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Leafsmart
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Fredericton, N.B.
Joined: 12.18.2013

May 21 @ 7:20 PM ET
*****NOTICE***** Please anyone, take Doughty and that contract.
Sincerely, Kings fans everywhere.

- Kings fan since72


Same here. Maybe 5 years ago he had real value. Hard pass, move on. But I'll still take Josh Anderson any day.
jayf95
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 09.20.2018

May 21 @ 7:57 PM ET
While I personally don't believe this rumor, this kinda reminds me of the Subban situation. He got traded right before his big extension and NMC kicked in.

Just like the Subban situation, I can't see LA trading Doughty unless they're getting back a legit top 2 dman. The only player that fits the bill there for these 4 teams is Rielly, who is on a steal of a contract and had a fantastic season. Not a chance in hell Toronto takes on an extra $5m salary when they're in a cap crunch and need to sign Marner. I don't follow the Islanders or Wings much, so I can't really comment there (I don't follow the leafs much either, but Canadian media tries their best to shove the leafs down your throat so you hear a thing or two). But to my eye, I don't think they have any defencemen who could have an immediate impact and still makes sense long term. I suppose if Kings are fully set on rebuilding, Noah Dobson could be an interesting piece, but the Isles would have to add a lot to that.

I'm a bit biased as an Oilers fan, but you could make an argument for Nurse. He's coming off a 41 pt season in which he mostly played top 2 minutes (23:49 avg TOI) and did really well. He's a fantastic skater, yet plays a mean, aggressive game. He's certainly not as talented as Doughty or Rielly, and only has one year left on his deal (but remains RFA) so the Oilers would definitely have to add to the deal.

Since this deal would have to get done before the NMC kicks in (which if its like Subbans deal should be July 1), you gotta think that the Oilers 1st rounder (#8) would be in play.

So maybe Nurse + 2019 1st rounder + X? The problem is, I don't know what X would be. The oilers don't have any other worthwhile trade assets. McDavid is untouchable obviously, and so is Draisaitl (hopefully. Theres not a single player in the league I'd trade Draisaitl for). RNH is their only other significant asset, but that would be an overpayment if he was asset "X". We have some great defense prospects like Bouchard (whom I wouldn't trade), Samorukov and Caleb Jones, but they are largely unproven.

That said, I can't see a significant deal like this happening between division rivals. As much as I love doughty, his contract would be a difficult pill to swallow. The oilers would have $31m tied up between 3 players if they did that, and there's no way LA (or a third party) would retain salary for the next 8 years.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 21 @ 7:59 PM ET
While I personally don't believe this rumor, this kinda reminds me of the Subban situation. He got traded right before his big extension and NMC kicked in.

Just like the Subban situation, I can't see LA trading Doughty unless they're getting back a legit top 2 dman. The only player that fits the bill there for these 4 teams is Rielly, who is on a steal of a contract and had a fantastic season. Not a chance in hell Toronto takes on an extra $5m salary when they're in a cap crunch and need to sign Marner. I don't follow the Islanders or Wings much, so I can't really comment there (I don't follow the leafs much either, but Canadian media tries their best to shove the leafs down your throat so you hear a thing or two). But to my eye, I don't think they have any defencemen who could have an immediate impact and still makes sense long term. I suppose if Kings are fully set on rebuilding, Noah Dobson could be an interesting piece, but the Isles would have to add a lot to that.

I'm a bit biased as an Oilers fan, but you could make an argument for Nurse. He's coming off a 41 pt season in which he mostly played top 2 minutes (23:49 avg TOI) and did really well. He's a fantastic skater, yet plays a mean, aggressive game. He's certainly not as talented as Doughty or Rielly, and only has one year left on his deal (but remains RFA) so the Oilers would definitely have to add to the deal.

Since this deal would have to get done before the NMC kicks in (which if its like Subbans deal should be July 1), you gotta think that the Oilers 1st rounder (#8) would be in play.

So maybe Nurse + 2019 1st rounder + X? The problem is, I don't know what X would be. The oilers don't have any other worthwhile trade assets. McDavid is untouchable obviously, and so is Draisaitl (hopefully. Theres not a single player in the league I'd trade Draisaitl for). RNH is their only other significant asset, but that would be an overpayment if he was asset "X". We have some great defense prospects like Bouchard (whom I wouldn't trade), Samorukov and Caleb Jones, but they are largely unproven.

That said, I can't see a significant deal like this happening between division rivals.

- jayf95

Is this RangerSaver
jayf95
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 09.20.2018

May 21 @ 8:02 PM ET
Is this RangerSaver
- eichiefs9


Who/what is that?
The Shrike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 11.17.2007

May 21 @ 8:06 PM ET
Dubas would have zero interest in this guy. He just had his worst (-165 SAT) year ever, and he's getting 11 per for the next 8 years. That wouldn't fit our budget even if he was a +500 player.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

May 21 @ 8:17 PM ET
If they can sign everyone then they don't have cap problems.

