Wait, so when it’s questionable moves it’s “staff” and when it’s high end picks it’s Judd? Just want to be clear.
- neem55

i dont recall pointing the finger at one over the other. My point was what they do with later rounds picks vs what I would not like them to do. If Judd has anything to do with picking overagers with late picks that don't pan out, that doesn't exclude him for blame for it.

That clear enough for you?

Judd was here for plenty of dud drafts, I trust JB. Track record speaks for iteself. Whatever directions/instruction he’s given from on high, it’s working.
- neem55

Judd wasn't head of scouting/high up on the food chain making decisions. He was just giving his input at the time. Our drafting has gotten better since he took over. Saying he isn't largely responsible for it is like saying "We were losing money with our last CEO, but even though we are making money under our new CEO, it isn't thanks to him because he was a VP under the last CEO"
Benning changed our scouting department starting with hi being the head honcho. He is a lot to do with deciding who gets drafted and who doesn't. Much more so than he did before he was head of scouting.

Petey was very few teams BPA, it’s a pretty subjective term. Soemone has to define what you are looking for in a player and set out those values clearly. I’ll give you a hint who that someone is: not Judd.
- neem55

thanks for the hint

Philly is shopping Nolan Patrick and their 1st...Edler/Tanev and what would be the sweetener?
- LordHumungous

I wonder what the ask on him would be. He could definitely play RW for Bo

There's a time and a place for BPA...not sure if it's this draft. Drafting BPA has never really proven to be any more accurate than filling gaps in your club. Just a different vision. Is what it is.
- LordHumungous

i get where you are coming from, but I also think its a slippery slope. I understand drafting for positional need if you have a super high pick and you can be absolutely sure that player can step in the next year and make an impact at a position of need, otherwise, you are looking at developing and waiting anyway. I get where you are coming from though Lordy

Judd wasn't head of scouting/high up on the food chain making decisions. He was just giving his input at the time. Our drafting has gotten better since he took over. Saying he isn't largely responsible for it is like saying "We were losing money with our last CEO, but even though we are making money under our new CEO, it isn't thanks to him because he was a VP under the last CEO"
Benning changed our scouting department starting with hi being the head honcho. He is a lot to do with deciding who gets drafted and who doesn't. Much more so than he did before he was head of scouting.
- Retinalz

Still, it was JB who set the parameters and vision of who to draft. The scouting staffs job is to execute that vision.

It pisses me the (frank) off that all fails are JB's fault but none of the wins are his. Fans/media in this city are the biggest god damn dick mittens I've ever seen.

Now, having said that, JB needs to step up his game if they want to win a Cup. However, he gets a pass in my books for the work he's done thus far. I see a team on the upswing with some legitimate prospects in the system.

If he (frank)s up free agency tho, he deserves to get canned. Until, hes my boy....

Philly is shopping Nolan Patrick and their 1st...Edler/Tanev and what would be the sweetener?
- LordHumungous

I wouldn’t target Patrick...but that first! Yes please! Not sure what assets we have to facilitate that trade

Still, it was JB who set the parameters and vision of who to draft. The scouting staffs job is to execute that vision.

It pisses me the (frank) off that all fails are JB's fault but none of the wins are his. Fans/media in this city are the biggest god damn dick mittens I've ever seen.

Now, having said that, JB needs to step up his game if they want to win a Cup. However, he gets a pass in my books for the work he's done thus far. I see a team on the upswing with some legitimate prospects in the system.

If he (frank)s up free agency tho, he deserves to get canned. Until, hes my boy....
- chompsey

Richard mittens...I may use that some time

Richard mittens...I may use that some time
- CanuckDon

I'm working on bringing new insults to the table. I feel that its my real contribution to this forum....

I'm working on bringing new insults to the table. I feel that its my real contribution to this forum....
- chompsey

second to you and troy getting into it. we need a good fight between you two

second to you and troy getting into it. we need a good fight between you two
- Codes1087

Didn't you hear? We are having a love-fest.

thanks for the hint
- Codes1087

Sorry, i directed to much at you. This narrative that Judd is more responsibile than the giy who put him in that position to suceed and gave him his goals, mandate and outline is just absurd to me. Somehow JB is on the hook for pro scouting but amatuer scouting he has nothing to do with. What a crock of poop.

i get where you are coming from, but I also think its a slippery slope. I understand drafting for positional need if you have a super high pick and you can be absolutely sure that player can step in the next year and make an impact at a position of need, otherwise, you are looking at developing and waiting anyway. I get where you are coming from though Lordy
- Codes1087

For sure everyone is making good points and cases on the issue.

