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bcallaway
St Louis Blues
Location: The Clown may be the source of mirth - but who shall make the clown laugh?
Joined: 03.29.2006

May 30 @ 10:47 AM ET
I'm wondering if my prediction last night of 1 game for Sunny will be the call.

NHL DOPS have a hearing today with Sunny on the hit. Note they did not say it was an in-person hearing.

- Jason Millen


I would be surprised if there's any kind of a suspension. The player put himself in an awkward and bad position.

I like that Backes is chirping about the physical play. Like San Jose, it means its having an affect.

Just like Novacaine. Give it enough time it will work.

These ain't the Carolina Hurricanes..........
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 30 @ 11:21 AM ET
I personally love when McAvoy is behind the Blues net. Can't shot from there and puts a forward on D, well should put a forward on D.
- Jason Millen

He had a couple moments where he was awful.

I think you guys got this, Bergeron is hurting pretty bad apparently. Just gotta keep wearing them all down
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 30 @ 11:24 AM ET
I would be surprised if there's any kind of a suspension. The player put himself in an awkward and bad position.

I like that Backes is chirping about the physical play. Like San Jose, it means its having an affect.

Just like Novacaine. Give it enough time it will work.

These ain't the Carolina Hurricanes..........

- bcallaway


This is the NHL though... probably will be fined. Wondering if they’ll give him a game. Why have a hearing if the player was deemed to have put himself in a vulnerable position?
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

May 30 @ 11:24 AM ET
A real pisser of a win.
- bcallaway



https://twitter.com/Cptn_...tatus/1133961705753587712
Jason Millen
St Louis Blues
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Joined: 01.28.2016

May 30 @ 11:36 AM ET
If there is a suspension(I don't think there should be at all) what is the time frame they have to let the team know by? I could see if there is no time table they would at the last moment hours before the game suspend him and make us rush to figure out who is playing.


The Bruins player put himself in that situation and lost his footing or turned at the last moment. Sunny trying to finish his check did exactly that. Finished his check. Nothing malicious or predatory about the hit

Maybe a fine?? Boston getting the call in their favor again? (frank) Backes' quote after the game. He has always hit like that so is e now calling himself a dirty player?

- BluesDroogie


The hearing is today so the ruling will be today. Of course, the Blues can appeal it (very doubtful unless it is crazy long) but he would still have to serve it until the appeal is held.

I agree that G put himself in a terrible position but imho it was still a bad hit. If I was DOPS I'd give him a game suspension.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

May 30 @ 11:55 AM ET
The hearing is today so the ruling will be today. Of course, the Blues can appeal it (very doubtful unless it is crazy long) but he would still have to serve it until the appeal is held.

I agree that G put himself in a terrible position but imho it was still a bad hit. If I was DOPS I'd give him a game suspension.

- Jason Millen

I don't think he should get a game. Teach the players that if they put themselves in a terrible position like that, there will not be a suspension to protect you.

Players are constantly putting themselves in bad situations as a way to try and draw penalties or get a player to split off and not hit them.
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 30 @ 12:13 PM ET
I don't think he should get a game. Teach the players that if they put themselves in a terrible position like that, there will not be a suspension to protect you.

Players are constantly putting themselves in bad situations as a way to try and draw penalties or get a player to split off and not hit them.

- carcus


How do you square the league’s perceived need to have a disciplinary hearing with teaching the players not to put themselves in a vulnerable position though? If it were both players involved in the hearing, then sure. As it stands, Sunny is facing the league, trying to defend himself when the league has likely already made their decision.

Would you say that, if he’s fined rather than suspended, players are being taught not to put themselves in a vulnerable position?

Honestly, I just want to understand your thoughts on this...
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

May 30 @ 12:35 PM ET
The league can't get out of it's on way. The major against Vegas, hand pass against the Blues, all playoffs the attention has been as much on how bad the officiating is as anything else. Now, in a game where the officials blew more critical calls, when the same hit happens both ways, they only have a hearing for one.

