At this point I want to see St Louis win it. I would rather the Sharks win than the Bruins, but after 2 game 7s basically handed to them by the refs, I don't really think they deserve to be there.
- prock

Naw man, Bruins all the way.. This is their year.. Then Marchand can get another tattoo that says 2019 Cup Champs.

Alright Leaf GMs:


8.8M to sign Marner, Kap, Johnsson.

Also need 2-3 Fowards and 1-2 Defensemen.


Get to work!


https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs
- RedRevenge

so... question to a non-Leaf fan...

1) how many times have you heard or read about a possible offer sheet for Marner? (i'm not looking for an absolute answer here - more of spit balling type response)
2) how many times have you heard about offer sheets for Charlie McAvoy?
again - spit ball
3) what is a more valuable commodity? a top end #1 defenseman or a potential 100 pt winger?
4) if Marner is worth 10M -- what is McAvoy worth?

Or the fact that I don't have to prove anything to you?
- TrashPanda

Ok. Fair enough.

Dreamworld it is.

I'm completely aware. I just wanted him to explain...

The thing is, the Leafs can't even sign Marner to his 10M contract. Nylander moving sounds the most logical because he's will give cap space + something small back (probably a low 1st round). If this were to happen then the Leafs would have 15.7M cap space. Enough to sign Marner + Kap? Unsure how much Kap will get. Team would still would need money to sign Jonsson and another defensemen.

If you try to dump a worst contract on a team, then you will need to give up assets. I don't know how much value Kadri has after his last series costing suspension.

I'm wishing the Leafs luck on this one because I know how the cap comes and rips apart teams.
- RedRevenge

Well at least you won cups prior to that happening.
The leafs have won........my heart, rage and apathy.

Ok. Fair enough.

Dreamworld it is.
- Scabeh

IIRC, they didn't apologize to the Leafs, I think they called both teams and talked about the officiating, then the 2 refs were banished from playoff hockey.

I'm completely aware. I just wanted him to explain...

The thing is, the Leafs can't even sign Marner to his 10M contract. Nylander moving sounds the most logical because he's will give cap space + something small back (probably a low 1st round). If this were to happen then the Leafs would have 15.7M cap space. Enough to sign Marner + Kap? Unsure how much Kap will get. Team would still would need money to sign Jonsson and another defensemen.

If you try to dump a worst contract on a team, then you will need to give up assets. I don't know how much value Kadri has after his last series costing suspension.

I'm wishing the Leafs luck on this one because I know how the cap comes and rips apart teams.
- RedRevenge

Dumping assets does not require including a player like Kadri. You're dreaming.

A couple of players like Zaitsev and Brown may get given away, for near free, but that's about all.

go find trades of a similar nature from previous years and you'll see, it doesn't cost what you think it does.

its not an argument, I fully recognize that no Bruin fan, whether reasonable or complete Richard is going to acknowledge bias in officiating. Not Leaf would do the same - IF they were in the same situation.

what I'm identifying is a difference between and obvious missed call (such as the hand pass in the Sharks-Blues game) which had a direct and almost immediate impact

versus

a set of ignored infractions on the part of the officials (can't say they missed them because the officials were queried about them and suggested that they weren't penalties in their opinion after the fact)... the knee by Debrusk, the cross check by Kuraly on Muzzin, the Chara cowardly cheap shot on Tavares in the scrum, the Chara jump and elbow on Muzzin... and I won't even reference Marchand's garbage.

I do find it curious that Kadri suspension for 3-5 games for a head shot/cross check was handed out so generously ... but it took a day and half for the league to actually issue a statement... probably because they knew their was mitigating circumstances.

I'm not going to give you the commentary that any of these infractions being properly called would have changed the outcome of the series, I leave that up to individuals to judge for themselves.

But you simply cannot ignore the fact that there multiple "dangerous hit" type infractions that were not met with appropriate penalties or suspension. To say the Bruins haven't benefited from shyte/uneven/unbalanced or just plain crap officiating would be dumb.

What was Marchand attempting to do with his stick wrapped around Williams neck - or was that just a "hockey play"?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Officiating has always been different between the playoffs and the regular season though. It probably shouldn’t, but that’s reality of the NHL world we live in.

Chara hitting Tavares was dumb. Then again it went uncalled against us in the CBJ series and then some Bruin did it to someone in the Carolina series and it went uncalled. Might have been Marchand - I really don’t remember.

McAvoy’s hit was suspension worthy and It should be a game misconduct, but the only way they can actually call that is if they deem there was deliberate intention to injure Anderson and therefore worthy of a match penalty. Great, let’s leave another judgement call to the refs. Stupid.

