This is true... but every team in the league wants to upgrade the blue line.... so of course we are stuck with reclamation projects....we don't have the currency to pay the price in trade. Well atleast JB has so far resisted shipping out the young talent needed to make such a deal happen !
- Bullfrog77

Then he keep trying to find an upgrade and should stay patient if the prices are too high instead of throwing more assets away at castoffs

When their partners are playing better than them then I look at the scouts. If Green believed that Edler, Tanev, Stecher and Hutton were holding Gudbranson, Del Zotto, Sbisa, Clendening and Pouliot back then I’m guessing he would’ve told Benning and Benning would’ve adjusted accordingly.

I think we can agree to disagree here. I think the Canucks dmen are a mediocre/weak group but the players being brought in are worse.
- Nucker101

As you said it is who I think they will bring in , it is not my wish list. I do think people in here won't like whomever we bring in so I really don't care what everyone thinks lol.

You do love drama
- Makita

Lol I dabble.

To be fair, it was civil discussion before a certain common denominator showed up

I’ll wait for a full season on EG first, he had good stretches here too


- Nucker101

To be fair, he'll probably still look better in Pittsburgh to a certain degree. It really shouldn't be a surprise considering he's playing on a team that has recently won the cup and been a contender for a decade.

Look at the plugs that have looked like heroes for that franchise over the years. If he was paid like a bottom pairing defender he could be part of the solution for a team, but he's not so he becomes part of the problem.

Trading young assets for that kind of player is detrimental to team building.

Then he keep trying to find an upgrade and should stay patient if the prices are too high instead of throwing more assets away at castoffs
- Nucker101

Isn't Tanev a castoff also? For the last three years we have been trying to trade his ass out the door .

Canucks don’t need more 4-6 dmen and 3rd-4th liners

The roster is full of “able bodies”

Playoff teams pick those guys up at the TDL because their coaches want veteran insurance in case of injuries, not because they think those guys will be actual upgrades

Zaitsev is likely just another depth player to add to the steaming pile.
- Nucker101

Need extra bodies for long playoffs is correct.

Zaitsev might be an actual upgrade over current Biega and Schenn.

It comes down to the value that you can get the player before. If the value isn't going to hurt the club at all why not have three 4-6 right side defenders and choose from the best.

Isn't Tanev a castoff also? For the last three years we have been trying to trade his ass out the door .
- VANTEL

His issue is injuries though, when he plays he’s a top 4 dman. Zaitsev’s issue is not being a reliable defender on a good team.

I know which castoff I’d rather have

To be fair, he'll probably still look better in Pittsburgh to a certain degree. It really shouldn't be a surprise considering he's playing on a team that has recently won the cup and been a contender for a decade.

Look at the plugs that have looked like heroes for that franchise over the years. If he was paid like a bottom pairing defender he could be part of the solution for a team, but he's not so he becomes part of the problem.

Trading young assets for that kind of player is detrimental to team building.
- golfingsince

So the people you surround him with does matter. That was my whole point with Nucker.

Then he keep trying to find an upgrade and should stay patient if the prices are too high instead of throwing more assets away at castoffs
- Nucker101

Benning needs one more draft and one more year of developing prospects and I think we will see what being patient has done for the team.

5 minute hi-lite clips > what scouts think
- manvanfan

Does it not seem a little curious that the very next game that Gudbrandson leaves here he looks better?

Sbisa leaves here and plays an important role for the SCF
Del Zotto leaves here and is playing in the SCF
Bonino good bye Canucks hello Stanly Cup
- VANTEL

In every case you present, said player is leaving for a better team. I wouldn’t say Sbisa played an “important role”. Pretty sure he was a healthy scratch most games in the final.

Goody looking better doesn’t mean he looks good.

There was never anything wrong with Bonino.

Poor coaching, poor management.

- RealityChecker

- RealityChecker

That's not factual

His issue is injuries though, when he plays he’s a top 4 dman. Zaitsev’s issue is not being a reliable defender on a good team.