Bruins have all the media attention in their favor, so when they cry about officials, the league makes sure to do something for the sake of PR, regardless of anything else.
mixturebill
Boston Bruins
Location: West Springfield, MA
Joined: 02.07.2014

May 30 @ 1:20 PM ET
Amazing how often it is consistently poor favouring the Bruins.

Two series now started game 1 with a team leading the Bruins only to get the life sucked out of them by Boston getting away with everything, and the the other team called for a series of bad penalties. At the very least it would be nice to see the league, or the refs call the Bruins on the ridiculous embellishment and diving... instead of letting the Boston fans make the call.

- Aetherial

mixturebill
Boston Bruins
Location: West Springfield, MA
Joined: 02.07.2014

May 30 @ 1:21 PM ET
You can't hit Grzelcyk in that situation, regardless of what spot he put himself in. It was numbers all the way, and Sundqvist still plastered him, straight to the back of the head no less. I'm guessing it's a 1 game suspension.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

May 30 @ 1:30 PM ET
Please do not feed the trolls.
mixturebill
Boston Bruins
Location: West Springfield, MA
Joined: 02.07.2014

May 30 @ 1:36 PM ET
Please do not feed the trolls.
- Antilles


Right, because having the correct opinion (see DoPS' announcement today) is being a troll.

I'm not here to troll, I'm here to put some of your egregiously wild homerism in check.
Jason Millen
St Louis Blues
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Joined: 01.28.2016

May 30 @ 1:41 PM ET
Players are constantly putting themselves in bad situations as a way to try and draw penalties or get a player to split off and not hit them.
- carcus


This is the dilemma that creates a big problem imho. Still a bad line and hit by Sunny but I agree that players do what you said a lot.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

May 30 @ 1:51 PM ET
This is the dilemma that creates a big problem imho. Still a bad line and hit by Sunny but I agree that players do what you said a lot.
- Jason Millen


The problem is the NHL only cares about optics. Sunny doesn't do anything differently than the Bruins did for the hit on Blais. However Blais doesn't lose his balance trying to twist around weirdly, so Blais doesn't get injured. Grelcyk does get hurt, and Bruins cry to the media about it, so the NHL steps in to punish Sunny for the exact same actions they ignore others doing in the same game. Sundqvist should be responsible solely for his own actions, not for bad decisions and bad balance from the Bruins. 2 minute penalty? Sure. Hearing with DoPS? Ridiculous.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

May 30 @ 1:54 PM ET
How do you square the league’s perceived need to have a disciplinary hearing with teaching the players not to put themselves in a vulnerable position though? If it were both players involved in the hearing, then sure. As it stands, Sunny is facing the league, trying to defend himself when the league has likely already made their decision.

Would you say that, if he’s fined rather than suspended, players are being taught not to put themselves in a vulnerable position?

Honestly, I just want to understand your thoughts on this...

- eggsegan


I think a simple statement by the DoPS stating that no discipline was given due to the factors including.....

They need to stop suspending based on a player getting hurt and based on the actual action. That is it. Right now, it is more based on optics instead of the actual act.

That play deserved a penalty. And nothing more. They should have looked at it and put out a statement today on why the are not pursuing any further discipline. If you want to risk serious injury for a penalty from the refs, that is something you have to live with.
mixturebill
Boston Bruins
Location: West Springfield, MA
Joined: 02.07.2014

May 30 @ 2:02 PM ET
The problem is the NHL only cares about optics. Sunny doesn't do anything differently than the Bruins did for the hit on Blais. However Blais doesn't lose his balance trying to twist around weirdly, so Blais doesn't get injured. Grelcyk does get hurt, and Bruins cry to the media about it, so the NHL steps in to punish Sunny for the exact same actions they ignore others doing in the same game. Sundqvist should be responsible solely for his own actions, not for bad decisions and bad balance from the Bruins. 2 minute penalty? Sure. Hearing with DoPS? Ridiculous.
- Antilles


The Nordstrom hit on Blais was shoulder to shoulder, and nothing even close to the hit Sundqvist put on Grzelcyk. Nordstrom came from the side, Sundqvist came from directly behind Grzelcyk. And Sundqvist is responsible for his own actions, which is why he has a hearing with DoPS for lighting up a dude that had his back to him the entire time. See what I'm talking about with the egregious homerism?

