There is some talk out there that Josh Manson may be available - I am a fan of his.

also wondering if Washington would cut ties with Niskanen for Trouba, add washington's 1st and Winnipeg's 3rd for some balance.

There is some talk out there that Josh Manson may be available - I am a fan of his.

also wondering if Washington would cut ties with Niskanen for Trouba, add washington's 1st and Winnipeg's 3rd for some balance.
- 2.0

But Niskanen isn't a top-end player under 28 who's cost-controlled for 3+ years, why would the Jets (according to this blog's comments) want him in a trade for Trouba?

Erik Karlsson (granted, older and 1 year away from UFA status) is arguably the best offensive defenseman since Paul Coffey (or Orr, depending on how you look at it). When he was traded last offseason, the return was a bottom-6 forward, a bottom-4 defenseman, a late 1st, and a late 2nd. Now, I like Trouba a lot and think he's a legit top-pair RHD. But if you think he'll get a better return than Erik Karlsson, even with the age and one year away from UFA status, I would disagree.
- jmatchett383

I don't disagree about anything you said about Karlsson but the team situation is different. Wpg is not in a crisis, Trouba will play for the Jets or someone else this fall, Wpg is looking for quality not quantity return, the team financial complications are less significant in Wpg as there is stable ownership. In short the Karlsson situation was a bit of a gong show that blindsided Ottawa.

But Niskanen isn't a top-end player under 28 who's cost-controlled for 3+ years, why would the Jets (according to this blog's comments) want him in a trade for Trouba?
- jmatchett383

because he is a solid NHL ready defenseman and a potential deal would include either a good prospect or Jets getting back into the 1st round. There is also some cap savings for Jets, I didn't consider the Washington cap situation when I proposed this.

EDIT: Washington is cash strapped and considering trading Niskanen for cap reasons. Trouba would not help with this, and the 1st round pick is only about #26 overall. I don't see a fit for a trade here.

I don't disagree about anything you said about Karlsson but the team situation is different. Wpg is not in a crisis, Trouba will play for the Jets or someone else this fall, Wpg is looking for quality not quantity return, the team financial complications are less significant in Wpg as there is stable ownership. In short the Karlsson situation was a bit of a gong show that blindsided Ottawa.
- 2.0

I agree that Ottawa mismanaged every aspect of the Karlsson trade, and Winnipeg has a lot more power/control. That said, expecting multiple top-end pieces for a player who, while under control, is not under contract, seems a bit high on the asking side.

because he is a solid NHL ready defenseman and a potential deal would include either a good prospect or Jets getting back into the 1st round. There is also some cap savings for Jets, I didn't consider the Washington cap situation when I proposed this.
- 2.0

(It was a joke).

But....but....Toronto fans said he was going there. Straight up for Nylander. Ain't that so????
- hawk35

He'd play in Toronto. It ain't Winterpeg

(It was a joke).
- jmatchett383

use the sarcasm font please

I think as Jets fans we are going to be disappointing with the return for Trouba. According to Ken Wiebe, Trouba is saying that he's not going to sign anywhere long-term until he hits free agency.

I think a bigger deal will have to happen for us to recoup anything for Trouba. I do find it concerning that Ehlers has been in many trade rumors. I do believe that if it were not for Laine, Ehlers has the potential to become a 40/40 player, as he would take Laine's spot on the power play. I think making Laine the centerpiece to a deal with Trouba as a sweetener would be a good move.

For example:

To PHI: Patrik Laine, Jacob Trouba, and one of (Little or Perreault)

To WPG: Sean Couturier, Ivan Provorov, 2019 first round pick

I think as Jets fans we are going to be disappointing with the return for Trouba. According to Ken Wiebe, Trouba is saying that he's not going to sign anywhere long-term until he hits free agency.

I think a bigger deal will have to happen for us to recoup anything for Trouba. I do find it concerning that Ehlers has been in many trade rumors. I do believe that if it were not for Laine, Ehlers has the potential to become a 40/40 player, as he would take Laine's spot on the power play. I think making Laine the centerpiece to a deal with Trouba as a sweetener would be a good move.

For example:

To PHI: Patrik Laine, Jacob Trouba, and one of (Little or Perreault)

To WPG: Sean Couturier, Ivan Provorov, 2019 first round pick
- TheUltimateJet

i hate this

i hate this
- Mordecai

Counter offer please.

I also think the Jets should forgo signing Tanev and go for Nyquist. He's a Corsi monster. I would be very intrigued to ice a line of Copp-Lowry-Nyquist.

Counter offer please.
- TheUltimateJet

honestly, i'm not that interested in Trouba. would be a nice luxury but not really a necessity at this point. Laine is good but i'd prefer Couts with the way our team is built right now. not interested at all in moving Provy.

Erik Karlsson (granted, older and 1 year away from UFA status) is arguably the best offensive defenseman since Paul Coffey (or Orr, depending on how you look at it). When he was traded last offseason, the return was a bottom-6 forward, a bottom-4 defenseman, a late 1st, and a late 2nd. Now, I like Trouba a lot and think he's a legit top-pair RHD. But if you think he'll get a better return than Erik Karlsson, even with the age and one year away from UFA status, I would disagree.
- jmatchett383

The return for Karlsson was much bigger it was: Rudolfs Balcers, Chris Tierney, Josh Norris, Dylan DeMelo, round 2 pick in the 2019 draft, conditional round 1 pick in the 2020 draft, conditional round 2 pick in the 2021 draft and conditional round 1 pick in the 2022 draft.

