Wade Redden two years with Rangers:

GP: 156
goals: 5
assists: 35
points: 40
plus/minus: +3


Kevin Shattenkirk two years with Rangers:

GP: 119
goals: 7
assists: 45
points: 52
plus/minus: -29

Dan Boyle two years with Rangers:

GP: 139
goals: 19
assists: 25
points: 45
plus/minus: +18


did we not appreciate Boyle enough?
- jimbro83

I don't know if appreciate is the right word. We have unrealistic expectations of someone who was in the twilight of the twilight of his career. He did about as well as could have reasonably be expected of him.

I don't know if appreciate is the right word. We have unrealistic expectations of someone who was in the twilight of the twilight of his career. He did about as well as could have reasonably be expected of him.
- 2sticks1puck

that's something we definitely do a lot on blue line

acquiring Trouba would be a change from the norm, a guy who's best years still should be yet to come

I fkin love JD! He so passionate about this organization, they’re in good hands🤗

He made it a point a couple times to say, teams can’t make dumb decisions in FA and players available in the summers have to fit monetarily and have to fit at the right time for the team.

So that’s tell me -
Panarin, yes
EK, no

And not sure if he meant to, but he kind slipped and said “Kakko” as if he was on the team already. Like us!
- Slimtj100

Yeah, I heard JD on XM yesterday, and he said the Rangers have a lot of young guys coming up, including Kakko.

Maybe he knows something.

Wade Redden two years with Rangers:

GP: 156
goals: 5
assists: 35
points: 40
plus/minus: +3


Kevin Shattenkirk two years with Rangers:

GP: 119
goals: 7
assists: 45
points: 52
plus/minus: -29

Dan Boyle two years with Rangers:

GP: 139
goals: 19
assists: 25
points: 45
plus/minus: +18


did we not appreciate Boyle enough?
- jimbro83

I think if the memories were fresher, you would feel that we appreciated Boyle the right amount! I would be willing to bet the lion’s share of those point shows were on the PP. He regularly looked stinky for us.

I think if the memories were fresher, you would feel that we appreciated Boyle the right amount! I would be willing to bet the lion’s share of those point shows were on the PP. He regularly looked stinky for us.
- Tonybere

That's kind of my point though, we signed somebody who we knew was pretty much cooked and expected him to be someone he's not. It's like when we had Yandle, if you look at the stats from his career, we pretty much got exactly what we paid for and should of expected. However, there was a contingent of the fan base that I guess expected him to be Brian Leetch and that's not who he is. I never really complained about Boyle or Yandle because we got exactly what we should have expected. I only get upset when guys fall flat on their face like Redden.

Wade Redden two years with Rangers:

GP: 156
goals: 5
assists: 35
points: 40
plus/minus: +3


Kevin Shattenkirk two years with Rangers:

GP: 119
goals: 7
assists: 45
points: 52
plus/minus: -29

Dan Boyle two years with Rangers:

GP: 139
goals: 19
assists: 25
points: 45
plus/minus: +18


did we not appreciate Boyle enough?
- jimbro83

I was the only one who liked him...still stand by it. Especially when he told Larry Brooks to frank off

Moritz Seider
I’m with you on him
- Slimtj100

My choice if he is there at #20 and team doesn't move up

Wade Redden two years with Rangers:

GP: 156
goals: 5
assists: 35
points: 40
plus/minus: +3


Kevin Shattenkirk two years with Rangers:

GP: 119
goals: 7
assists: 45
points: 52
plus/minus: -29

Dan Boyle two years with Rangers:

GP: 139
goals: 19
assists: 25
points: 45
plus/minus: +18


did we not appreciate Boyle enough?
- jimbro83

I think it was more about losing Stralman, but we needed that PP QB.

I was the only one who liked him...still stand by it. Especially when he told Larry Brooks to frank off
- TPC

The entertainment of watching him torture Brooks was worth every penny.