Go take a look at the cap. The Leafs cannot sign everyone.....

8 million to sign 4 forwards and 3 defensemen. Which includes players like Marner (10M), Kap (4-6M), and Johnsson (?). You then need to sign 3 defensemen.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

- RedRevenge


Huge changes coming. How people don't see it is quite amazing.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

May 21 @ 8:18 PM ET
While I personally don't believe this rumor, this kinda reminds me of the Subban situation. He got traded right before his big extension and NMC kicked in.

Just like the Subban situation, I can't see LA trading Doughty unless they're getting back a legit top 2 dman. The only player that fits the bill there for these 4 teams is Rielly, who is on a steal of a contract and had a fantastic season. Not a chance in hell Toronto takes on an extra $5m salary when they're in a cap crunch and need to sign Marner. I don't follow the Islanders or Wings much, so I can't really comment there (I don't follow the leafs much either, but Canadian media tries their best to shove the leafs down your throat so you hear a thing or two). But to my eye, I don't think they have any defencemen who could have an immediate impact and still makes sense long term. I suppose if Kings are fully set on rebuilding, Noah Dobson could be an interesting piece, but the Isles would have to add a lot to that.

I'm a bit biased as an Oilers fan, but you could make an argument for Nurse. He's coming off a 41 pt season in which he mostly played top 2 minutes (23:49 avg TOI) and did really well. He's a fantastic skater, yet plays a mean, aggressive game. He's certainly not as talented as Doughty or Rielly, and only has one year left on his deal (but remains RFA) so the Oilers would definitely have to add to the deal.

Since this deal would have to get done before the NMC kicks in (which if its like Subbans deal should be July 1), you gotta think that the Oilers 1st rounder (#8) would be in play.

So maybe Nurse + 2019 1st rounder + X? The problem is, I don't know what X would be. The oilers don't have any other worthwhile trade assets. McDavid is untouchable obviously, and so is Draisaitl (hopefully. Theres not a single player in the league I'd trade Draisaitl for). RNH is their only other significant asset, but that would be an overpayment if he was asset "X". We have some great defense prospects like Bouchard (whom I wouldn't trade), Samorukov and Caleb Jones, but they are largely unproven.

That said, I can't see a significant deal like this happening between division rivals. As much as I love doughty, his contract would be a difficult pill to swallow. The oilers would have $31m tied up between 3 players if they did that, and there's no way LA (or a third party) would retain salary for the next 8 years.

- jayf95


So trade a top d man for a top d man? Hmmm... LA is rebuilding, I'm not sure this is accurate.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

May 21 @ 8:18 PM ET
Doughty for Nylander straight up.
- DrunkenCanuck

RedRevenge
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 04.18.2017

May 21 @ 9:34 PM ET
Huge changes coming. How people don't see it is quite amazing.
- aminnes


It's exciting to see how it plays out and if Dubas makes a move or two. Can't wait until June.
CupOnBroadSt.
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.23.2012

May 21 @ 10:29 PM ET
Doughty for Nylander straight up.
- DrunkenCanuck


Go home, you're drunk and high. No way L.A. makes that deal.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 21 @ 10:51 PM ET
Would one of those "big market teams" be the Blackhawks???
- Carnage71

Hawks should sign Karlsson.... Would make them a contender right away
RedRevenge
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 04.18.2017

May 21 @ 10:52 PM ET
Hawks should sign Karlsson.... Would make them a contender right away
- kaptaan


NO
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

May 21 @ 11:04 PM ET
NO
- RedRevenge

Yes. Karlsson and Seabrook on that top line. Should trade for Backes too.
CupOnBroadSt.
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.23.2012

May 21 @ 11:04 PM ET
Hawks should sign Karlsson.... Would make them a contender right away
- kaptaan


Watch Karlsson go to Vegas... although I honestly hope he stays in San Jose.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

May 21 @ 11:30 PM ET
Watch Karlsson go to Vegas... although I honestly hope he stays in San Jose.
- CupOnBroadSt.

Nyquist needs to resign in SJ. Need all those second rounders.

Karlsson will be a Blackhawk along with Malkin and Backes and Ericsson soon enough.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

May 21 @ 11:51 PM ET
Watch Karlsson go to Vegas... although I honestly hope he stays in San Jose.
- CupOnBroadSt.

