Why would you say Kampf is an AHL’er? Kruger wasn’t an AHL’er and Kampf looks like a reasonable replacement for him.
- HawkintheD

I m just not as high on him as other people are thats all. Let ask you this question who would rather have kampf or paquttee?

Hughs may be the better player in the long run, but you can’t convince me that Kakko isn’t the more developed player at this point in time.
- walleyeb1

If I were NJ, I'd have a real hard time picking Hughes, even though he may be the better player over the course of their careers.

That’s not my point though. Why is THIS non-call causing so much angst? Every year, when the playoffs start, there are dozens non-calls that would be obvious penalties in the regular season that affect the outcome of games.

Usually there is a large contingent of fans that are ok with this because they want the refs to “allow the players to decide the outcome of the game”. Yet this particular non-call seems to have struck a universal nerve, including with many of those same people who are normally ok with minimal “interference” from the on-ice officials. A trip or a slash is just as illegal as a hand pass (more so actually as there is no PP awarded as the result of a hand pass) yet many of the people upset with the missed call last night would be less upset if a more serious infraction went uncalled.

I just find it interesting.
- Ogilthorpe2

AMEN

because he has more value to a budget team as a Bottom 6 player owed 2 years at 2.5 per year then the hawks at 2 years and 4.55 per year. lets take car and Az. both of those teams have a internal budget that is probably 70 mil range and they both are good young teams. would you rather have Dzingel at 5 mil for 5 years $25 with a NMC for 2 years, or AA for 2 years and 5mil total? I know we would not get allot for him maybe 3rd in 2020 or prospect. he also is going UFA so he is not going to effect your exp draft. he just is going to have way more value to other teams then to the hawks.

I mention the NMC because all the UFA's are going to try and get it for 2 years + so they are not going to seattle. or they at least can control if they goto seattle. its another reason why some UFA's might not get the offers they want.
- kmw4631

According to Cap Friedly AA has a $2 mil bonus due on July 1. If the Hawks pay that it counts against next years cap. If you pay Dzingel $5mil per year the first year is really costing you $7 mil. Next year would you rather have AA at $4.55mil cap hit or Dzingel at $5 mil, AA's $2 mil cap hit and a 3rd round pick (for AA)?

I m just not as high on him as other people are thats all. Let ask you this question who would rather have kampf or paquttee?
- Scott1977

Kampf

I was all aboard the 'Trade AA' train but now I'm not so sure. Maybe the Hawks keep Anisimov for one more season. I am leary of signing any of the current UFAs to big money deals. Plus, if AA can be expansion draft fodder then all the better. The Hawks could do worse than Anisimov on the 3rd line, the overall centre depth of 19/17/15/64 is pretty solid. Should they draft Cozens or Turcotte (yes it would be crazy to not draft Caufield) the depth improves.
- DarthKane

This.
Are we focusing on improving team D and PK. Sign a Tanev type. Trade for a Frolik type. Caggiula, Kampf, Tanev, Frolik, AA, Kahun are a pretty decent bottom 6. The Hawks would be much more defensively sound and have PK pieces without a big cash outlay (overpay).

Save cap space for a top 4 dman and buying a rental at the TDL if things are going well.

If I were NJ, I'd have a real hard time picking Hughes, even though he may be the better player over the course of their careers.
- tvetter

Shero has a connection with the Hughes family, I think he played with the father.

According to Cap Friedly AA has a $2 mil bonus due on July 1. If the Hawks pay that it counts against next years cap. If you pay Dzingel $5mil per year the first year is really costing you $7 mil. Next year would you rather have AA at $4.55mil cap hit or Dzingel at $5 mil, AA's $2 mil cap hit and a 3rd round pick (for AA)?
- -Doh-

That $2M would not count against our cap..see Marcus Kruger after he was traded to Vegas.

According to Cap Friedly AA has a $2 mil bonus due on July 1. If the Hawks pay that it counts against next years cap. If you pay Dzingel $5mil per year the first year is really costing you $7 mil. Next year would you rather have AA at $4.55mil cap hit or Dzingel at $5 mil, AA's $2 mil cap hit and a 3rd round pick (for AA)?
- -Doh-

my understanding is that it would not. it was discussed last year about a player that was traded mid season after a team had paid a big signing bonus but the new team had to take all the AAV but only owed a fraction of the money.

my understanding is that it would not. it was discussed last year about a player that was traded mid season after a team had paid a big signing bonus but the new team had to take all the AAV but only owed a fraction of the money.
- kmw4631

I am not sure. Performance bonuses count against the salary cap as soon as they are earned. The leagues fiscal year begins on July 1st.

I am not sure. Performance bonuses count against the salary cap as soon as they are earned. The leagues fiscal year begins on July 1st.
- -Doh-

Only salary retained counts against the cap, not salary paid.

I am not sure. Performance bonuses count against the salary cap as soon as they are earned. The leagues fiscal year begins on July 1st.
- -Doh-

Performance bonuses added on to ELC contracts count against the cap. In Anisimov's case the 2M bonus is paid by the Hawks on July 1. If he is traded after that his contract's AAV of 4.5M is carried by the acquiring club even though they will pay him only 2.5M throughout the season.

Edit - To summarize if Hawks trade AA they save his full 4.5M AAV off their cap even though they had a cash outlay of 2M.

What to posters think of Spezza as a 3C? 1 or 2 year contract. Good size. Good at the dot. Decent speed still. Decent advance stats. 1 or 2 year contract. Is he still a $5 mil guy? more? less?
- -Doh-

I don't think he has decent speed now, if he ever did. I'd rather have Anisimov.

