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tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 30 @ 9:16 PM ET
Were you not aware he signed there last summer?
- eichiefs9

eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 30 @ 9:16 PM ET
I still don't get why the Islander fans booed him so severely. I could of understood a 50/50 reaction but that wasn't fair how he was treated.
- B2B76

I don't have another long-winded debate about this in me after the last 11 months. It doesn't bother me that you have that opinion but I don't agree.

As many people have pointed out, he didn't owe the Islander fans anything but by the same token no Islander fan owes him jack poop. We paid his salary going to games and buying merchandise and if 13,000 people want to vocally lay into him I don't see the big deal.

I didn't approve of the two idiots that threw things at him during warm-ups and I'm neutral on the dopes burning his jersey and running it over in the parking lot. They're clearly white trash idiots but it's not like they were hurting anyone either.

Ultimately, he went about leaving in the most gutless way possible and a fanbase that's endured decades of being poop and pissed on by just about everyone isn't going to just wipe their chin and say thank you.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 30 @ 9:21 PM ET
FU*K THEM
- B2B76

Not saying I feel bad or anything Haha šŸ˜†
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

May 30 @ 9:21 PM ET
I don't have another long-winded debate about this in me after the last 11 months. It doesn't bother me that you have that opinion but I don't agree.

As many people have pointed out, he didn't owe the Islander fans anything but by the same token no Islander fan owes him jack poop. We paid his salary going to games and buying merchandise and if 13,000 people want to vocally lay into him I don't see the big deal.

I didn't approve of the two idiots that threw things at him during warm-ups and I'm neutral on the dopes burning his jersey and running it over in the parking lot. They're clearly white trash idiots but it's not like they were hurting anyone either.

Ultimately, he went about leaving in the most gutless way possible and a fanbase that's endured decades of being poop and pissed on by just about everyone isn't going to just wipe their chin and say thank you.

- eichiefs9

Well you answered that and not too long winded. I just feel the guy bled for you for 9 years and was all class. Every single pending UFA has to say the "right" things, that's told to them by the agent, he didn't do anything no other guy in his position would have done.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 30 @ 9:25 PM ET
Iā€™m saying youā€™ll have the same problem if you trade for Dman lol.

You can never be ā€œstuckā€ with to many centers. Thatā€™s crazy you think like that. You can never have enough of anything really. And we really have no idea yet whoā€™s going or staying, at any position. Iā€™m just not comfy at center yet, and Iā€™m more comfortable on D. Future wise for all positions

- Slimtj100

Really? Who is the savior RHD weā€™re waiting for down in Hartford?
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 30 @ 9:27 PM ET
Well you answered that and not too long winded. I just feel the guy bled for you for 9 years and was all class. Every single pending UFA has to say the "right" things, that's told to them by the agent, he didn't do anything no other guy in his position would have done.
- B2B76

I think requesting to not be traded and not being able to commit to a "yes/no/trade me" answer is not exactly common practice among UFA's. He didn't even have to be absolute, that's what galls me. He could have said "listen, I'm really struggling to make a decision now. Get what you can for me at the deadline but you're really still in serious consideration" in February and the Islanders could've at least recouped something for him at the deadline.

Instead, he strung them along and they got nothing. I don't respect that at all. They bent over backwards to accommodate his every request and just got a big (frank) you in return, even if it wasn't an intentional one.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 30 @ 9:27 PM ET
Well you answered that and not too long winded. I just feel the guy bled for you for 9 years and was all class. Every single pending UFA has to say the "right" things, that's told to them by the agent, he didn't do anything no other guy in his position would have done.
- B2B76

I absolutely understand why Isles fans would be upset. As a Rangers fan I loved it but could you imagine if Hank was 27 and pulled the same poop? He had no intention of signing with the Isles, tell them that before the deadline so they can trade you and get something in return.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 30 @ 9:31 PM ET
I absolutely understand why Isles fans would be upset. As a Rangers fan I loved it but could you imagine if Hank was 27 and pulled the same poop? He had no intention of signing with the Isles, tell them that before the deadline so they can trade you and get something in return.
- nyrangers9479