I was the only one who liked him...still stand by it. Especially when he told Larry Brooks to frank off
- TPC

I defended him pretty loudly too. From day one when he signed here the guy didn’t get a chance, it was terrible

Just saw a post today from a Shark fan. He thinks that if/when EK leaves San Jose, then that would be a good landing spot for Shatty. Sounds logical...
- TommyGTrain

They don't have any cap space even if they don't re-sign him. Meier is probably worth $7M, whether he agrees to a cheaper bridge deal or not remains to be seen but he's easily worth $7M and they have a whole bunch of other guys they need to pay.

They don't have any cap space even if they don't re-sign him. Meier is probably worth $7M, whether he agrees to a cheaper bridge deal or not remains to be seen but he's easily worth $7M and they have a whole bunch of other guys they need to pay.
- eichiefs9

After going to the conference finals, I'm sure you can't sell it to your fan base, but it's past time to blow it up. They really should trade Burns, they probably could get a good roster defender and a forward. I'd see if anyone would offer anything to take Martin Jones. I don't think they could swing a trade for Georgie, but I'm sure they could pick up someone half decent to replace Jones.

They don't have any cap space even if they don't re-sign him. Meier is probably worth $7M, whether he agrees to a cheaper bridge deal or not remains to be seen but he's easily worth $7M and they have a whole bunch of other guys they need to pay.
- eichiefs9

There is always plenty of cap space for Shatty

There is always plenty of cap space for Shatty
- TPC

I'm curious, would you do Shatty+20+Georgie+a good prospect for Burns? He's older than EK, but he's been more durable. Burns plays RD, if they did trade him they would get a haul. I'm not sure that in my scenario I offered nearly enough.

I'm curious, would you do Shatty+20+Georgie+a good prospect for Burns? He's older than EK, but he's been more durable. Burns plays RD, if they did trade him they would get a haul. I'm not sure that in my scenario I offered nearly enough.
- 2sticks1puck

i doubt Sharks would move him, especially with Karlsson leaving

After going to the conference finals, I'm sure you can't sell it to your fan base, but it's past time to blow it up. They really should trade Burns, they probably could get a good roster defender and a forward. I'd see if anyone would offer anything to take Martin Jones. I don't think they could swing a trade for Georgie, but I'm sure they could pick up someone half decent to replace Jones.
- 2sticks1puck

Only way they're gonna blow it up is not re-signing Pavs and Thornton, really. That would afford them quite a bit of cap space. Burns is making $8M until he's 40, I don't think anyone is paying big for that. Too risky. They're kinda in the same boat with Jones, too. He's not making an unreasonable number but given his up-and-down struggles they'd probably have to dump him for little return.

I just have a hard time seeing them kick Pavelski and Thornton to the curb. I think they're more likely to trade one of Braun/Dillon and one of M. Karlsson/Sorensen if they want some breathing room.

i doubt Sharks would move him, especially with Karlsson leaving
- TPC

In reality they won't, they can't sell the fanbase on a rebuild after making the conference finals. They really should. Their cap and futures are about as franked up as you can get. In my trade above, they get out from under Burns contract and Shatty's is only for two more years. I look at their cap friendly, and other than Vlasic I'm seeing a bunch of terrible albatrosses (though Jones is close), but they are really going to have trouble soon.

Only way they're gonna blow it up is not re-signing Pavs and Thornton, really. That would afford them quite a bit of cap space. Burns is making $8M until he's 40, I don't think anyone is paying big for that. Too risky. They're kinda in the same boat with Jones, too. He's not making an unreasonable number but given his up-and-down struggles they'd probably have to dump him for little return.

I just have a hard time seeing them kick Pavelski and Thornton to the curb. I think they're more likely to trade one of Braun/Dillon and one of M. Karlsson/Sorensen if they want some breathing room.
- eichiefs9

Burns is a Norris level RD, somebody would bite that bullet. Whether it was wise for someone to do it is another issue, but Burns has been pretty durable and his style of game I could see aging pretty well. Pretty much a better version of Sergei Gonchar who played forever.