https://twitter.com/Lucas.../1133912683365969922?s=20
.....
St Louis Blues
Location: MO
Joined: 06.23.2011

May 30 @ 2:40 PM ET
The Nordstrom hit on Blais was shoulder to shoulder, and nothing even close to the hit Sundqvist put on Grzelcyk. Nordstrom came from the side, Sundqvist came from directly behind Grzelcyk. And Sundqvist is responsible for his own actions, which is why he has a hearing with DoPS for lighting up a dude that had his back to him the entire time. See what I'm talking about with the egregious homerism?

https://twitter.com/Lucas.../1133912683365969922?s=20

- mixturebill


Honestly boarding has become normal in the NHL, I can't count how many times this year I've seen the defensman slammed from behind in the numbers. This one is particularly bad due to the positioning Grzelcyk put himself it, the head wasn't intended but it was hit. I don't care about the Blais or Thomas hits, they're fine but they both put themselves in bad position too.
Jason Millen
St Louis Blues
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Joined: 01.28.2016

May 30 @ 6:16 PM ET
What's up with the crickets from the NHL DOPS and national media et all on the Sundqvist hearing? This is starting to wonder if the NHL tried to get aggressive with the number of games.
Jason Millen
St Louis Blues
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Joined: 01.28.2016

May 30 @ 7:00 PM ET
The NHL's Department of Player Safety on Thursday morning requested a hearing, which was held at 3 p.m. and a decision will come down sometime Thursday evening or Friday morning.
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

May 30 @ 7:37 PM ET
The hearing is today so the ruling will be today. Of course, the Blues can appeal it (very doubtful unless it is crazy long) but he would still have to serve it until the appeal is held.

I agree that G put himself in a terrible position but imho it was still a bad hit. If I was DOPS I'd give him a game suspension.

- Jason Millen

Now a day removed it was a bad hit, but if G didn't lose footing and continues the play I don't know if the hit is on the numbers. At the same time lots of hits are on the numbers but not driving through them like Sunny did New way of hitting.

Hopefully Thomas is okay and ready. Sandford has not shown anything to like about his game in his limited time. Thankfully Blais rose to the challenge!
Jason Millen
St Louis Blues
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Joined: 01.28.2016

May 30 @ 8:35 PM ET
Hopefully Thomas is okay and ready. Sandford has not shown anything to like about his game in his limited time. Thankfully Blais rose to the challenge!
- BluesDroogie


Thomas is not ok and ready. Don't expect to see Thomas again this playoffs.

If it was me and Sunny was out, I wouldn't insert Sanford. I'd likely insert MacEachern before Sanford but you may see him role with seven D, bringing Dunn back in for specialist duty at home with last change - Power play, Offensive zone good match-ups, etc.
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

May 30 @ 9:35 PM ET
Thomas is not ok and ready. Don't expect to see Thomas again this playoffs.

If it was me and Sunny was out, I wouldn't insert Sanford. I'd likely insert MacEachern before Sanford but you may see him role with seven D, bringing Dunn back in for specialist duty at home with last change - Power play, Offensive zone good match-ups, etc.

- Jason Millen

What is the injury to Thomas? Absolutely insert Mac, forgot about him
arh777
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Yorba Linda, CA
Joined: 03.27.2012

May 30 @ 9:42 PM ET
What is the injury to Thomas? Absolutely insert Mac, forgot about him
- BluesDroogie



One game!
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

May 30 @ 9:49 PM ET
What is the injury to Thomas? Absolutely insert Mac, forgot about him
- BluesDroogie


Krug ended Thomas's playoffs with his charge, they just aren't announcing it because there is no advantage to letting Boston know for sure he won't be playing. Though obviously, the Blues should have gone the Bruins route of crying to the media, forced the NHL to do something about it.
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 30 @ 10:01 PM ET
One game!
- arh777


https://www.nhl.com/news/...c-307621494?tid=277549076
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