That injury history and age should bring him to 9
- TheSabresTaco

That's got the Rangers or Tampa written all over it.

Anyone saying that the Sabres shouldn't sign Skinner because he wants 750K more a year than what they offered should be dragged out on the street and shot. How many 40 goal scorers have the Sabres had? Vanek? Name the last one before that? How many 40 goal scorers are just going to walk into Buffalo and sign a long term deal at a cost lower than what Skinner wants? Especially a 40 goal scorer who scored 40 goals already IN BUFFALO WITH EICHEL/SAM!!! In a sh1t sandwich system no less. 9M for him will be a cake contract in 2-3 years when the cap goes up 15-20M.

The Sabres walking away from Skinner's camp over 500k-1M per year would be up there as the WORST move in franchise history with letting Drury/Briere walk and not giving up Vanek for 4 1sts. Literally.. the worst moves in their history. NO QUESTION.

McDowell?

Home of the Golden Arcs, the Big Mick and Zamunda Fries.
- Powerslave

I'm on garbage now but pretty soon i'll be on Fries and that's where the big bucks come in.

You just hit on why he has a little leverage. He can file for arb twice and be UFA, like Trouba.
- Lunaion

It's a very rare scenario for a player of that caliber. If Reinhart has no interest in being in Buffalo, that's exactly what will happen. Or, if the team low balls him. But players want job security and guaranteed money. They want long term deals if they like their situations.

I'm on garbage now but pretty soon i'll be on Fries and that's where the big bucks come in.
- SABRES 89

😂😂😂

That boy's good!

😂😂😂

That boy's good!
- Powerslave

Yea, good and terrible.

We're already in the thick of it. Pay close watch to the RFA negotiations for elite players. They will be paid much more, and anyone except elite UFAs will be paid much less. There's your balance, plus the rising cap. Every year is 3-4M. Unless you're Panarin, and highly doubtful but maybe Erik Karlsson, you're not breaking 10.
- TheSabresTaco

Player salaries were disproportionate compared to league revenue, definitely during 2005, and still, though not as badly, in 2013. That doesn't sound like it's the case in 2019. It's Gary's job to convince the owners of that. The owners were largely on the right side of the court of public opinion during both lockouts. It's highly doubtful they will be this time around, especially in today's political climate where "the rich" are vilified more often. If there's a work stoppage, which I don't think there will be, at least to the point were games will be missed, it will be because of a strike, and not a lockout.

He's an RFA at the expiration of his current contract. He doesn't have the upper hand in negotiations. This is exactly why this type and length of contract was issued. To maintain control.

He won't sign, nor will he be offered, another two year deal, after playing consistently well, and improving, every single season. The next contract will be a long term contract, and it will be more expensive in 2020 if Reinhart hits career highs. Which I think he will.

Plus, he has arb rights. To avoid arb, a long term deal, for a player like himself, needs to be offered, or he can be a Mark Stone and give the finger to the org.

A long term deal is coming for Reinhart.

Offer the extension after July 1. It doesn't make sense to not do so.
- TheSabresTaco

Your post is good, and I agreed here.
I do think the Sabres would be smart for offering an extension.
No, I doubt Sam takes it.
RFA or not, I guess he let's it ride out, betting on himself for this season to increase the contract more.
That is all I'm saying.

It's a very rare scenario for a player of that caliber. If Reinhart has no interest in being in Buffalo, that's exactly what will happen. Or, if the team low balls him. But players want job security and guaranteed money. They want long term deals if they like their situations.
- TheSabresTaco

It's been rare, but things are changing. Cap room is going to start getting very tight for the good, not great players. Those players have been overpaid for a long time are starting to get squeezed.

Sam's going to want a long term deal, but I think there's going to be a significant gap between the offer and his expectation.

Anyone saying that the Sabres shouldn't sign Skinner because he wants 750K more a year than what they offered should be dragged out on the street and shot. How many 40 goal scorers have the Sabres had? Vanek? Name the last one before that? How many 40 goal scorers are just going to walk into Buffalo and sign a long term deal at a cost lower than what Skinner wants? Especially a 40 goal scorer who scored 40 goals already IN BUFFALO WITH EICHEL/SAM!!! In a sh1t sandwich system no less. 9M for him will be a cake contract in 2-3 years when the cap goes up 15-20M.

The Sabres walking away from Skinner's camp over 500k-1M per year would be up there as the WORST move in franchise history with letting Drury/Briere walk and not giving up Vanek for 4 1sts. Literally.. the worst moves in their history. NO QUESTION.
- JVince11

Keep this post and reread it when Skinner puts up 25/20/45 for $9.0m per.
It should be very comforting.

If he continues to pot 40 every year and put another 20-25 Apples along with it u till age 34, GREAT!!!
I'll remind you that his 9 years in the N has yielded the following goal totals
31
20 (64 games played)
13 (42 game season)
33
18
28
37
24
40

They will regret this contract in 3 years time.

Keep this post and reread it when Skinner puts up 25/20/45 for $9.0m per.
It should be very comforting.

