Do you think Kekalainen might be asking about the Hawks parting with a goalie prospect who had a pretty good tournament recently?
- breadbag

What tourney did Forsberg play in?

draft picks b/c they squandered theirs...
- wiz1901

AA for Murray after 7/1/2019. CBJ are losing at least 3 forwards to FA. They need bodies.

AA is familar with CBJ and Torts.

If the cost to get Murray is approximately our 2019 2nd rounder and Forsling that should be an easy take. Have to wonder if it is something bigger or Bowman has other offers on the table. I am hopeful to add at least 2 new bodies to the D core in addition to Jokiharju.

The rumors around Hayes and now Murray leave me to believe that #3 is still up in the air right now. Though if we were to add a 3C or potential top 4 D in addition to whomever we draft (Probably won’t see ice until next year). We are a better a team than last year. Just need Stan to be aggressive while saving cap for next year.

What tourney did Forsberg play in?
- boilermaker100

Lol..Well played!

AA for Murray after 7/1/2019. CBJ are losing at least 3 forwards to FA. They need bodies.

AA is familar with CBJ and Torts.
- Rota's Rooter

Probably takes a bit more to get Murray; AA is oft-injured as well.

AA+Forsling for Murray might do it.

Stan should call Yzerman and tell him that he is drafting Byram. He should then remind Yaz that his team's pipeline of skilled Defensemen is woefully inadequate, and there really is only one worthy defensemen in this year's draft.

Then he should make the following offer.

IE:

Kahun, Gustaffson,(Beaudin OR Mitchell) and a 2nd FOR Detroit's 6th overall pick.


Stan then drafts Byram at #3 and one of Turcotte, Cozens, or Zergas at #6.

If true, the interest in Murray is a pretty good indication that at least one of last year's blueline members is going out the door soon.

And I would certainly prefer to acquire Murray in trade than chase and overpay Jake Gardner in free agency.
- RickJ

The Murphy for Hammer trade was done more to have a "possible" cap controlled young NHLer, with the hopes he pans out to be more than a 3rd pair guys (since he WAS elevated though not terrific in Arizona) down the line.
This is going to continue to be the way NHL GMs manage their salaries and assets...hoping the second team/new surrounding invoke high levels of results.
I realize we all would like Murphy to be that all around bigger player that solves the eventually immersion of the smaller draftees, but maybe a big move includes is subtraction.

Unless murry wants out or Columbus has given up on him like arz gave up on strome and Perlini don't see this happening doesn't mwke a lot of sense on the Columbus side. Wait and see!
- Scott1977

Like I said before, maybe it is more that the BluJackets simply do want to go to those numbers when they have a strong big two who they KNOW will have to be paid long term, and maybe Murray wants out, after being billed and the big Columbus press interview after is arrival, he wants more opportunity, more $, etc. you are gonna know those things until he does get traded, or this is all a made up scenario.

I am not so sure everyone should be hung ho to trade the second and and defender for Murray and his back issues. This always comes down to the Cap hit and just how much production that player gives the team...if Columbus thinks he is not worth a larger re-up and it is related to his back, maybe you stay away...not offer the store in a really good second rounder THIS season.

Jeebus! What the heck are they thinking? 9 per year for a guy who is not an point per game and a career -96. Say what you will about the stat, but if you are at either of the extremes it is notable. His even rating this year is the second best to his rookie year +3. Not to mention he rode a career best 15% shooting percentage this year.
- Chunk

Skinner will be earning (well, receiving) this dough until age 35. There are a lot of crazy numbers being tossed around for a raft of this year's RFA's. No more bridge deals for expiring ELC's it seems. There will not be a lot of clubs left who not facing Cap problems after the RFA /UFA dust settles. GM's have to learn how to say "NO".

Note that the 2 Cup finalists do not have a single player earning the dough that Skinner will be next year.

Skinner will be earning (well, receiving) this dough until age 35. There are a lot of crazy numbers being tossed around for a raft of this year's RFA's. No more bridge deals for expiring ELC's it seems. There will not be a lot of clubs left who not facing Cap problems after the RFA /UFA dust settles. GM's have to learn how to say "NO".

Note that the 2 Cup finalists do not have a single player earning the dough that Skinner will be next year.
- 67hawks

I think Taresenko is north of that $ amount now.

I think Taresenko is north of that $ amount now.
- 35Tony0

Tarasenko is at 7.5M for 4 more years per CapFriendly.

