If Risto starts putting up 60 points per season nobody would care about how bad he is in his own zone or even his terrible +/-
- Stripes77

Damn right. If he's scoring 60-70 points with 19 mins per game, I'd be yelling at everyone to keep him for the long haul

sure they did...

Eichel performed like the franchise player he was drafted to be at No. 2-overall
Reinhart finally performed like a player close to being worthy of a second-overall pick
Skinner performed like the veteran 7th-overall player that he was
Dahlin showed immense promise as a 18 yr. old franchise defenseman selected first-overall

Ristolainen scored one less point than Dahlin
- Michael Pachla

And was significantly worse defensively, especially at even strength.

sure they did...

Eichel performed like the franchise player he was drafted to be at No. 2-overall
Reinhart finally performed like a player close to being worthy of a second-overall pick
Skinner performed like the veteran 7th-overall player that he was
Dahlin showed immense promise as a 18 yr. old franchise defenseman selected first-overall

Ristolainen scored one less point than Dahlin
- Michael Pachla

With 3 more minutes per game played

Give Dahlin that extra 246 minutes of ice time and I would bet he would have hit 50 points in his rookie year

Sure

People on here dog Risto for high PP points.....


Trouba had.... *checks notes*... 8 of his 50 points at 5 on 5 this past season.
- JVince11

this isn't dogging. It's simply stating what he's good at, and conversely, what he's not good at. Which is 5v5 scoring.

Also, your Trouba point is blatently incorrect.

He had 29 5v5 points, 15 pp.

People on here dog Risto for high PP points.....


Trouba had.... *checks notes*... 8 of his 50 points at 5 on 5 this past season.
- JVince11

Idk where you got that.

29 points even strength

24 points 5-on-5

https://www.hockey-refere...ubja01-advanced-5on5.html

Counterpoint:


- jcragcrumple

Loved that hit

But McCabe isn't a huge hit guy in fact he hits 50% less often than Risto

Soupies hit in the playoffs another example of a guy who didn't hit a lot but made a huge hit

Those hits happen what 3 or 4 a month in the NHL in over hundreds of NHL games played a month?

Rsito's 6th coach? Anyone really expecting a fundamental change in what appears to be a very stubborn player?
- Lunaion

let's play name the coaches:

ron "garden glove" Rolston who had more of an understanding of zippers than nhl hockey

ted Nolan--who had nothing to work with in 2014-15 and was given less after the trade deadline

dan Bylsma--a obstinate coach with an eastern conference background given a western conference style team...

phil Housley--dolt

Loved that hit

But McCabe isn't a huge hit guy in fact he hits 50% less often than Risto

Soupies hit in the playoffs another example of a guy who didn't hit a lot but made a huge hit

Those hits happen what 3 or 4 a month in the NHL in over hundreds of NHL games played a month?
- Stripes77

I'll take any excuse to post that hit

Idk where you got that.

29 points even strength

24 points 5-on-5

https://www.hockey-refere...ubja01-advanced-5on5.html
- jcragcrumple

I can't math, but point stands.

Check your notes again Vince.

Idk where you got that.

29 points even strength

24 points 5-on-5

https://www.hockey-refere...ubja01-advanced-5on5.html
- jcragcrumple

Yeah and much better possession numbers than Risto...by a long shot

Sure

I'll take any excuse to post that hit
- jcragcrumple

Counterpoint: Works for me!!!

Not sure if this was mentioned or not but it really stood out to me that Ralph Kreuger was all alone on stage during his press conference. I think Bylsma and housley both had people with them. To me that’s a sign of strength for our new coach and speaks volumes to me.

Idk where you got that.

29 points even strength

24 points 5-on-5

https://www.hockey-refere...ubja01-advanced-5on5.html
- jcragcrumple

Sunuvafemale dog.... I was looking at 5 on 5 "close" stats...


I'm going to lunch on that note.... christ. Good call out.

Sunuvafemale dog.... I was looking at 5 on 5 "close" stats...


I'm going to lunch on that note.... christ. Good call out.
- JVince11

At least we can admit when we make mistakes...well most of us!

Same here on me with the possession numbers

But anyway enjoy your lunch

except for what I expressed in the post. Simmonds and Cally offer, at this stage, about the same 5v5 points. However, Simmonds will provide a lot more on the PP. If you're taking in either player, it's for bottom 6 and/or 4th line roles and for leadership.
- TheSabresTaco

Callahan has 57 even strength points in the last 4 years


Simmonds has 56 even strength goals in the same time frame plus 60 assists.


I want zero to do with either player on this team but I rest my case with again one guy can still play hockey, the other is useless.

Callahan has 57 even strength points in the last 4 years


Simmonds has 56 even strength goals in the same time frame plus 60 assists.


I want zero to do with either player on this team but I rest my case with again one guy can still play hockey, the other is useless.
- dadeadhead

case unrested.

You can't use the past 4 years for two physical players in a game where power forwards rapidly decrease in effectiveness by their early 30's.

Are you really going to tell me Cally offers "nothing"

Callahan has 57 even strength points in the last 4 years


Simmonds has 56 even strength goals in the same time frame plus 60 assists.


I want zero to do with either player on this team but I rest my case with again one guy can still play hockey, the other is useless.
- dadeadhead

The argument, to me, isn't who is better, but the only reason a team acquires Callahan is to get another asset or two that is good in order to clear cap space for Tampa that Callahan is eating.

So any argument has to include the other asset as well imo.

Callahan + something good

Or

Simmonds

Counterpoint:


- jcragcrumple

Why is Schiefele coming over like it was some cheap hit? Lol.. Laine had the puck and his head down in the middle of the ice. McCabe didn't even lower the boom into the guy...

And was significantly worse defensively, especially at even strength.
- Sabresfan-365

sure he was...but every defenseman had troubles in their own end...risto also lead the team in even-strength time on ice the last four years and was placed in the most difficult situations...

i'm not going to argue that risto is on par with dahlin...nor will I argue that he's a top-pairing d-man either...phil Housley coached the way he played--offensively gifted, defensive dolt...to dismiss that is an injustice

This team can't keep the puck out of their own end.

I fully recognize Callahan makes too much money. But he's still useful in a defensive role. Again, I'm trading for him only if we make the trade similar to the Teravainen trade.

The argument, to me, isn't who is better, but the only reason a team acquires Callahan is to get another asset or two that is good in order to clear cap space for Tampa that Callahan is eating.

So any argument has to include the other asset as well imo.

Callahan + something good

Or

Simmonds
- jcragcrumple

My pause for Simmonds would be his term and maybe salary demands. At least with Cally, it's only one year, and if you want him back for a few years, his cap will be greatly decreased to fit his role, which, let's be honest, doesn't exist here today.

sure he was...but every defenseman had troubles in their own end...risto also lead the team in even-strength time on ice the last four years and was placed in the most difficult situations...

i'm not going to argue that risto is on par with dahlin...nor will I argue that he's a top-pairing d-man either...phil Housley coached the way he played--offensively gifted, defensive dolt...to dismiss that is an injustice
- Michael Pachla

Which is why this article is something I'd encourage everyone to read.

https://www.diebytheblade...astically-change-his-role

case unrested.

You can't use the past 4 years for two physical players in a game where power forwards rapidly decrease in effectiveness by their early 30's.

Are you really going to tell me Cally offers "nothing"


- TheSabresTaco

There’s a reason he’s only playing 11 mins a night.

It’s because he’s not good at playing hockey anymore.