If he continues to pot 40 every year and put another 20-25 Apples along with it u till age 34, GREAT!!!
I'll remind you that his 9 years in the N has yielded the following goal totals
31
20 (64 games played)
13 (42 game season)
33
18
28
37
24
40

They will regret this contract in 3 months time.
- IonSabres

Fixed

Keep this post and reread it when Skinner puts up 25/20/45 for $9.0m per.
It should be very comforting.

If he continues to pot 40 every year and put another 20-25 Apples along with it u till age 34, GREAT!!!
I'll remind you that his 9 years in the N has yielded the following goal totals
31
20 (64 games played)
13 (42 game season)
33
18
28
37
24
40

They will regret this contract in 3 years time.
- IonSabres

The Sabres are also banking on him playing with Eichel during this time frame

Skinner is a 35-45 goal scorer per season playing with Eichel.

Then look at his last 3 seasons. Looking at his goals he has the 3rd most even strength goals for a winger trailing only Patty Kane and Ovechkin.

He got limited PP time in Carolina and didn't play top line minutes (or with top line caliber players)

He is a 11.2% shooter in his career averages 3.29 shots per game average 77 game per season (for this formula i didn't use the games played in the lockout short season).

So he average 253 shots per season which is a 28-29 goal pace in which only 1 season he played with a true #1 center.

Jack has his winger who can finish and keep up with him (and doesn't like to carry the puck as much as Jack does)

Jack is one of the best zone carrying centers in the league.

They won't regret this contract until Jeff is like 32 and slowing down, and by then who knows what the cap will be.

Am I happy its going to be at $9 million? No but I can live with it.

The Sabres are also banking on him playing with Eichel during this time frame

Skinner is a 35-45 goal scorer per season playing with Eichel.

Then look at his last 3 seasons. Looking at his goals he has the 3rd most even strength goals for a winger trailing only Patty Kane and Ovechkin.

He got limited PP time in Carolina and didn't play top line minutes (or with top line caliber players)

He is a 11.2% shooter in his career averages 3.29 shots per game average 77 game per season (for this formula i didn't use the games played in the lockout short season).

So he average 253 shots per season which is a 28-29 goal pace in which only 1 season he played with a true #1 center.

Jack has his winger who can finish and keep up with him (and doesn't like to carry the puck as much as Jack does)

Jack is one of the best zone carrying centers in the league.

They won't regret this contract until Jeff is like 32 and slowing down, and by then who knows what the cap will be.

Am I happy its going to be at $9 million? No but I can live with it.
- Stripes77

well said

The Sabres are also banking on him playing with Eichel during this time frame

Skinner is a 35-45 goal scorer per season playing with Eichel.

Then look at his last 3 seasons. Looking at his goals he has the 3rd most even strength goals for a winger trailing only Patty Kane and Ovechkin.

He got limited PP time in Carolina and didn't play top line minutes (or with top line caliber players)

He is a 11.2% shooter in his career averages 3.29 shots per game average 77 game per season (for this formula i didn't use the games played in the lockout short season).

So he average 253 shots per season which is a 28-29 goal pace in which only 1 season he played with a true #1 center.

Jack has his winger who can finish and keep up with him (and doesn't like to carry the puck as much as Jack does)

Jack is one of the best zone carrying centers in the league.

They won't regret this contract until Jeff is like 32 and slowing down, and by then who knows what the cap will be.

Am I happy its going to be at $9 million? No but I can live with it.
- Stripes77

I don't take issue with any of this.
IF that is the way it plays out.

I like Skinner, but don't like the contract.

I said earlier that the Sabres were in a box that Skinner controlled.
Botts HAD to sign him, the issue was how much his ass was going to hurt.
I suspect it will hurt alot, but really no good option.

If he doesn't produce at a 35-45 G rate annually, it becomes very problematic because he is virtually a 1 dimensional player.

Let me end by saying that I'd rather have him here than not, he is a gamer,
and do hope the rosey projections all blossom. I sense several years of under production from this, his career year, which seems to be the biggest basis of the contract value.

Some interesting developments on the negotiations between the #Sabres and Jeff Skinner came about last night via TSN's Bob McKenzie.

“Sweet spot seems to be an eight-year deal between $8.5 million and $9.5 million”

That’s way too much

Some interesting developments on the negotiations between the #Sabres and Jeff Skinner came about last night via TSN's Bob McKenzie.

“Sweet spot seems to be an eight-year deal between $8.5 million and $9.5 million”

That’s way too much
- lulags

You'd better make peace w it, because it sounds like it's happening

I don't take issue with any of this.
IF that is the way it plays out.

I like Skinner, but don't like the contract.

I said earlier that the Sabres were in a box that Skinner controlled.
Botts HAD to sign him, the issue was how much his ass was going to hurt.
I suspect it will hurt alot, but really no good option.

If he doesn't produce at a 35-45 G rate annually, it becomes very problematic because he is virtually a 1 dimensional player.