Braun and Dillon would get a decent return, though I think they should hold onto them. It's not like they have this plehtora of prospects coming up. I'm not even sure I'd offer someone on Hajek's level for Dillon, but they could probably get a young guy that could potentially play in their lineup.

I'm with you they'd never cut bait with Pavs or Thornton, even though they should with one. I sort of figured them in when I said how much in trouble they were.

Wade Redden two years with Rangers:

GP: 156
goals: 5
assists: 35
points: 40
plus/minus: +3


Kevin Shattenkirk two years with Rangers:

GP: 119
goals: 7
assists: 45
points: 52
plus/minus: -29

Dan Boyle two years with Rangers:

GP: 139
goals: 19
assists: 25
points: 45
plus/minus: +18


did we not appreciate Boyle enough?
- jimbro83

Burns is a Norris level RD, somebody would bite that bullet. Whether it was wise for someone to do it is another issue, but Burns has been pretty durable and his style of game I could see aging pretty well. Pretty much a better version of Sergei Gonchar who played forever.

Braun and Dillon would get a decent return, though I think they should hold onto them. It's not like they have this plehtora of prospects coming up. I'm not even sure I'd offer someone on Hajek's level for Dillon, but they could probably get a young guy that could potentially play in their lineup.

I'm with you they'd never cut bait with Pavs or Thornton, even though they should with one. I sort of figured them in when I said how much in trouble they were.
- 2sticks1puck

I just think the teams that could afford Burns' deal wouldn't want him and the teams that would want him and his deal couldn't afford him. I don't see a contender out there that has all three of: need, assets to get him, cap space to fit him in.

I suppose it's possible but the fact that his "modified" (I use that term lightly in this case) NTC only makes him to select three teams every year that he would accept a trade to is probably prohibitive to most deals if he doesn't want to leave.

I was peeking into one of The Athletic's Q&A's with their SJ writer yesterday. He isn't so sure that Pavelski and Thornton will be back. Someone asked him to handicap it and he threw out 65% Pavelski comes back and a coin flip for Thornton.

I think they definitely bring back Pavs but Thornton is kinda murky. He doesn't provide a whole lot anymore and, even at a discount, isn't particularly productive.

I just think the teams that could afford Burns' deal wouldn't want him and the teams that would want him and his deal couldn't afford him. I don't see a contender out there that has all three of: need, assets to get him, cap space to fit him in.

I suppose it's possible but the fact that his "modified" (I use that term lightly in this case) NTC only makes him to select three teams every year that he would accept a trade to is probably prohibitive to most deals if he doesn't want to leave.

I was peeking into one of The Athletic's Q&A's with their SJ writer yesterday. He isn't so sure that Pavelski and Thornton will be back. Someone asked him to handicap it and he threw out 65% Pavelski comes back and a coin flip for Thornton.

I think they definitely bring back Pavs but Thornton is kinda murky. He doesn't provide a whole lot anymore and, even at a discount, isn't particularly productive.
- eichiefs9

Who's buying the first Chinese Rangers Thornton jersey?

Pavelski is someone the Isles should sign if he makes it to free agency. I mean I would hate that, but that guy is a winner and is money in the playoffs when not hurt. Isles or the Predators.

Who's buying the first Chinese Rangers Thornton jersey?
- 2sticks1puck

I'm mailing one to Tom

Pavelski is someone the Isles should sign if he makes it to free agency. I mean I would hate that, but that guy is a winner and is money in the playoffs when not hurt. Isles or the Predators.
- tbreinold

Yup, I'd take him on a deal with reasonable term without thinking. Probably not comfortable with anything over 3 years though, he's already 34.

The moral of today's story:

Call the Wild if you want to dump your crappy players