dodge Ram truck with the concealed carry license.

- 1970vintage



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golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 5 @ 6:09 PM ET
My wife and both our daughters are voting for the Poo-boy...so there's three women you can count for trying to stop the stupidity in Canada. Regardless of whether or not they like Poilievre, the country needs to go in a different direction and change before it's too late. It might already be?
- Pacificgem


It's not too late and not everything introduced by Trudeau is as bad as you portray. A change is overdue, but it's not like there are a bunch of stellar alternatives.

The absolute worst thing we could see is Poilievre winning a majority. Turning everything back isn't the solution, we need to move forward progressively. A conservative minority could achieve that without radical change.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 5 @ 6:11 PM ET
Oh...you mean poor women? I should've known.
- Pacificgem


I'm not poor, neither is my 15 year old daughter. She'd probably school you in a debate of Canadian politics and she's no poilievre fan.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Apr 5 @ 6:36 PM ET
I'm not poor, neither is my 15 year old daughter. She'd probably school you in a debate of Canadian politics and she's no poilievre fan.
- golfingsince


To me, anyone campaigning on identity politics is a hard no. It just doesn’t belong in the political discourse. You want to talk about solving the affordable living crisis, or toxic drugs, or international support for warring nations, or trade, hell, I’m here for a carbon tax debate, but if you’re going to vote for a particular candidate because they’re not going to let girls with penises compete in school sports, (frank) off.

Having said that, I’m in favor of competitive sports being sex based, rather than gender based. My son played co-ed house hockey from novice to midget. There were girls on our team almost every year. But in rep hockey, there shouldn’t be 17 year old biological males playing girls hockey.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 5 @ 6:45 PM ET
To me, anyone campaigning on identity politics is a hard no. It just doesn’t belong in the political discourse. You want to talk about solving the affordable living crisis, or toxic drugs, or international support for warring nations, or trade, hell, I’m here for a carbon tax debate, but if you’re going to vote for a particular candidate because they’re not going to let girls with penises compete in school sports, (frank) off.

Having said that, I’m in favor of competitive sports being sex based, rather than gender based. My son played co-ed house hockey from novice to midget. There were girls on our team almost every year. But in rep hockey, there shouldn’t be 17 year old biological males playing girls hockey.

- 1970vintage

I mostly agree.

I'm not sure how I''d feel if my 15 year old daughter had 17-18 year old males on her rugby team though. I guess I could always pull her out of the program if I felt it was a safety issue.

It really isn't a driving force for my vote however.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 5 @ 7:13 PM ET
For someone who doesn’t live here, or follow politics you sure seem to string opinions about what’s going on.

We’re doing fine, you should stop worrying about us and focus more on making sure not to piss off the guy in the Dodge Ram truck with the concealed carry license.

- 1970vintage

It drives conversation. Mostly in jest, but I think I will vote, just to piss most of you off.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 5 @ 7:14 PM ET
It's not too late and not everything introduced by Trudeau is as bad as you portray. A change is overdue, but it's not like there are a bunch of stellar alternatives.

The absolute worst thing we could see is Poilievre winning a majority. Turning everything back isn't the solution, we need to move forward progressively. A conservative minority could achieve that without radical change.

- golfingsince

I’d love to see a massive majority just so I can stand on the sidelines and see what happens.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 5 @ 7:16 PM ET
I'm not poor, neither is my 15 year old daughter. She'd probably school you in a debate of Canadian politics and she's no poilievre fan.
- golfingsince

I was having a little joke with Marwood, it’s our poor vs gated community thing, but thanks for chiming in.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 5 @ 7:17 PM ET
I’d love to see a massive majority just so I can stand on the sidelines and see what happens.
- Pacificgem


I'd just rather see the place get better.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 5 @ 7:38 PM ET
I'd just rather see the place get better.
- golfingsince

I think it’ll get better regardless, just by simply making life more affordable, less tax, you’ll see a positive change. Most average Canadians, like you and I, we put our noses down and work hard for our families, you don’t get caught up in the fluff on a daily basis. Until you go somewhere else you don’t realize how expensive life is there. And trust me, it’s very expensive to be a middle class Canadian.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 5 @ 7:58 PM ET
For someone who doesn’t live here, or follow politics you sure seem to string opinions about what’s going on.

We’re doing fine, you should stop worrying about us and focus more on making sure not to piss off the guy in the Dodge Ram truck with the concealed carry license.