- DarthKane

LOL is that Q pulling Forsberg after two goals . .

LOL is that Q pulling Forsberg after two goals . .
- oldduffman

I wouldn't mind seeing some of that fire from Colliton next year. A coach can't change the last call but can give the refs something to think about on the next one.

I think we're pretty sure we'll be happy with whomever Stan selects - almost a can't lose scenario.
- EbonyRaptor

Are you serious? As soon as the pick is made there will be female doging about it on here

Kruger played big in big games....not as much on the scoresheet but his compete level was/is very high.

Even this year when he was asked about the Hawks tanking or simply "develop" players. His response was he was pissed- and rightfully so.

While JJ thought Kruger was way better than what he was/is - his play/compete level is something I dont see from Kampf as some sort of Kruger "replacement"

If Kampf is anything more than a 4th liner/12th or 13th forward, fine. But JC plugs him higher than that, and I dont see anything out of him that shows he deserves it.
- PatShart

This. Kampf is a slightly better Hayden. Neither are required

LOL is that Q pulling Forsberg after two goals . .
- oldduffman

Ruined Forsbergs career too. Luckily you're here to let him suck your tit and nurse him back to stardom.

I’m thinking a lot of people female doging about the missed hand pass call are hypocrites.

So let’s say instead of a hand pass there was a blatant trip (or hook, cross check, slash etc) that allowed the Sharks player the time/space/possession needed to advance the puck to his teammate for the game winning goal. There would be plenty of people saying “the refs didn’t want to affect the outcome”, or “Let the players decide it on the ice”, or my favorite “just let them play”. So why the universal outrage at this no -call? All they did is what a seemingly large portion of league fandom wants. They just let them play.

Now I’ve always thought those kind of people were nuts, and that by not making a call that might change the outcome of the game, refs frequently end up changing the outcome of games...which is exactly what happened last night. But why are so many people who would’ve been ok with not calling a trip in that moment be so upset that they didn’t call the hand pass?

Honest question.
- Ogilthorpe2

I was with you earlier, who cares, F the blues

Kruger played big in big games....not as much on the scoresheet but his compete level was/is very high.

Even this year when he was asked about the Hawks tanking or simply "develop" players. His response was he was pissed- and rightfully so.

While JJ thought Kruger was way better than what he was/is - his play/compete level is something I dont see from Kampf as some sort of Kruger "replacement"

If Kampf is anything more than a 4th liner/12th or 13th forward, fine. But JC plugs him higher than that, and I dont see anything out of him that shows he deserves it.
- PatShart

He was a perfect 4C and PK'r on a team in position to win the cup.

This whole idea that Caufield is a top 10 pick is an overreaction to ADB not being drafted in the first round. Caufield is no ADB. Caufield had an amazing U-18 tournament but IMO lacks the track record that ADB had when drafted. When drafted, ADB had already played in the OHL on the top line with McDavid. Although I think the US Developmental team is vastly improved over the last decade and is now producing top notch prospects, its still not the OHL. One spectacular tournament should not be the reason to draft Caufield at No. 3.
- hankscorpio

There is no doubt that Caufield is an amazing skillful goal scoring machine and one can reasonably believe he could produce at the NHL level should he be able to adjust to the big man's game.

Playing one season as a collegiate is probably a good stepping stone since he will be introduced to a more tightly played game where defensively and physicality is emphasisized in both his team's effort as well as the opponents effort to contain his feats. Yes collegiate hockey is not as free flowing as junior hockey.

But can we put Caufield's challenge into an even more meaningful actual comparison scenario. So let us consider Caufield against J Hughes. Specifically, the reports that suggest that Hughes is going to have to adjust to playing in a land of guants. Furthermore that he is so skilled that he probably garners some pp points but he certainly is not going to come in and start scoring a lot right away.

Ok now keep in mind that Hughes is both a playmaker and goal scorer. He needs to have the puck. Caufield is more just the goal scorer. Few puck touches than J Hughes.

Next as a collegiate Caufield will need to learn the art - or begin to work at his escapability from checks and physical confrontations. He picks his spots to do battle. But does he become passive or avoid physical confrontations like TT while he was in a Chicago sweater?

There are obstacles for Caufield to overcome
Transltion to NHL is no piece of cake.

Ruined Forsbergs career too. Luckily you're here to let him suck your tit and nurse him back to stardom.
- GPHawksfan

Wow you need to lighten up Pal or you will be in need of a nurse /shrink to deal with your anger management problems . I bet Q illogical treatment of Forsberg at the start of the year ,was one of the Straws that broke the back of Q time here .

I wouldn't mind seeing some of that fire from Colliton next year. A coach can't change the last call but can give the refs something to think about on the next one.
- boilermaker100

I agree .

I wouldn't mind seeing some of that fire from Colliton next year. A coach can't change the last call but can give the refs something to think about on the next one.
- boilermaker100

People gotta be who they are - if he’s gonna be a quality Cup-competitive coach, it’s going to be with HIS personality - if he tries to be what he’s not, he will come off as not genuine - and the players in the room will know it.

Wow you need to lighten up Pal or you will be in need of a nurse /shrink to deal with your anger management problems . I bet Q illogical treatment of Forsberg at the start of the year ,was one of the Straws that broke the back of Q time here .
- oldduffman

You have no idea about anything to do with the Blackhawks. Leave it at that. Now back to the park to yell at pigeons for you.