I just think since we won't be picking top 10 for awhile now we'll need to look at other options is all...

Sorry, i directed to much at you. This narrative that Judd is more responsibile than the giy who put him in that position to suceed and gave him his goals, mandate and outline is just absurd to me. Somehow JB is on the hook for pro scouting but amatuer scouting he has nothing to do with. What a crock of poop.
- neem55

i have no idea what you are even ranting about anymore. When did I mention pro scouting when I was talking, civilly and respectfully I might add, to Northy and Lordy. We discussed BPA's with late round picks, and different angles and opinions on how we would like to see these picks spent. Judd is the Direct of amateur scouting, so no, I won't give him poop when I make fun of the pro scouting staff and their awful record.

Didn't you hear? We are having a love-fest.
- chompsey

that's super strange, cause Troy was spreading all these awful rumors about you and how you are incredibly awful at life, and all that sort of rumor stuff. You should probably get on board with fighting with him again. I definitely heard all of that and its definitely true.

Now we’re arguing about the definition of best player available

Now we’re arguing about the definition of best player available
- 1970vintage

"it’s a pretty subjective term. Soemone has to define what you are looking for in a player and set out those values clearly."

we have now been told, its settled

i have no idea what you are even ranting about anymore. When did I mention pro scouting when I was talking, civilly and respectfully I might add, to Northy and Lordy. We discussed BPA's with late round picks, and different angles and opinions on how we would like to see these picks spent. Judd is the Direct of amateur scouting, so no, I won't give him poop when I make fun of the pro scouting staff and their awful record.
- Codes1087

The narrative that JB has nothing to do with scouting/drafting and it’s all Judd is not new. It is however complete bullpoop. If you don’t see how so much of what you’ve been talking about is connected to it than I don’t know what to tell you.

Now we’re arguing about the definition of best player available
- 1970vintage

I remember having the same conversation about this time last year

"it’s a pretty subjective term. Soemone has to define what you are looking for in a player and set out those values clearly."

we have now been told, its settled
- Codes1087

Any GM who isn’t taking who they deem to be the best player is a retard. I would have added some profanity, but that’s really Chompsey’s domain.

The narrative that JB has nothing to do with scouting/drafting and it’s all Judd is not new. It is however complete bullpoop. If you don’t see how so much of what you’ve been talking about is connected to it than I don’t know what to tell you.
- neem55

do you even read before you reply? "just want to be clear"

"it’s a pretty subjective term. Soemone has to define what you are looking for in a player and set out those values clearly."

we have now been told, its settled
- Codes1087

BPA is from a list. That list is comprised on values which set players above another. Those values, how you evaluate them come from JB. Just like every other GM of every team. Judd is responsible for taking the player type (based on values) and identifying players that best suit what JBis looking for. He brings them back to JB they all as a team make a list, but it’s Jims cal at the end of the day. The buck stops with him

Still, it was JB who set the parameters and vision of who to draft. The scouting staffs job is to execute that vision.

It pisses me the (frank) off that all fails are JB's fault but none of the wins are his. Fans/media in this city are the biggest god damn dick mittens I've ever seen.

Now, having said that, JB needs to step up his game if they want to win a Cup. However, he gets a pass in my books for the work he's done thus far. I see a team on the upswing with some legitimate prospects in the system.

If he (frank)s up free agency tho, he deserves to get canned. Until, hes my boy....
- chompsey

Glad I’m not the only one.

Glad I’m not the only one.
- neem55

I guess ASL, myself, and almost every other poster should amend our finishing statements on posts regarding scouting to:

In Judd we trust, and don't forget Benning too

I'm working on bringing new insults to the table. I feel that its my real contribution to this forum....
- chompsey

Save some gems for July 1st!