The Hawks gave up 2 roster players in the Hossa trade..... Hinostrosa (40points with Coyotes bottom 6 winger). + Osterle (20 points with Coyotes bottom 4 defensemen.)

I can see Johnsson + Horton to a team. Fixes a lot of problems.
- RedRevenge

That's a possibility yes.

Plenty of teams with cap space out there.

The first one!

You put a little "-" after dumb.

NAILED IT!
- Scabeh

I was expecting this response - just not from you!

I was expecting this response - just not from you!
- BorjeFan4Ever

The Leafs cannot move Horton to LTIR until the season starts. They need to be under the cap with his contract. This happened to the Blackhawks a few years back with Hossa's contract.
- RedRevenge

you mean in the offseason?

Great, but in the offseason, you're also allowed to exceed the cap by 10%.

I don't disagree with your assertion... but as is always the case - you (not just you in general) are overlooking or ignoring the "what Chara did was dumb"... the correct completion of the sentence is "and should have been penalized".

what Kadri did was dumb - and should have been appropriately penalized?
what Kuraly did was dumb and should have been appropriately penalized?
what McAvoy did was dumb and should have been appropriately penalized?
again, I won't mention rat boy

but ... where is the inconsistency in these statements?
- BorjeFan4Ever

honestly, what did Kuraly even do? I swear you watch a Bruins Leafs playoff game just to nitpick officiating. Before the series started you were “get ready for the thousand non calls that go the Bruins way”. If you tell yourself that for long enough your eyes are going to see it that way.

Have you ever stopped and thought that the bias you accuse me of could be partly be your own toward a perceived notion of the refs favoring the Bruins and screwing the leafs? I think you’re throwing stones.

The first one!

You put a little "-" after dumb.

NAILED IT!
- Scabeh

I actually find the entire officiating discussion this post season hilarious. Some of the calls are SO bad, and SO obviously bad... just come out and admit that they were crap decisions and move on.

The league keeps doubling down and makes themselves increasing stupid.

When you examine the individual events of the Leafs Bruins series - simply for looking at what was and wasn't called... its a farce. And that's absolutely nothing to do with "its the playoffs" or "they've put their whistles away"...

its just bad

I actually find the entire officiating discussion this post season hilarious. Some of the calls are SO bad, and SO obviously bad... just come out and admit that they were crap decisions and move on.

The league keeps doubling down and makes themselves increasing stupid.

When you examine the individual events of the Leafs Bruins series - simply for looking at what was and wasn't called... its a farce. And that's absolutely nothing to do with "its the playoffs" or "they've put their whistles away"...

its just bad
- BorjeFan4Ever

See, I agree with the bold, but where we part is that you think in essence there’s some sort of league wide initiative to have the refs we on the side of the Bruins and I’m just not buying that. Bad officiating goes both ways.

See, I agree with the bold, but where we part is that you think in essence there’s some sort of league wide initiative to have the refs we on the side of the Bruins and I’m just not buying that. Bad officiating goes both ways.
- RickJames77

Just enjoy your Stanley Cup this year; Go Bruins

honestly, what did Kuraly even do? I swear you watch a Bruins Leafs playoff game just to nitpick officiating. Before the series started you were “get ready for the thousand non calls that go the Bruins way”. If you tell yourself that for long enough your eyes are going to see it that way.

Have you ever stopped and thought that the bias you accuse me of could be partly be your own toward a perceived notion of the refs favoring the Bruins and screwing the leafs? I think you’re throwing stones.
- RickJames77

there's this thing called google... perhaps put in Kuraly Muzzin and see what comes back.

then re-think what you just put out there.

there is NO WAY that any semi-reasonable person (I'm not including Jack Edwards as a point of reference - he does not quality of semi-reasonable) can watch the highlights of infractions from the recent Leafs Bruins series and possibly come out with a "ya that was balanced" impression

See, I agree with the bold, but where we part is that you think in essence there’s some sort of league wide initiative to have the refs we on the side of the Bruins and I’m just not buying that. Bad officiating goes both ways.
- RickJames77

Eff the Bruins

honestly, what did Kuraly even do? I swear you watch a Bruins Leafs playoff game just to nitpick officiating. Before the series started you were “get ready for the thousand non calls that go the Bruins way”. If you tell yourself that for long enough your eyes are going to see it that way.

Have you ever stopped and thought that the bias you accuse me of could be partly be your own toward a perceived notion of the refs favoring the Bruins and screwing the leafs? I think you’re throwing stones.
- RickJames77

Some Leafs fans have been blaming the refs since 93.

It's just a coping mechanism.