Let me end by saying that I'd rather have him here than not, he is a gamer,
and do hope the rosey projections all blossom. I sense several years of under production from this, his career year, which seems to be the biggest basis of the contract value.
- IonSabres

All I will say is he scored and scored a lot playing with Jack

No other winger the Sabres have tried could score like that with Eichel

You said it best, he is a gamer. He has some Briere qualities to him which I really like. Yes he is generally a 1 dimensional player, but goal scorers get paid a premium.

I would be a lot happier if it was $8 million but I am not about to let a 40 goal scorer walk over $1 million.

I would rather have Skinner over a $7 million player plus a Johan Larsson like contract

All I will say is he scored and scored a lot playing with Jack

No other winger the Sabres have tried could score like that with Eichel

You said it best, he is a gamer. He has some Briere qualities to him which I really like. Yes he is generally a 1 dimensional player, but goal scorers get paid a premium.

I would be a lot happier if it was $8 million but I am not about to let a 40 goal scorer walk over $1 million.

I would rather have Skinner over a $7 million player plus a Johan Larsson like contract
- Stripes77

Common ground.
I suspect many feel the same way.

The Sabres are also banking on him playing with Eichel during this time frame

Skinner is a 35-45 goal scorer per season playing with Eichel.

Then look at his last 3 seasons. Looking at his goals he has the 3rd most even strength goals for a winger trailing only Patty Kane and Ovechkin.

He got limited PP time in Carolina and didn't play top line minutes (or with top line caliber players)

He is a 11.2% shooter in his career averages 3.29 shots per game average 77 game per season (for this formula i didn't use the games played in the lockout short season).

So he average 253 shots per season which is a 28-29 goal pace in which only 1 season he played with a true #1 center.

Jack has his winger who can finish and keep up with him (and doesn't like to carry the puck as much as Jack does)

Jack is one of the best zone carrying centers in the league.

They won't regret this contract until Jeff is like 32 and slowing down, and by then who knows what the cap will be.

Am I happy its going to be at $9 million? No but I can live with it.
- Stripes77

Simply not true.

Though he didn't play with top line calibre players because he was the only one.

I'm on garbage now but pretty soon i'll be on Fries and that's where the big bucks come in.
- SABRES 89

oh my

Anyone saying that the Sabres shouldn't sign Skinner because he wants 750K more a year than what they offered should be dragged out on the street and shot. How many 40 goal scorers have the Sabres had? Vanek? Name the last one before that? How many 40 goal scorers are just going to walk into Buffalo and sign a long term deal at a cost lower than what Skinner wants? Especially a 40 goal scorer who scored 40 goals already IN BUFFALO WITH EICHEL/SAM!!! In a sh1t sandwich system no less. 9M for him will be a cake contract in 2-3 years when the cap goes up 15-20M.

The Sabres walking away from Skinner's camp over 500k-1M per year would be up there as the WORST move in franchise history with letting Drury/Briere walk and not giving up Vanek for 4 1sts. Literally.. the worst moves in their history. NO QUESTION.
- JVince11

Skinner is going to be making $2M a year more then Pacioretty and JVR who we were rumoured to sign/trade for this past offseason. If JVR and Pacioretty played a full 82 with Eichel they would have scored 40 as well. That’s the problem.

Simply not true.

Though he didn't play with top line calibre players because he was the only one.
- BINGO!

In 2017-2018 his most common linemates were Derek Ryan and Justin Williams

The Sabres are also banking on him playing with Eichel during this time frame

Skinner is a 35-45 goal scorer per season playing with Eichel.

Then look at his last 3 seasons. Looking at his goals he has the 3rd most even strength goals for a winger trailing only Patty Kane and Ovechkin.

He got limited PP time in Carolina and didn't play top line minutes (or with top line caliber players)

He is a 11.2% shooter in his career averages 3.29 shots per game average 77 game per season (for this formula i didn't use the games played in the lockout short season).

So he average 253 shots per season which is a 28-29 goal pace in which only 1 season he played with a true #1 center.

Jack has his winger who can finish and keep up with him (and doesn't like to carry the puck as much as Jack does)

Jack is one of the best zone carrying centers in the league.

They won't regret this contract until Jeff is like 32 and slowing down, and by then who knows what the cap will be.

Am I happy its going to be at $9 million? No but I can live with it.
- Stripes77

Look at the amount of times you just mentioned Jack in a post about Skinner, now someone rationalize why paying a winger $9M a year when Jack could elevate the play of nearly anyone is a good idea. Anything more then $8M/per is an overpayment for him and I’m not going to apologize for that.

Skinner is going to be making $2M a year more then Pacioretty and JVR who we were rumoured to sign/trade for this past offseason. If JVR and Pacioretty played a full 82 with Eichel they would have scored 40 as well. That’s the problem.
- Pegullaville

Maybe, but it's also possibly they wouldn't have fit well with Eichel. A lot of players don't. I also think Skinner is a significantly better player than either and is 3 years younger.

Skinner is going to be making $2M a year more then Pacioretty and JVR who we were rumoured to sign/trade for this past offseason. If JVR and Pacioretty played a full 82 with Eichel they would have scored 40 as well. That’s the problem.
- Pegullaville

Hmm. I noticed you left out how they’re both older

Both are 30. Skinner is just turning 27.