Point is, and this really isn’t news, playoff hockey is different whether right or wrong idk - that’s a whole different argument.

IIRC, they didn't apologize to the Leafs, I think they called both teams and talked about the officiating, then the 2 refs were banished from playoff hockey.
- PatC80

I do remember the officiating being bad in that game and you're most likely right about the whole "gone for the playoffs thing"

Wouldn't shock me to have the league talk to both teams either.

But there's a big difference between what you said and claiming the league apologized to the Leafs.

I'm completely aware. I just wanted him to explain...

The thing is, the Leafs can't even sign Marner to his 10M contract. Nylander moving sounds the most logical because he's will give cap space + something small back (probably a low 1st round). If this were to happen then the Leafs would have 15.7M cap space. Enough to sign Marner + Kap? Unsure how much Kap will get. Team would still would need money to sign Jonsson and another defensemen.

If you try to dump a worst contract on a team, then you will need to give up assets. I don't know how much value Kadri has after his last series costing suspension.

I'm wishing the Leafs luck on this one because I know how the cap comes and rips apart teams.
- RedRevenge

the beauty of the Leafs CAP situation is the author of it is still the GM - and I believe this situation gives Dubas a great opportunity to show he can learn from his part errors in judgement and from watching guys before him.

clearly, and with very good reasons the Leafs would chose to keep Marner over Nylander if it comes to that.

clearly, it isn't up to the Leafs as to where Marleau plays next year - that's up to Marleau

clearly both Kapanen and Johnsson are good/very good middle six wingers - who combined will not cost as much as what Nylander costs.

clearly the Leafs have disproportionately too much allocated to fowards versus defense from a CAP perspective.

clearly the core of the team - the top 5 or 6 players does not include the Leafs 3rd highest paid player (Currently) Nylander.

don't have to be genius to identify which chip to play.

Alright Leaf GMs:


8.8M to sign Marner, Kap, Johnsson.

Also need 2-3 Fowards and 1-2 Defensemen.


Get to work!


https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs
- RedRevenge

You should maybe learn to read this sort of thing first.

Those numbers include Horton.

so unless you think he will miraculously strap on the skates again next year, your numbers are wrong.

I do remember the officiating being bad in that game and you're most likely right about the whole "gone for the playoffs thing"

Wouldn't shock me to have the league talk to both teams either.

But there's a big difference between what you said and claiming the league apologized to the Leafs.
- Scabeh

It could have been.. Maybe Bettman called the Leafs and said, "We are sorry that you have Kadri, you should probably look into trading him"

so... question to a non-Leaf fan...

1) how many times have you heard or read about a possible offer sheet for Marner? (i'm not looking for an absolute answer here - more of spit balling type response)
2) how many times have you heard about offer sheets for Charlie McAvoy?
again - spit ball
3) what is a more valuable commodity? a top end #1 defenseman or a potential 100 pt winger?
4) if Marner is worth 10M -- what is McAvoy worth?
- BorjeFan4Ever

#1 Offer sheeting Marner is silly. Marner will be signed by his team or will be traded (highly unlikely). Anyone telling you that he is going to get offer sheeted is trolling, or doesn't know what their talking about. Offer sheet for him would give the Leafs 4 1st round picks. No team would give that much up for him.

#2 Never heard about offer sheets for him. Though I expect him to get around 6-7M (around trouba's last contract).

#3 #1 Defensemen is worth more.

#4 Marner is worth 10 M, he's not the best winger in the world (Kane is right now.). McAvoy should get paid around 6-7 M. It's his first contract after ELC.

Your comments never get old
- Santo_44

Leafs in 5.

Never gets old.

I do remember the officiating being bad in that game and you're most likely right about the whole "gone for the playoffs thing"

Wouldn't shock me to have the league talk to both teams either.

But there's a big difference between what you said and claiming the league apologized to the Leafs.
- Scabeh

who knows what was said, who cares. It's over and done with.

the playoffs have been weird the last couple of years. Many teams that you don't really think should go deep, have been doing so.

You should maybe learn to read this sort of thing first.

Those numbers include Horton.

so unless you think he will miraculously strap on the skates again next year, your numbers are wrong.
- prock

The Leafs cannot move Horton to LTIR until the season starts. They need to be under the cap with his contract. This happened to the Blackhawks a few years back with Hossa's contract.

It could have been.. Maybe Bettman called the Leafs and said, "We are sorry that you have Kadri, you should probably look into trading him"
- PatC80

Maybe.

who knows what was said, who cares. It's over and done with.

the playoffs have been weird the last couple of years. Many teams that you don't really think should go deep, have been doing so.
- prock

I'm doing pretty poorly in my playoffs prediction this year.