They would rather blame the referees than realize their own team needs improvement.

there's this thing called google... perhaps put in Kuraly Muzzin and see what comes back.

then re-think what you just put out there.

there is NO WAY that any semi-reasonable person (I'm not including Jack Edwards as a point of reference - he does not quality of semi-reasonable) can watch the highlights of infractions from the recent Leafs Bruins series and possibly come out with a "ya that was balanced" impression
- BorjeFan4Ever

I never did say it was balanced. I just think this whole refs favor the Bruins drum your beating is a bit ridiculous. May I ask why you even bother watching if you truly believe the league is rigged against the Leafs and for the Bruins? I’d love to know why you’d willingly waste your time.

you mean in the offseason?

Great, but in the offseason, you're also allowed to exceed the cap by 10%.
- prock

No, I mean the season.

Yes, the team is allowed to exceed the cap by 10% during the Offseason, but on the first day of the season, the team must be at or under the cap. The 2nd day of the season, they are allowed to put players on LTIR (Horton)

Therefore, they need to be under the cap with Horton on the first day of the season. This was a problem that the Hawks ran into and fixed by trading Hossa away. That's why I'm well aware of it.

I do remember the officiating being bad in that game and you're most likely right about the whole "gone for the playoffs thing"

Wouldn't shock me to have the league talk to both teams either.

But there's a big difference between what you said and claiming the league apologized to the Leafs.
- Scabeh

There was word on Twitter after the Vegas thing that Bettman had apologized to the Leafs, from people who usually know what they're talking about.

Vegas decided to break tradition and talk about it, Toronto kept quiet.

there's this thing called google... perhaps put in Kuraly Muzzin and see what comes back.

then re-think what you just put out there.

there is NO WAY that any semi-reasonable person (I'm not including Jack Edwards as a point of reference - he does not quality of semi-reasonable) can watch the highlights of infractions from the recent Leafs Bruins series and possibly come out with a "ya that was balanced" impression
- BorjeFan4Ever

Are you referring to the crosscheck to the head of Muzzin in Game 6, that was somewhat similar to what Kadri did?

If so, then yes you are right.

2019 Cup Champs baby.. #LetsGoBruins

If I'm the Hawks, I try to offer sheet Kap for around 4M. It's just under the 1st pick threshold. They would be giving up next years 2nd for him which I think is definitely worth it. Anything more than 4M and a 1st needs to be included. If the Leafs can afford Kap at 4M then they will make it happen.
- RedRevenge

whats the term?

makes a big difference

I never did say it was balanced. I just think this whole refs favor the Bruins drum your beating is a bit ridiculous. May I ask why you even bother watching if you truly believe the league is rigged against the Leafs and for the Bruins? I’d love to know why you’d willingly waste your time.
- RickJames77

- PatC80

Hey man, I’ve said since day 1 that the league has a ref problem, not a bias problem. Was our series reffed poorly, sure. But it’s not because of the Spoked B one team is wearing. That’s what I take issue with.

whats the term?

makes a big difference
- senstroll

I'd sign Kap to 4.227M x 3 years.

I think he's going to do very well this season and I think he knows that too. This gives him the opportunity to sign a much larger contract after the 4th year of the contract. I bet the Leafs sign him to this or trade him away.

If I'm confident that he's top 6 talent then I try to shoot for 6M x 6 years, but he's RFA and I think trading the Hawks #1 next year is to risky (if things go wrong. See 2019 Sens).

Hey man, I’ve said since day 1 that the league has a ref problem, not a bias problem. Was our series reffed poorly, sure. But it’s not because of the Spoked B one team is wearing. That’s what I take issue with.
- RickJames77

It did seem like a lot of the "missed calls" were in the Bruins favour.. If not for the terrible officiating in Game 2, maybe we win the series..

I think if DeBrusk got a penalty for that knee on knee hit, then maybe Kadri would not have retaliated..
It's easy to blame the refs but even though it wasn't called, Kadri should not have done what he did.. It was stupid and - dumb.

Yes, I still blame Kadri

It did seem like a lot of the "missed calls" were in the Bruins favour.. If not for the terrible officiating in Game 2, maybe we win the series..

I think if DeBrusk got a penalty for that knee on knee hit, then maybe Kadri would not have retaliated..
It's easy to blame the refs but even though it wasn't called, Kadri should not have done what he did.. It was stupid and - dumb.

Yes, I still blame Kadri
- PatC80

Habs would have won in 6.

*dives*

Habs would have won in 6.

*dives*
- Scabeh

Habs would have won in 6.

*dives*
- Scabeh

That’s very CanadiEn like of you

Thats very CanadiEn like of you
- RickJames77

- Scabeh

I feel shame.