Not based on stats he's not.

How many teams is he the #3 C?
- RogerRoeper

He had 44 points last year... has greased some clubs wrong over the years. His market isnt huge.

Look at that roster...
- RogerRoeper

That roster got farther in the playoffs than the Leafs did. Better head coach. Better GM.

That roster got farther in the playoffs than the Leafs did. Better head coach. Better GM.
- gergeswillems

1 more win. And that's irrelevant now. Leafs have far better roster

He had 44 points last year... has greased some clubs wrong over the years. His market isnt huge.
- wreckage

Yes because of playin a 3rd line role with crappy wingers. When used as a #2 he's an established 30 point C. In fact he actually ranks top 30 in points by Cs the past 3 years.

Cap space. They will get cap space. That is the point. That is huge value.

Zaitsev is a RHD who was very good in the playoffs.

So you are saying Leafs will take back a combined 10.8 million for trading Marleau and Zaitsev?
- RogerRoeper

Do you realize how manh teams are looking to clear up space this offseason? Vegas is over the cap already, calgary would pay someone to take Neal, edmonton to take russell/Lucic, sj needs room for their entry guys, tampa is figuring out the lesser of poisons to lose, detroit would love to have a bad contract taken away....

This isnt 5 years ago where 10 teams had free space.

Who the f orders Dominoes pizza anymore?
- Sinisalo4vr

Do you even pan bro?

Do you realize how manh teams are looking to clear up space this offseason? Vegas is over the cap already, calgary would pay someone to take Neal, edmonton to take russell/Lucic, sj needs room for their entry guys, tampa is figuring out the lesser of poisons to lose, detroit would love to have a bad contract taken away....

This isnt 5 years ago where 10 teams had free space.
- wreckage

So you believe Leafs won't clear cap space? Ok....

You will not be happy at what the Leafs do this offseason.

Let me guess, Marner's gone by offersheet! Oh no!

1 more win. And that's irrelevant now. Leafs have far better roster
- RogerRoeper

One more series win. Keep trolling.

Yes because of playin a 3rd line role with crappy wingers. When used as a #2 he's an established 30 point C. In fact he actually ranks top 30 in points by Cs the past 3 years.
- RogerRoeper

He has established himself as a capable 3c. Not a 2c. He wont grab a reward in trade as a 2c, and teams are not willing to overpay in trade and contract for that. He may net a good prospect or 2, but he will also demand a contract in return.

You act like teams will just do whatever to help the leafs. But they are looking to help themselves, not the other teams. No one will take marleau or Kadri or Zaitsev without returning contracts. And the RFAs are not signing cheap.

One more series win. Keep trolling.
- gergeswillems

So that makes Isles a better team right now?

You know how everyone mentions the Leafs RFAs? Do you know how many UFAs Isles have?

[quote=RogerRoeper]
I didn't make it up. The Isles won a playoff series. The Leafs didn't. Just because it bothers you doesn't make it any less true. So the Isles aren't keeping Lee? I didn't know it was official. Thanks for the heads up.

He has established himself as a capable 3c. Not a 2c. He wont grab a reward in trade as a 2c, and teams are not willing to overpay in trade and contract for that. He may net a good prospect or 2, but he will also demand a contract in return.

You act like teams will just do whatever to help the leafs. But they are looking to help themselves, not the other teams. No one will take marleau or Kadri or Zaitsev without returning contracts. And the RFAs are not signing cheap.
- wreckage

You are not counting statistics, are you? Because He's a #2 by every statistic,

And LOL at spinning Kadri as some cap dump.

You are not counting statistics, are you? Because He's a #2 by every statistic,

And LOL at spinning Kadri as some cap dump.
- RogerRoeper

Name 1.

Do you realize how manh teams are looking to clear up space this offseason? Vegas is over the cap already, calgary would pay someone to take Neal, edmonton to take russell/Lucic, sj needs room for their entry guys, tampa is figuring out the lesser of poisons to lose, detroit would love to have a bad contract taken away....

This isnt 5 years ago where 10 teams had free space.
- wreckage

Nashville is looking to unload too. Paid way too much for Turris and PK. Plus gotta make room for Duchene...

Nashville is looking to unload too. Paid way too much for Turris and PK. Plus gotta make room for Duchene...
- FoxMulder

Preds are still in good shape because Poile is so good at drafting. He's always adding good young talent on entry level contracts. Fabbro being the latest one.

Name 1.
- gergeswillems

He's definitely a #2

You are not counting statistics, are you? Because He's a #2 by every statistic,

And LOL at spinning Kadri as some cap dump.
- RogerRoeper

Why bother man...It’s the HB internet. You’re not going to win any of these arguments even if there true or not.

Name 1.
- gergeswillems

Points? Goals?

Are Isles fans ready for no playoffs? Because no way they repeat what they did last year.
- RogerRoeper

Points? Goals?
- RogerRoeper

Kadri. 16 goals. 28 assists. 44 points. Second line centre baby!

Kadri. 16 goals. 28 assists. 44 points. Second line centre baby!
- gergeswillems

Frans Nielsen. 3rd line centre. 10 goals. 25 assists. 35 points. Apparently Kadri's 9 more points makes him a second line centre.

Kadri. 16 goals. 28 assists. 44 points. Second line centre baby!
- gergeswillems

With 3rd C usage and TOI.... Best in the NHL. Last 2 seasons used as 2nd line C-31 goals each year.

You guys are embarrassing yourselves.

Frans Nielsen. 3rd line centre. 10 goals. 25 assists. 35 points. Apparently Kadri's 9 more points makes him a second line centre.
- gergeswillems

Nielson actually was used more than Kadri last year.

Some people are funny. Trying to draw parallels between Frans Nielsen and Nazem Kadri. The agendas are so blatant.

And yes, the difference between a low 30s and mid 40 point player is definitely a more significant gap than some may pretend.

We all know when put in a top 6 role, Kadri can score 30ish goals, and 55 plus points. He had a down year, but that is in part because of the role he played, and anyone paying attention knows that.

As far as “2nd line centre” goes, I suppose that depends on how you define it. If put on a second line, and given second line ice, he’ll almost certainly be in the top 60 of scoring for centres. He was barely outside it this year, in a third line role, missing 10 games. On probably 20 teams, he’d be their second line centre.

That’s not really the definition I use though. Every team’s goal is to win the cup. So I like to look at building a team in that context. If Nazem Kadri is your second line centre, you’re probably not among the top 5 to 10 teams in the league. So I’d call him a third line centre.

One more series win. Keep trolling.
- gergeswillems

As rosters sit right now, you rather have Leafs roster or Isles?