My soon to be 5 year old son is beating me for the 2nd year in a row.....

He had San Jose winning the cup from the start.

Only the Blues can save me now.

Alright Leaf GMs:


8.8M to sign Marner, Kap, Johnsson.

Also need 2-3 Fowards and 1-2 Defensemen.


Get to work!


https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs
- RedRevenge

OHOH

Officiating has always been different between the playoffs and the regular season though. It probably shouldn’t, but that’s reality of the NHL world we live in.

Chara hitting Tavares was dumb. Then again it went uncalled against us in the CBJ series and then some Bruin did it to someone in the Carolina series and it went uncalled. Might have been Marchand - I really don’t remember.

McAvoy’s hit was suspension worthy and It should be a game misconduct, but the only way they can actually call that is if they deem there was deliberate intention to injure Anderson and therefore worthy of a match penalty. Great, let’s leave another judgement call to the refs. Stupid.

Point is, and this really isn’t news, playoff hockey is different whether right or wrong idk - that’s a whole different argument.
- RickJames77

I don't disagree with your assertion... but as is always the case - you (not just you in general) are overlooking or ignoring the "what Chara did was dumb"... the correct completion of the sentence is "and should have been penalized".

what Kadri did was dumb - and should have been appropriately penalized?
what Kuraly did was dumb and should have been appropriately penalized?
what McAvoy did was dumb and should have been appropriately penalized?
again, I won't mention rat boy

but ... where is the inconsistency in these statements?

IIRC, they didn't apologize to the Leafs, I think they called both teams and talked about the officiating, then the 2 refs were banished from playoff hockey.
- PatC80

thye got the hot toe because they were making the favoritism to the bruins too obvious.

The Leafs cannot move Horton to LTIR until the season starts. They need to be under the cap with his contract. This happened to the Blackhawks a few years back with Hossa's contract.
- RedRevenge

that's why they will trade the remaining year on his contract to Ottawa or Arizona for a draft pick...

and the problem goes away....


kind of like Hossa infected underwear.

I don't disagree with your assertion... but as is always the case - you (not just you in general) are overlooking or ignoring the "what Chara did was dumb"... the correct completion of the sentence is "and should have been penalized".

what Kadri did was dumb - and should have been appropriately penalized?
what Kuraly did was dumb and should have been appropriately penalized?
what McAvoy did was dumb and should have been appropriately penalized?
again, I won't mention rat boy

but ... where is the inconsistency in these statements?
- BorjeFan4Ever

The first one!

You put a little "-" after dumb.

NAILED IT!

the beauty of the Leafs CAP situation is the author of it is still the GM - and I believe this situation gives Dubas a great opportunity to show he can learn from his part errors in judgement and from watching guys before him.

clearly, and with very good reasons the Leafs would chose to keep Marner over Nylander if it comes to that.

clearly, it isn't up to the Leafs as to where Marleau plays next year - that's up to Marleau

clearly both Kapanen and Johnsson are good/very good middle six wingers - who combined will not cost as much as what Nylander costs.

clearly the Leafs have disproportionately too much allocated to fowards versus defense from a CAP perspective.

clearly the core of the team - the top 5 or 6 players does not include the Leafs 3rd highest paid player (Currently) Nylander.

don't have to be genius to identify which chip to play.
- BorjeFan4Ever

If I'm the Hawks, I try to offer sheet Kap for around 4M. It's just under the 1st pick threshold. They would be giving up next years 2nd for him which I think is definitely worth it. Anything more than 4M and a 1st needs to be included. If the Leafs can afford Kap at 4M then they will make it happen.

If I'm the Hawks, I try to offer sheet Kap for around 4M. It's just under the 1st pick threshold. They would be giving up next years 2nd for him which I think is definitely worth it. Anything more than 4M and a 1st needs to be included. If the Leafs can afford Kap at 4M then they will make it happen.
- RedRevenge

that actually makes sense.

johnson and kap are the low-hanging fruit when it comes to offer sheets.

gm's seem oblivious to this though.

that's why they will trade the remaining year on his contract to Ottawa or Arizona for a draft pick...

and the problem goes away....


kind of like Hossa infected underwear.
- BorjeFan4Ever

The Hawks gave up 2 roster players in the Hossa trade..... Hinostrosa (40points with Coyotes bottom 6 winger). + Osterle (20 points with Coyotes bottom 4 defensemen.)

I can see Johnsson + Horton to a team. Fixes a lot of problems.