I don't think he had "no intention of signing with them", I believe that he was genuinely torn. But if that was the case he should've let them move him and if he decided he wanted to stay, nothing would've prevented him from signing there again in July.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 30 @ 9:39 PM ET
Really? Who is the savior RHD weā€™re waiting for down in Hartford?
- nyrangers9479

Maybe you missed it, but they got Adam Fox
TommyGTrain
New York Rangers
Location: Part of NJ where its Taylor Ham not pork roll
Joined: 05.19.2017

May 30 @ 9:49 PM ET
I think requesting to not be traded and not being able to commit to a "yes/no/trade me" answer is not exactly common practice among UFA's. He didn't even have to be absolute, that's what galls me. He could have said "listen, I'm really struggling to make a decision now. Get what you can for me at the deadline but you're really still in serious consideration" in February and the Islanders could've at least recouped something for him at the deadline.

Instead, he strung them along and they got nothing. I don't respect that at all. They bent over backwards to accommodate his every request and just got a big (frank) you in return, even if it wasn't an intentional one.

- eichiefs9



Tavares' exit was the greatest in the tri-state area since Kovalchuk left the Devils in the lurch. Very easy to understand the fans reaction...
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 30 @ 9:59 PM ET
I fkin love JD! He so passionate about this organization, theyā€™re in good handsšŸ¤—

He made it a point a couple times to say, teams canā€™t make dumb decisions in FA and players available in the summers have to fit monetarily and have to fit at the right time for the team.

So thatā€™s tell me -
Panarin, yes
EK, no

And not sure if he meant to, but he kind slipped and said ā€œKakkoā€ as if he was on the team already. Like us!
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 30 @ 10:34 PM ET
Maybe you missed it, but they got Adam Fox
- Slimtj100

nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 30 @ 10:44 PM ET
Maybe you missed it, but they got Adam Fox
- Slimtj100

Yes, a good puck moving defenseman to run the PP. Whoā€™s the shutdown guy? We have 1 defensive prospect on the right side in Nils. Who else? Crowley? At center we also have Morgan Barron who had a great season. Thatā€™s 4 young possible centers that would be blocked by trading for a 2nd line center.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 30 @ 10:53 PM ET
Yes, a good puck moving defenseman to run the PP. Whoā€™s the shutdown guy? We have 1 defensive prospect on the right side in Nils. Who else? Crowley? At center we also have Morgan Barron who had a great season. Thatā€™s 4 young possible centers that would be blocked by trading for a 2nd line center.
- nyrangers9479


Moritz Seider
Iā€™m with you on him
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 30 @ 11:07 PM ET
Moritz Seider
Iā€™m with you on him

- Slimtj100

I wanted Dobson last year but wasnā€™t upset with Kravtsov. I think Seider is the way to go this year but he might not be there at 20.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 30 @ 11:28 PM ET
I wanted Dobson last year but wasnā€™t upset with Kravtsov. I think Seider is the way to go this year but he might not be there at 20.
- nyrangers9479

I think Iā€™d rather draft the RHD then trade for it, is my thing. We both see the need of each, but not how we obtain them.

You also have a lot of money tied up in 3 guys there already, so they are most likely playing for 2 more years. Maybe not Smith. Trading Shatty (canā€™t be easy to do) would need to be a priority if youā€™re trading for one imo. 2 or 3 spots blocked already. I forgot Skjei, thatā€™s more money. That would be 4 guys over 5 mill, thatā€™s insane
TommyGTrain
New York Rangers
Location: Part of NJ where its Taylor Ham not pork roll
Joined: 05.19.2017

May 31 @ 12:10 AM ET
I think Iā€™d rather draft the RHD then trade for it, is my thing. We both see the need of each, but not how we obtain them.

