Percentage wise, Murray is shaping up to be more successful than Darcy, when you take 2004-2011.
- TheSabresTaco

We will see in the long run but Murray doesn't have anyone drafted in the third round or later that is a difference maker or on a NHL roster regularly.

Darcy had several that played over 300 games that he drafted after the 2nd round.

Plus it's funny how you use those years for Darcy when everyone knows that's when they eliminated the scouting budget and went to video scouting.

Regier was actually very good at drafting. His problem is that he paid his draft picks like stars.
- buffalofan19

Correct

He overpaid his draft picks

But he found decent NHL players especially outside the top 2 rounds

And supposedly Botts told his dad that he wants him and would take him at 3. Supposedly.
- TheSabresTaco

Hopefully he was just Trying to ruffle some feathers it be pretty dumb to lay out all your cards on the table

now teams know your desperate to trade for him

I'd be losing my mind the whole time the Wings were on the clock.
- PrinceChill

I'm just hoping someone before us falls in love with Pod.

He plays a fantastic 200 ft game for a player his age. If it translates over to the NHL he’ll be a stud. He doesn’t really have many holes in his game you can pick at. Chicago boy, could be their next Toews.
- Pegullaville

Are you talking Turcotte here?

Wings are going Centre by the looks of it. They really scouted Dach heavily in the WHL playoffs
- Pegullaville

I fully expect their pick to break my heart. Should I guard against this by focusing on wingers like Boldy and Caufield?

I'm just hoping someone before us falls in love with Pod.
- RhinoFan

Please, oh please. Seems increasingly unlikely though.

Are you talking Turcotte here?
- JVince11

He is.

Are you talking Turcotte here?
- JVince11

Yes

Turcotte Is a complete player people would instantly forget about Ryan O’Reilly if we drafted him but I still see him going third overall there’s no way they’re going to pass on the home town guy That will likely have a C someday

Regier was actually very good at drafting. His problem is that he paid his draft picks like stars.
- buffalofan19

Alrite...2004-2011

Leaving out 1st round picks.

Sekera, Kaleta, Butler, Gerbe, Enroth, Weber, Biega, Byron, McNabb, Foligno

10 picks in 8 years. 5 have washed out of the league. Not a single top 6 F. Two decent D men.

Now let's look at his 1st rounders, 2004-2011

Stafford, Zagrapan, Persson, Myers, Ennis, Kassian, Pysyk, Armia

Christ.

2012 was a pretty decent year for him, landing two guys in Ullmark and McCabe. Negates totally (frank)ing up the first round. 2013 was his best year, on accident. Zadorov and Risto are fine players, Petersen looks good, Compher is solid. It's 2004-2011 that completely nuked this team.

We will see in the long run but Murray doesn't have anyone drafted in the third round or later that is a difference maker or on a NHL roster regularly.

Darcy had several that played over 300 games that he drafted after the 2nd round.

Plus it's funny how you use those years for Darcy when everyone knows that's when they eliminated the scouting budget and went to video scouting.
- Stripes77

Now is about when depth guys should be making an impact. Oloffson would be the first, followed by Borgen. Potentially.

That's insigificant to the point. I don't really give a poop who drafted what. My point has always been, we suck because our drafts were bad. And they were. Go find me the impact top 6 players and top 4 defenders outside the first round. This team regardless of the GM did not bring those players here.

And that's why we suck.

Now is about when depth guys should be making an impact. Oloffson would be the first, followed by Borgen. Potentially.

That's insigificant to the point. I don't really give a poop who drafted what. My point has always been, we suck because our drafts were bad. And they were. Go find me the impact top 6 players and top 4 defenders outside the first round. This team regardless of the GM did not bring those players here.

And that's why we suck.
- TheSabresTaco

Go do that for every team

You'll find a handful of players

The main reason the Sabres have sucked has been lack of quality depth

Which is on Murray

2014 second rd picks by murray sums up my feelings on him

he had 3 picks

lemieux, cornel, karabacek


if he took Pettersson, Montour and Dvorak instead

Go do that for every team

You'll find a handful of players

The main reason the Sabres have sucked has been lack of quality depth

Which is on Murray
- Stripes77

I'm not defending Murray. I'm trying to make a point that this percieved greatness, or quality, that Darcy offered the Buffalo Sabres with his drafting skill is a complete misconception, especially for that 8 year stretch.

Yes, I can look at any team, but I'd be willing to bet most, especially the perennial playoff contenders, found useful players outside round 1.

What the (frank) have we done?

2014 second rd picks by murray sums up my feelings on him

he had 3 picks

lemieux, cornel, karabacek


if he took Pettersson, Montour and Dvorak instead
- homiedclown

I wanted to question the Pettersson portion of the comment, but then I realized, used TP was more useful than Karabacek.

I'm not defending Murray. I'm trying to make a point that this percieved greatness, or quality, that Darcy offered the Buffalo Sabres with his drafting skill is a complete misconception, especially for that 8 year stretch.

Yes, I can look at any team, but I'd be willing to bet most, especially the perennial playoff contenders, found useful players outside round 1.

What the (frank) have we done?
- TheSabresTaco

Darcy found decent depth players in those rounds

Kotalik, Max, Soupy, Miller, Goose

His issue was he was AWFUL in the first round!

What the (frank) have we done?
- TheSabresTaco

lost

a lot

Darcy found decent depth players in those rounds

Kotalik, Max, Soupy, Miller, Goose

His issue was he was AWFUL in the first round!
- Stripes77

He was good before 2004. Hence the 8 year sample of why he should have been fired in 2009.

He was good before 2004. Hence the 8 year sample of why he should have been fired in 2009.
- TheSabresTaco

Video Scouting...

The Sabres did that to themselves IMO

He could be a very nice pick. Watching his highlights, it looked like almost every one of his goals was set up by Zegras.
- PrinceChill

I'd rather have Zegras.

Video Scouting...

The Sabres did that to themselves IMO
- Stripes77

the worst part is he pouted when the habs took tinordi and he was "forced" to take pysyk


tinordi was a much worse "nhl" player and he was so bent on grabbing a d man he left hayes, coyle, kuznetsov and nelson on the board

I'd rather have Zegras.
- mhp

finally watched deadwood


I give it a 7, only because it was good to see Al

movie could have been so much better and they could have made it about 15 minutes longer to really wrap things up

finally watched deadwood


I give it a 7, only because it was good to see Al

movie could have been so much better and they could have made it about 15 minutes longer to really wrap things up
- homiedclown

Agreed. A 7 is probably what I would give it. Just wish they killed Hearst in the thoroughfare.

Frankly I'm more interested in what the team does in June than I am from what Darcy and Murray did to this team.

I like the guys Botts picked up the past 2 years in the draft. A lot of promising players that haven't proven anything yet. Hope to see Pekar and Bryson adjust to the AHL. Botts snagged a real nice UDFA in Pilut. UPL looks great. Laaksonen came out of no where. Hopefully the org is still high on Samuelsson, but he had a nice WJC tourney.