I don’t consider Selke voting a legitimate measuring stick for defensive ability. I just once again point to Kopitar getting the nod in the worst defensive season of his entire career.

Lowry himself is a top tier shutdown centre. Any drop in ability by his line against top competition is easily and immediately attributed to one Brandon Tanev
- Rexypoo

This is an opinion statement, nothing based on fact.

20 to 24 is an unbelievably massive difference. Just look at Mark Scheifele. You’re basically talking about an age that would be a lot of players’ rookie year vs the year a player is about to peak. It’s development years vs prime years.
- Rexypoo

What does this have to do with avoiding criticism?

What does this have to do with avoiding criticism?
- TheUltimateJet

Nothing. You cited the ages. I engaged with that point.

Myers and Laine get flak because they both make all of their mistakes clearly visible. Laine will likely grow out of it with experience. Myers never has.

The Jets fan base has never been into evenly criticizing all players. It’s the small, the young, and the visible that get heat.

This is an opinion statement, nothing based on fact.
- TheUltimateJet

Ultimate, you're killin' me 😕. Anything other than statistics and Analytics is opinion right? And That's where Rexy's statement about Lowry vs Kopitar vs Tanev holds water......

Ultimate, you're killin' me 😕. Anything other than statistics and Analytics is opinion right? And That's where Rexy's statement about Lowry vs Kopitar vs Tanev holds water......
- liverpoolnhl

Statistically, it holds the most water. Lowry was the top GAR forward of 17-18 for large chunks of the season thanks to his defence

Ultimate, you're killin' me 😕. Anything other than statistics and Analytics is opinion right? And That's where Rexy's statement about Lowry vs Kopitar vs Tanev holds water......
- liverpoolnhl

This👍
I guess awards voted on by writers are now actual stats.

Statistically, it holds the most water. Lowry was the top GAR forward of 17-18 for large chunks of the season thanks to his defence
- Rexypoo

He only played 45 games that year. What was the number for this year? or for 2016-17?

Can’t trade Lowry as we don’t have a similar player to replace him.

I got one for you BW.

To WPG: Pavel Zacha, Damon Severson, 2019 second round pick

To NJ: Jacob Trouba, Adam Lowry
- TheUltimateJet

I could see that working. In all honesty, I think Severson is every bit as good as Trouba, and his contract would save the jets at least 3.5M per season, no to mention the 3M of Lowry. Only problem I have with that trade is that the Devs wont need Lowry. With the likely addition of Hughes, Zajac will be bumped to 3C causing a log-jam down the middle. I think Perrault would be a better fit

I could see that working. In all honesty, I think Severson is every bit as good as Trouba, and his contract would save the jets at least 3.5M per season, no to mention the 3M of Lowry. Only problem I have with that trade is that the Devs wont need Lowry. With the likely addition of Hughes, Zajac will be bumped to 3C causing a log-jam down the middle. I think Perrault would be a better fit
- bikeguy99

Severson is not even close to Trouba.
Pavel Zacha is now a prospect you hope might get to be as good as Lowry is now. Just keep Lowry

Can’t trade Lowry as we don’t have a similar player to replace him.
- bennythehat

Andrew Copp?

Severson is not even close to Trouba.
Pavel Zacha is now a prospect you hope might get to be as good as Lowry is now. Just keep Lowry
- Rexypoo

Zacha has the same Corsi as Laine and they are practically the same age. Zacha is also 6’3, 210 lbs. He also had 18 points in his last 25 games, meaning that he is starting to figure out his game. Zacha is way better than Adam Lowry and could be the second line Center we are looking for. But hey I said the same thing about O’Reilly a year ago to, so what do I know.

This👍
I guess awards voted on by writers are now actual stats.
- Ross77

Winnipeg writers aren’t even voting for him, what does that say?

I am really confused where this hostility towards me from you is coming from.

Ultimate, you're killin' me 😕. Anything other than statistics and Analytics is opinion right? And That's where Rexy's statement about Lowry vs Kopitar vs Tanev holds water......
- liverpoolnhl

Rexypoo constantly contradicts himself. If he was solely basing his stuff on advanced stats, I would have more respect for him.

Andrew Copp?
- TheUltimateJet

I don’t think Copp can match Lowry for physical play and size.

Winnipeg writers aren’t even voting for him, what does that say?

I am really confused where this hostility towards me from you is coming from.
- TheUltimateJet

I'm pretty sure Ross is talking about Kopitar, not Lowry....

....and, I'm gonna' stick my neck out here. i will always be in your corner for showing up in january, but as a neutral poster I must say your posts often come across with an emphatic tone, which can generate a similarly energetic and Male hormone filled response. I hope it's all good, because you contribute significant energy to this blog..............and I liked the person I met face to face.....