You also have a lot of money tied up in 3 guys there already, so they are most likely playing for 2 more years. Maybe not Smith. Trading Shatty (canā€™t be easy to do) would need to be a priority if youā€™re trading for one imo. 2 or 3 spots blocked already. I forgot Skjei, thatā€™s more money. That would be 4 guys over 5 mill, thatā€™s insane

- Slimtj100



Just saw a post today from a Shark fan. He thinks that if/when EK leaves San Jose, then that would be a good landing spot for Shatty. Sounds logical...
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 31 @ 12:17 AM ET
I think Iā€™d rather draft the RHD then trade for it, is my thing. We both see the need of each, but not how we obtain them.

You also have a lot of money tied up in 3 guys there already, so they are most likely playing for 2 more years. Maybe not Smith. Trading Shatty (canā€™t be easy to do) would need to be a priority if youā€™re trading for one imo. 2 or 3 spots blocked already. I forgot Skjei, thatā€™s more money. That would be 4 guys over 5 mill, thatā€™s insane

- Slimtj100

I think we could find a trade partner for Shattenkirk if we retained 2 million. Smith we could put on the 4th line until heā€™s out of here, Staal is the one I think weā€™re stuck with. If we draft Seider Iā€™m ok with not trading for or signing a RHD. If we donā€™t though Iā€™ll want Trouba.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 31 @ 12:21 AM ET
Just saw a post today from a Shark fan. He thinks that if/when EK leaves San Jose, then that would be a good landing spot for Shatty. Sounds logical...
- TommyGTrain

Take him.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 31 @ 12:27 AM ET
I think we could find a trade partner for Shattenkirk if we retained 2 million. Smith we could put on the 4th line until heā€™s out of here, Staal is the one I think weā€™re stuck with. If we draft Seider Iā€™m ok with not trading for or signing a RHD. If we donā€™t though Iā€™ll want Trouba.
- nyrangers9479

Iā€™d be floored if Shatty got traded, that would be tremendous
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 31 @ 12:47 AM ET
Iā€™d be floored if Shatty got traded, that would be tremendous
- Slimtj100

He had a bunch of interest when he was asking 7+ a year. If we retained 2-2.5 I could see him having interest from teams. At 4-4.5 heā€™s not bad for a team looking for an offensive minded dman. The Vancouver blog weā€™re saying theyā€™d love him a few weeks back but I doubt he would put them on his list.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 31 @ 1:17 AM ET
ā€œHis limited no-trade clause allows him to pick 10 teams to add to a no-trade list. Shattenkirk would need to give his permission to be traded to these teams.ā€

So thereā€™s 20 teams we could trade him to, letā€™s get it done. Apparently we offered to retain 50% of his contract at the deadline but couldnā€™t make a deal. Maybe weā€™d be willing to accept less now that we have Fox.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 31 @ 4:30 AM ET
Yes, a good puck moving defenseman to run the PP. Whoā€™s the shutdown guy? We have 1 defensive prospect on the right side in Nils. Who else? Crowley? At center we also have Morgan Barron who had a great season. Thatā€™s 4 young possible centers that would be blocked by trading for a 2nd line center.
- nyrangers9479


Rykov plays the right side despite being lefty shot

jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 31 @ 5:04 AM ET
Well you answered that and not too long winded. I just feel the guy bled for you for 9 years and was all class. Every single pending UFA has to say the "right" things, that's told to them by the agent, he didn't do anything no other guy in his position would have done.
- B2B76



jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 31 @ 5:19 AM ET
Wade Redden two years with Rangers:

GP: 156
goals: 5
assists: 35
points: 40
plus/minus: +3


Kevin Shattenkirk two years with Rangers
:

GP: 119
goals: 7
assists: 45
points: 52
plus/minus: -29

Dan Boyle two years with Rangers
:

GP: 139
goals: 19
assists: 25
points: 45
plus/minus: +18


did we not appreciate Boyle enough?
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