I know which castoff I’d rather have
- Nucker101

Zaitsev played 81 games and had 3 G 14 pts was +2

Tanev played 55 games had 2 G 12 pts +3

I'll take the guy that can stay healthy

In every case you present, said player is leaving for a better team. I wouldn’t say Sbisa played an “important role”. Pretty sure he was a healthy scratch most games in the final.

Goody looking better doesn’t mean he looks good.

There was never anything wrong with Bonino.

Poor coaching, poor management.
- 1970vintage

Vegas first year in the league.

Yes the teams are better where they went . That is the whole point of the discussion. How can you call a player terrible when as soon as he leaves this team he looks better.

When their partners are playing better than them then I look at the scouts. If Green believed that Edler, Tanev, Stecher and Hutton were holding Gudbranson, Del Zotto, Sbisa, Clendening and Pouliot back then I’m guessing he would’ve told Benning and Benning would’ve adjusted accordingly.

I think we can agree to disagree here. I think the Canucks dmen are a mediocre/weak group but the players being brought in are worse.
- Nucker101

they have all been picked, traded, swapped, sent down.

Able body defenders they are. Still have a value.

Same as Zaitsev. My friend said he thought he had negative value. I don't think he's a negative value player yet.
- manvanfan

When the Leafs were very short on RHD & still are & overplay Hainsey that rings bells. Zaitsev had to pick up his partner was the result. That’s bound to put him in a bad light. Idk how good or not he is but if any truth to him coming here I’ll wait to see on the trade before getting excited one way or the other. 1 player isn’t a make it or break scenario given the holes we have.

Vegas first year in the league.

Yes the teams are better where they went . That is the whole point of the discussion. How can you call a player terrible when as soon as he leaves this team he looks better.
- VANTEL

In a few years the canucks will make players look better

Zaitsev played 81 games and had 3 G 14 pts was +2

Tanev played 55 games had 2 G 12 pts +3

I'll take the guy that can stay healthy
- VANTEL

You would take a bottom pairing dman with defensive deficiencies over a top 4 shut down dman. Cool.

That's a pretty lame line of thought.

Most NHL executives get that position by applying their entire life toward that field of work. Some others get appointed to positions by being cozy with someone in a position of power.

I knew I could run the Dolphins better than Mike Tannenbaum could before they hired him. There are plenty of fans for every team out there across every sport that have a better idea on how to run an organization and chart a path than many of the GM's do.

That can be said about nearly every field out there. Just because you don't have the formal training and experience deemed necessary to succeed in a given field doesn't mean you don't have the ability to do it.
- golfingsince

Moneyball

Outside of the box thinking at its best 👍

So the people you surround him with does matter. That was my whole point with Nucker.
- VANTEL

It does, but that's applicable to any player in the league.

How many times has McDavid made the playoffs?

It was a bad trade from the get go that only got worse due to injury and unrealistic expectations. He's not the type of player to overhaul a D corps with, he's a fill in the hole type of guy with intangibles and should be valued accordingly.

Vegas first year in the league.

Yes the teams are better where they went . That is the whole point of the discussion. How can you call a player terrible when as soon as he leaves this team he looks better.
- VANTEL

Probably because they left one of the sh*ttiest teams for better ones.

Zaitsev played 81 games and had 3 G 14 pts was +2

Tanev played 55 games had 2 G 12 pts +3

I'll take the guy that can stay healthy
- VANTEL

lol wow


I think you already know what I’m gonna say so again I’ll just agree to disagree

In a few years the canucks will make players look better
- Bettmanhatesus

I think so too .

I am not sure how are D will look this year because the only one that I am certain that will be here beyond next year is Hughes. I have a feling that some that may start the year may not finish the year here

This is true... but every team in the league wants to upgrade the blue line.... so of course we are stuck with reclamation projects....we don't have the currency to pay the price in trade. Well atleast JB has so far resisted shipping out the young talent needed to make such a deal happen !
- Bullfrog77

The currency for RHD is high throughout the league. The NHL is weird in that so many lefties play the sport where as any other league is rightie dominant.