Probably because they left one of the sh*ttiest teams for better ones.
- Marwood

Vantel defies his own logic. He wants to trade a dman who put up similar numbers in less games on a way worse team for a dude who barely put up respectable numbers on a way better team


Hmm, I wonder what will happen to both of their numbers when they swap teams?

I guess we’ll blame Edler, Hughes and Stecher once Tanev badly outplays Zaitsev and say that they held back Zaitsev

Zaitsev played 81 games and had 3 G 14 pts was +2

Tanev played 55 games had 2 G 12 pts +3

I'll take the guy that can stay healthy
- VANTEL

Probably because they left one of the sh*ttiest teams for better ones.
- Marwood

Is that not what I am trying to get across ? Put them with better players?

Need extra bodies for long playoffs is correct.

Zaitsev might be an actual upgrade over current Biega and Schenn.

It comes down to the value that you can get the player before. If the value isn't going to hurt the club at all why not have three 4-6 right side defenders and choose from the best.
- manvanfan

My take is our left side is where our best talent is & finding RHD to compliment is JB’s angle. I don’t see another choice at this juncture & will stay open minded on the topic.

Vantel defies his own logic. He wants to trade a dman who put up similar numbers in less games on a way worse team for a dude who barely put up respectable numbers on a way better team


Hmm, I wonder what will happen to both of their numbers when they swap teams?

I guess we’ll blame Edler, Hughes and Stecher once Tanev badly outplays Zaitsev and say that they held back Zaitsev
- Nucker101

His near death experience has made him 'bolder'.

His issue is injuries though, when he plays he’s a top 4 dman. Zaitsev’s issue is not being a reliable defender on a good team.

I know which castoff I’d rather have
- Nucker101

Was Gardiner not his partner? If so it’s hard to have his back & not be a scape goat.

Is that not what I am trying to get across ? Put them with better players?
- VANTEL

A magic wand would help with that.

Vantel defies his own logic. He wants to trade a dman who put up similar numbers in less games on a way worse team for a dude who barely put up respectable numbers on a way better team


Hmm, I wonder what will happen to both of their numbers when they swap teams?

I guess we’ll blame Edler, Hughes and Stecher once Tanev badly outplays Zaitsev and say that they held back Zaitsev
- Nucker101

I am saying Zaitsev has more value because he can dress for games and actually play even if he plays poorly.

Tanev has a hotel suite in the press box . Who has more value a guy who can play or a guy who can't .

His near death experience has made him 'bolder'.
- Marwood

I think he wants change for the sake of change since he’s tired of seeing the team suck.

Tanev for Zaitsev is a step in the Oilers 2.0 direction

A magic wand would help with that.
- Marwood

That might work but I would probably switch the D first.

I think he wants change for the sake of change since he’s tired of seeing the team suck.

Tanev for Zaitsev is a step in the Oilers 2.0 direction
- Nucker101

Yup. Although it would guarantee a high draft pick and a new GM.

Benning needs one more draft and one more year of developing prospects and I think we will see what being patient has done for the team.
- manvanfan

Lots riding on getting top 6 wingers to make the big show & produce. RHD as in Woo have nobody in their way if they can step into the top 4. Still shows how we need more RHD with more than just potential.

I am saying Zaitsev has more value because he can dress for games and actually play even if he plays poorly.

Tanev has a hotel suite in the press box . Who has more value a guy who can play or a guy who can't .
- VANTEL

And what’s your top 4 look like after this trade?

You just traded 50 games of a top 4 dman for 0 games of a top 4 dman

Vantel defies his own logic. He wants to trade a dman who put up similar numbers in less games on a way worse team for a dude who barely put up respectable numbers on a way better team


Hmm, I wonder what will happen to both of their numbers when they swap teams?

I guess we’ll blame Edler, Hughes and Stecher once Tanev badly outplays Zaitsev and say that they held back Zaitsev
- Nucker101

Just needs a new whipping boy is all.

His issue is injuries though, when he plays he’s a top 4 dman. Zaitsev’s issue is not being a reliable defender on a good team.

I know which castoff I’d rather have
- Nucker101

I’d prefer Zatisev to Tanev personally. Assuming they had the same contract of course. Tanev is done and I think Zaitsev could improve if he was utilized more appropriately

Zaitsev played 81 games and had 3 G 14 pts was +2

Tanev played 55 games had 2 G 12 pts +3

I'll take the guy that can stay healthy
- VANTEL

If Zaitsev is coming here his contract will look better as each year passes if he can fit in. I don’t see him as a top pairing with Hughes but with say OJ on the 2nd pairing it could work out nice.

That might work but I would probably switch the D first.
- VANTEL

In another year or 2 some of the defense prospects should be getting serious minutes on the big club. I can wait until then instead of taking steps backwards trying to speed up the process.

I’d prefer Zatisev to Tanev personally. Assuming they had the same contract of course. Tanev is done and I think Zaitsev could improve if he was utilized more appropriately
- CanuckDon

utilized how exactly?

Tanev has played 155 of 246 games in the last 3 years 6 goals 33 points.

If Zaitsev is coming here his contract will look better as each year passes if he can fit in. I don’t see him as a top pairing with Hughes but with say OJ on the 2nd pairing it could work out nice.
- Nighthawk

I commend your optimism, good sir

The thought of that pairing makes me shudder

If Zaitsev is coming here his contract will look better as each year passes if he can fit in. I don’t see him as a top pairing with Hughes but with say OJ on the 2nd pairing it could work out nice.
- Nighthawk

I know this is a hockey forum, and some of the younger guys wouldnt care, but I just walked out of the ultrasound and my newest kid measures above the 50% percentile and at 5.5 lbs @ 33 weeks. I'm ecstatic!

Tanev has played 155 of 246 games in the last 3 years 6 goals 33 points.
- VANTEL

He’s an injury prone 2nd pairing defensive dman

I think we all understand that

And what’s your top 4 look like after this trade?

You just traded 50 games of a top 4 dman for 0 games of a top 4 dman
- Nucker101

It's cute you think Tanev is a top 4

Vantel defies his own logic. He wants to trade a dman who put up similar numbers in less games on a way worse team for a dude who barely put up respectable numbers on a way better team


Hmm, I wonder what will happen to both of their numbers when they swap teams?

I guess we’ll blame Edler, Hughes and Stecher once Tanev badly outplays Zaitsev and say that they held back Zaitsev
- Nucker101

Without knowing i’d guess Babcock had Zaitsev be more of a stay at home D man to let Gardiner roam & screw up so to have his back. That’s a poopty & most difficult spot to be put in & might show why his metrics suffered & also how bad the Leafs are on the right side. Give Z more freedom to play his game & not stymie him might raise some eye brows.