I think Ottawa did reasonably well in that deal. The conditional picks, I believe were all based on hypothetical situations where Ottawa would get picks If San Jose won the cup, Karlsson being traded to an Eastern Conference team, and him re-signing in San Jose.

honestly, i'm not that interested in Trouba. would be a nice luxury but not really a necessity at this point. Laine is good but i'd prefer Couts with the way our team is built right now. not interested at all in moving Provy.
- Mordecai

I see your points.

But....but....Toronto fans said he was going there. Straight up for Nylander. Ain't that so????
- hawk35

Nah, William Gretzky is tearing it up at the worlds.

Maybe Nylander for Morrisey, but not for that overrated head case Trouba.

I'd be hesitant to trade Ghost. He seems to be very inconsistent, and never strings together two bad years or two good years. Prior to this season, he was actually playing quality defense along with his offense, and he apparently had a knee issue all year long. If I had to bet, I'd say he has a bounce back year.

I know you have to give to get, and I'm a biased Ghost lover...but I'm also a Trouba fan. I would do Ghost straight up for Trouba if the Flyers can negotiate with Trouba prior to the trade, but I wouldn't include 11th overall as well, it would be a straight 1-for-1.
- jmatchett383

What about:

To Phi: Trouba and jets 2020 1st

To Wpg: Ghost ( or Myers or Provarov) and Phi 2019 1st....

What about:

To Phi: Trouba and jets 2020 1st

To Wpg: Ghost ( or Myers or Provarov) and Phi 2019 1st....
- liverpoolnhl

I would do that, but it would have to be Ghost going out. I have no interest in moving Provorov, Myers, or Sanhiem at this time. My interest in Trouba stems from a vision of him and those other 3 guys as the Flyers top 4 for the next several years, so swapping out any of those 3 in the deal wouldn't work for me.
I could definitely be overvaluing any or all three of those guys. But they're all still so young, that their potential is too valuable to move in a deal for Trouba at this time.

Nah, William Gretzky is tearing it up at the worlds.

Maybe Nylander for Morrisey, but not for that overrated head case Trouba.
- DrunkenCanuck

Nylander is indeed having a good World's.

But....bigger ice surface, much less hitting, grit, checking.

We saw in the playoffs what he is like when the going gets tough. You can have him at 7 million. I wouldn't want him, and our Hawks need a lot. But certainly wouldn't want Nylander at 7 million, not even close...

Nylander is indeed having a good World's.

But....bigger ice surface, much less hitting, grit, checking.

We saw in the playoffs what he is like when the going gets tough. You can have him at 7 million. I wouldn't want him, and our Hawks need a lot. But certainly wouldn't want Nylander at 7 million, not even close...
- hawk35

I can Seabrook what you are saying, yep.

I can Seabrook what you are saying, yep.
- DrunkenCanuck

EXACTLY...
Wasting 7 million on a fringe player will sink ya for sure....look at our record the last 2 years.

My guess is leafs move Nylander before the season even starts....

Erik Karlsson (granted, older and 1 year away from UFA status) is arguably the best offensive defenseman since Paul Coffey (or Orr, depending on how you look at it). When he was traded last offseason, the return was a bottom-6 forward, a bottom-4 defenseman, a late 1st, and a late 2nd. Now, I like Trouba a lot and think he's a legit top-pair RHD. But if you think he'll get a better return than Erik Karlsson, even with the age and one year away from UFA status, I would disagree.
- jmatchett383[/quote]
Agreed, but I think any of these significant trade "guesses" assume he will sign long term in order to consummate the trade......

I think as Jets fans we are going to be disappointing with the return for Trouba. According to Ken Wiebe, Trouba is saying that he's not going to sign anywhere long-term until he hits free agency.

I think a bigger deal will have to happen for us to recoup anything for Trouba. I do find it concerning that Ehlers has been in many trade rumors. I do believe that if it were not for Laine, Ehlers has the potential to become a 40/40 player, as he would take Laine's spot on the power play. I think making Laine the centerpiece to a deal with Trouba as a sweetener would be a good move.

For example:

To PHI: Patrik Laine, Jacob Trouba, and one of (Little or Perreault)

To WPG: Sean Couturier, Ivan Provorov, 2019 first round pick
- TheUltimateJet

If he is going to play hardball - which is a gamble that he will get the same opportunity and production next season- how can the jets counter? Hold on to him and threaten No power play time?.....

What about:

To Phi: Trouba and jets 2020 1st

To Wpg: Ghost ( or Myers or Provarov) and Phi 2019 1st....
- liverpoolnhl

If it's Ghost, I'd probably do that. No way it's Provorov, he's nigh untouchable. Unless it's a McDavid/Matthews/etc. player coming back (sorry Laine), he's not getting involved in any deal.

If he is going to play hardball - which is a gamble that he will get the same opportunity and production next season- how can the jets counter? Hold on to him and threaten No power play time?.....
- liverpoolnhl

I am going on reports from others on this board that speak about a divide between young and old players. Initially the thought was that Scheifele and Wheeler were not getting along, however it does appear that the rift could be between Byfuglien and Trouba.

I am a betting man. I bet if Byfuglien is moved, Trouba will sign a long-term contract with the Jets. The trade would essentially be Byfuglien for Trouba. This is all speculation and I making this guess based on what Trouba has talked about in the past, about playing the right side and not getting power play time. I will also note that Trouba is best friends with Copp. He also has a great relationship with my man Mark Scheifele.