I'm pretty sure Ross is talking about Kopitar, not Lowry....

....and, I'm gonna' stick my neck out here. i will always be in your corner for showing up in january, but as a neutral poster I must say your posts often come across with an emphatic tone, which can generate a similarly energetic and Male hormone filled response. I hope it's all good, because you contribute significant energy to this blog..............and I liked the person I met face to face.....
- liverpoolnhl

As long as he keeps his salary demands reasonable, Lowry is one player to may very well be a career Jet. Said to be a good team-mate and loved by management. 3rd line center - and good at it! See him as being protected in expansion draft, after he signs new contract.

As long as he keeps his salary demands reasonable, Lowry is one player to may very well be a career Jet. Said to be a good team-mate and loved by management. 3rd line center - and good at it! See him as being protected in expansion draft, after he signs new contract.
- grahamzky

Better to have a side deal in place where Lowry will sign his contract after the expansion draft.

Seattle shouldn't be targeting a defensive C from the Jets anyhow. Roslovic and Applton will be available. More importantly the guy they should draft if he continues his development would be Berdin.

As long as he keeps his salary demands reasonable, Lowry is one player to may very well be a career Jet. Said to be a good team-mate and loved by management. 3rd line center - and good at it! See him as being protected in expansion draft, after he signs new contract.
- grahamzky

I don't think Lowry is a third line Center on a Stanley Cup team. On a fringe playoff team, yes he is. For the Jets to be true Stanley Cup contenders, he needs to be our 4th line centre.

Better to have a side deal in place where Lowry will sign his contract after the expansion draft.

Seattle shouldn't be targeting a defensive C from the Jets anyhow. Roslovic and Applton will be available. More importantly the guy they should draft if he continues his development would be Berdin.
- BWJumper

Certainly agree a side deal is much more favorable if Lowry agrees on this. Then they can protect Roslovic or Appleton (or both?), and perhaps move the other, depending on how things shake out between now and then.
Berdin, a great asset/option to have, if he develops, as you say. If he is lights out going forward, the Jets can opt to trade him before the draft - Helle will still have two years left on his contract, won't he? May need to sign a cheap goalie with NHL experience to qualify for expansion draft.

Zacha has the same Corsi as Laine and they are practically the same age. Zacha is also 6’3, 210 lbs. He also had 18 points in his last 25 games, meaning that he is starting to figure out his game. Zacha is way better than Adam Lowry and could be the second line Center we are looking for. But hey I said the same thing about O’Reilly a year ago to, so what do I know.
- TheUltimateJet

A: Zacha is not better than Lowry, and that’s an across the board statement
B: Zacha is not capable of playing 2C. Lowry and Copp are both better candidates.
C: I too preached the good work of Ryan “Drivethru” O’Reilly, so I feel you here

I don't think Lowry is a third line Center on a Stanley Cup team. On a fringe playoff team, yes he is. For the Jets to be true Stanley Cup contenders, he needs to be our 4th line centre.
- TheUltimateJet

This is why we fail. No reason not to try him at 2C before wasting assets at the deadline again

A: Zacha is not better than Lowry, and that’s an across the board statement
B: Zacha is not capable of playing 2C. Lowry and Copp are both better candidates.
C: I too preached the good work of Ryan “Drivethru” O’Reilly, so I feel you here
- Rexypoo

Adam Lowry Stats last 3 years:
2016-17
82GP 15G 14A 29Points

2017-18
45GP 8G 13A 21Points

2018-19
78GP 12G 11A 23Points

Most common line-mates over that time: Brendan Tanev, Andrew Copp, Mathieu Perreault and Joel Armia.

Pavel Zacha Stats last 3 years:
2016-17 (Rookie Year)
70GP 8G 16A 24Points

2017-18
69GP 8G 17A 25Points

2018-19
61GP 13G 12A 25Points

Most Common line-mates over that time: Drew Stafford, Jesper Bratt, and Miles Wood.

Do not see much difference with offensive point totals. The 2017-18 year you speak off is an outlier in Lowry's career. Do not understand why you would want to try a 26 year old Adam Lowry as your second line center, when his previous career best was 29 points.

A: Zacha is not better than Lowry, and that’s an across the board statement
B: Zacha is not capable of playing 2C. Lowry and Copp are both better candidates.
C: I too preached the good work of Ryan “Drivethru” O’Reilly, so I feel you here
- Rexypoo

I also said we should go for Brayden Schenn two off-seasons ago, but who's counting.

I also said we should go for Brayden Schenn two off-seasons ago, but who's counting.
- TheUltimateJet

Eh. We don’t need wingers. He’s a high end 2LW. We have better.