- 1970vintage

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 5 @ 7:59 PM ET
I think it’ll get better regardless, just by simply making life more affordable, less tax, you’ll see a positive change. Most average Canadians, like you and I, we put our noses down and work hard for our families, you don’t get caught up in the fluff on a daily basis. Until you go somewhere else you don’t realize how expensive life is there. And trust me, it’s very expensive to be a middle class Canadian.
- Pacificgem


I don't see massive tax cuts as a positive change, and I'm a guy that pays more than his fair share of taxes. I would like to see a shift from personal taxes towards investment income. More importantly, the tax dollars need to be simplified so there is far less bureaucratic waste.

I'd also still like to see corporations pay more tax, but there's a proper way to do it to balance environment and premium job creation. That's where tax credits come in, which can all be offered in scale.

My wife works in social development, and the excess and downright laziness is appalling. It really makes you wonder why so many of these people are allowed to have more children, as controversial as that might sound.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 6 @ 10:59 AM ET

- A_SteamingLombardi

The jokes on him, you don't need a concealed carry license in Arizona to carry a concealed firearm, its a constitutional carry state, which means the second amendment of the constitution says you have to right to bear arms, so you don't need a permit.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 6 @ 11:17 AM ET
The jokes on him, you don't need a concealed carry license in Arizona to carry a concealed firearm, its a constitutional carry state, which means the second amendment of the constitution says you have to right to bear arms, so you don't need a permit.
- Pacificgem

So, really the jokes on you for living in a country of daily mass killings. Enjoy breakfast.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 6 @ 11:17 AM ET
I don't see massive tax cuts as a positive change, and I'm a guy that pays more than his fair share of taxes. I would like to see a shift from personal taxes towards investment income. More importantly, the tax dollars need to be simplified so there is far less bureaucratic waste.

I'd also still like to see corporations pay more tax, but there's a proper way to do it to balance environment and premium job creation. That's where tax credits come in, which can all be offered in scale.

My wife works in social development, and the excess and downright laziness is appalling. It really makes you wonder why so many of these people are allowed to have more children, as controversial as that might sound.

- golfingsince

From my personal experiences, Canada is one of the most wasteful bureaucratic nations I've ever witnessed. There are so many useless workers with nothing, or very little, to do. Oil companies are the same, half the people in our office work three hours of an eight hour work day. But as the old saying goes, "it's better to be lookin at em, than lookin for em"....when it's busy you are glad they are there.

I went through the Edmonton International airport last year when I went up there for a meeting, when I left for my return flight home, I was checked by FOUR screening people within a 40 foot straight line area. What a complete waste of money, why are there four people to do this? In Canada the cost of airport security and screening is paid for, in full, by passengers through ticketing. At least according to the report I'll attach below. Those four people probably make 50-60K a year. In the US I have to go through one security ID checkpoint to get into the airport. No wonder air travel in the US is so much less expensive.

https://www.sciencedirect...20of%20airport%20security.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 6 @ 11:18 AM ET
So, really the jokes on you for living in a country of daily mass killings. Enjoy breakfast.
- Marwood

It's just drug dealers and riff raff, they serve no purpose anyway. And by the way, breakfast is over, it's almost lunch time.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Apr 9 @ 10:59 PM ET
It's just drug dealers and riff raff, they serve no purpose anyway. And by the way, breakfast is over, it's almost lunch time.
- Pacificgem


is it acceptable to have hot dogs for breakfast, or just lunch and dinner?
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 10 @ 12:48 AM ET
is it acceptable to have hot dogs for breakfast, or just lunch and dinner?
- Codes1087

All of the above, just never in the salt water pool featuring a waterfall.

Hope you and the fam are well, son.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Apr 15 @ 7:21 PM ET
From my personal experiences, Canada is one of the most wasteful bureaucratic nations I've ever witnessed. There are so many useless workers with nothing, or very little, to do. Oil companies are the same, half the people in our office work three hours of an eight hour work day. But as the old saying goes, "it's better to be lookin at em, than lookin for em"....when it's busy you are glad they are there.

I went through the Edmonton International airport last year when I went up there for a meeting, when I left for my return flight home, I was checked by FOUR screening people within a 40 foot straight line area. What a complete waste of money, why are there four people to do this? In Canada the cost of airport security and screening is paid for, in full, by passengers through ticketing. At least according to the report I'll attach below. Those four people probably make 50-60K a year. In the US I have to go through one security ID checkpoint to get into the airport. No wonder air travel in the US is so much less expensive.

https://www.sciencedirect...20of%20airport%20security.

- Pacificgem



You don't think it has something to do with economies of scale?
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 15 @ 7:50 PM ET
You don't think it has something to do with economies of scale?

- dbot



Welcome dbot. Hope you stick around.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Apr 17 @ 6:51 PM ET
Oh this should go over well! No interest, for some.

NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Apr 18 @ 2:54 AM ET
Oh this should go over well! No interest, for some.


- VanHockeyGuy


What the (frank) does that even mean?
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