Vegas has 0 cap.
malcolmthornton
Joined: 06.20.2012

May 22 @ 3:12 AM ET
Doughty has an 11,000,000 cap hit. How could the Leafs ever make a move for him unless Matthews, Marner, or Tavares go the other way. I'd love to have Doughty, but I wouldn't move Marner or Matthews for a 29 year old with 8 Years left with an 11 million cap hit, and JT has a no move. Doughty has a tonne of milage on him, and after about 4 years he'll be a massive liability. Then again Dubas hasn't proven to be too wise in cap management so who knows.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 22 @ 4:57 AM ET
both the Drew Doughty and Carey Price contracts were extremely ill advised

their teams are paying them for past performances and are going to be stuck with them as heavy burdens for years

I'm sure the Kings would love to trade Doughty before having to pay that 10 mil bonus on July 1st but they are stuck
Snowman X
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.05.2018

May 22 @ 9:34 AM ET
lol.. wtf Ek? You never heard anything linking the Leafs to Doughty. I have to commend you on using that as clickbait though. It got a lot of bites.

Any deal between the Leafs and the Kings regarding Doughty would have started and ended with Marner or Matthews. Doughty is halfway done his prime. Neither of those two kids have even ENTERED their prime years yet.

I'd only do it if it were Doughty for Nylander, Liljegren and Kadri and LA would have to retain 2M per year on Doughty.
James-TFS
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: St George, ON
Joined: 07.24.2017

May 22 @ 10:38 AM ET
Yup. It balances their cap space and gets them a blue chip prospect. They place Kadri back where he belongs. When you add the goals from Doughty and Kadri at his max they don't lose 40. If Kadri scores 30, and Doughty 15, they really only lose 15, but with better defence they probably gain a lot in the long run.

LA gets a stud first line centre, who was born in the area and grew up in the south. They can market the poop out of him as there really hasn't been a superstar from down there until him, and they can build their team around him. I really think this would have to be considered b y both clubs.

Cue Leaf fan attacks lol.

- aminnes


I actually agree with trading Matthews and I’m a Leaf fan. I’m not saying we need to get rid of him, I’m saying the return would be more beneficial to the team than he is. We already have a number one centre in Tavares and we can only have so many high priced forwards. I would rather trade him for something like O’Rielly and Parayko Or Schenn, Parayko +. Obviously STL doesn’t need to do a deal like this, they are in the finals but something like this would still give the Leafs 3 good centres, it would get us the RD we badly need and would actually cost less than Matthews.

Or move Matthews to Columbus for Seth Jones. Both get young top end players in positions we both need.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

May 22 @ 10:48 AM ET
I actually agree with trading Matthews and I’m a Leaf fan. I’m not saying we need to get rid of him, I’m saying the return would be more beneficial to the team than he is. We already have a number one centre in Tavares and we can only have so many high priced forwards. I would rather trade him for something like O’Rielly and Parayko Or Schenn, Parayko +. Obviously STL doesn’t need to do a deal like this, they are in the finals but something like this would still give the Leafs 3 good centres, it would get us the RD we badly need and would actually cost less than Matthews.

Or move Matthews to Columbus for Seth Jones. Both get young top end players in positions we both need.

- James-TFS

Legit Leafs Fan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 05.22.2019

May 22 @ 11:06 AM ET
I actually agree with trading Matthews and I’m a Leaf fan. I’m not saying we need to get rid of him, I’m saying the return would be more beneficial to the team than he is. We already have a number one centre in Tavares and we can only have so many high priced forwards. I would rather trade him for something like O’Rielly and Parayko Or Schenn, Parayko +. Obviously STL doesn’t need to do a deal like this, they are in the finals but something like this would still give the Leafs 3 good centres, it would get us the RD we badly need and would actually cost less than Matthews.

Or move Matthews to Columbus for Seth Jones. Both get young top end players in positions we both need.

- James-TFS

Agreed, me too
Bojangle
Los Angeles Kings
Location: WI
Joined: 03.12.2013

May 22 @ 11:15 AM ET
I doubt they can get him, but if they could swing this;

Doughty to Toronto
Kadri & Marleau to LA

- merlin2049er

LMAO You Leafs fans are unbelievable. So, you think the Kings (the oldest team in the league) wants Marleau (whopping 37 pts) to add to the age and someone like Kadri, a 2nd line center with huge attitude issues for one of the worlds best D-man who is still in his prime? hahahahahah

Let me play now. How about the Kings give TO Toffoli, Carter, Quick, and a #3 for Matthews? See, I can live in delusional world too
mgriffen
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.01.2012

May 22 @ 11:25 AM ET
LMAO You Leafs fans are unbelievable. So, you think the Kings (the oldest team in the league) wants Marleau (whopping 37 pts) to add to the age and someone like Kadri, a 2nd line center with huge attitude issues for one of the worlds best D-man who is still in his prime? hahahahahah

Let me play now. How about the Kings give TO Toffoli, Carter, Quick, and a #3 for Matthews? See, I can live in delusional world too

- Bojangle


K, we'll throw in a 3rd then if you're gonna be a baby about it
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