Ryan Murray injury history:

2012 - shoulder injury required surgery
2013 - no info
2014 - knee injury
2015 - High ankle sprain
2016 - broken hand
2017 - back injury
2018 - kicked in the groin
2019 - back injury

2 back injuries ... umm no someone message the FO and tell them Tampa is in cap hell we can get better from them.
- gifman

I checked out Murray's playing history and it seems that there are some gaps in games played going back to major junior hockey as well. Bowman needs to stay away especially when the guy is not even signed.

Insane is right. I don't think Skinner has ever even played a playoff game. Guys like Mitch Marner and Rantonen are toasting the Sabres GM tonight.

Maybe those who squawk about Saad's $6M will quiet down now.
- RickJ

Long term but is it guaranteed? He has suffered some concussions. Which [signing] should mean an owner who wants buy outs in new collective bargaining contract. Although this signed under terms of present contract. Wonder how it works out if it came to be that was what Sabres want to do say in year seven.

Saad ($6.0) and his 50ish points looking better and better every day.

#costcontrol
- Ogilthorpe2

Saad will never put up the points like Skinner, his 40G 23A season was perfectly timed.

Skinner will be earning (well, receiving) this dough until age 35. There are a lot of crazy numbers being tossed around for a raft of this year's RFA's. No more bridge deals for expiring ELC's it seems. There will not be a lot of clubs left who not facing Cap problems after the RFA /UFA dust settles. GM's have to learn how to say "NO".

Note that the 2 Cup finalists do not have a single player earning the dough that Skinner will be next year.
- 67hawks

Regarding your last point, the Pens had Crosby and Malkin (and Letang) right at that number. Caps have Ovi. I think it’s just coincidence that this year’s participants do not.

Your broader point above is spot on.

AA for Murray after 7/1/2019. CBJ are losing at least 3 forwards to FA. They need bodies.

AA is familar with CBJ and Torts.
- Rota's Rooter

Not even one one for one. A draft choice too and still AA is not going to fetch much. AA can help a team but only younger players usually command much .as for draft choices. So you can say AA + 2nd 2019 (btw Columbhs may not be more than so so enthusiasm for Wenneberg).. I like Forsling more in AA place if i am Columbus GM. And i need to determine if i want Dubinsky back before i accept AA. There will be free agents July 1 so no hurry to acquire a veteran unless you are.very weak a particular position..Or if you are gunning for a dman......then the heat is on.

Probably takes a bit more to get Murray; AA is oft-injured as well.

AA+Forsling for Murray might do it.
- Bjm84

But they really want a draft choice..If they accepted AA too, then i exoect some crap player thrown to us and we have to cough up a 3rd. I bet Columbus tries for a #2 round. Might get it.

Tarasenko is at 7.5M for 4 more years per CapFriendly.
- 67hawks

Wow. Talk about a team-friendly deal!

Wow. Talk about a team-friendly deal!
- 35Tony0

Actually it was a smart move at the time for both him and the team. They locked him up for eight years in 2015 straight off his ELC.

Probably takes a bit more to get Murray; AA is oft-injured as well.

AA+Forsling for Murray might do it.
- Bjm84

I wouldn't offer more. It would be a wash if neither can stay healthy a full season.

Wow. Talk about a team-friendly deal!
- 35Tony0

It's only team friendly in the eyes of fans now because it's been 5 years since he signed it lol. It was one of the higher post-ELC signings at the time.

It's only team friendly in the eyes of fans now because it's been 5 years since he signed it lol. It was one of the higher post-ELC signings at the time.
- L_B_R

Spot on!

Long term but is it guaranteed? He has suffered some concussions. Which
- jhawk59[signing] should mean an owner who wants buy outs in new collective bargaining contract. Although this signed under terms of present contract. Wonder how it works out if it came to be that was what Sabres want to do say in year seven.

No new buyout provisions in the next CBA - the cap won’t decrease because of the next negotiations, like it did after the last one.

Just my opinion.

Like I said before, maybe it is more that the BluJackets simply do want to go to those numbers when they have a strong big two who they KNOW will have to be paid long term, and maybe Murray wants out, after being billed and the big Columbus press interview after is arrival, he wants more opportunity, more $, etc. you are gonna know those things until he does get traded, or this is all a made up scenario.

I am not so sure everyone should be hung ho to trade the second and and defender for Murray and his back issues. This always comes down to the Cap hit and just how much production that player gives the team...if Columbus thinks he is not worth a larger re-up and it is related to his back, maybe you stay away...not offer the store in a really good second rounder THIS season.
- wiz1901

Wiz what would be your trade proposal? For me i would pass on murry the more i think about it.

Skinner will be earning (well, receiving) this dough until age 35. There are a lot of crazy numbers being tossed around for a raft of this year's RFA's. No more bridge deals for expiring ELC's it seems. There will not be a lot of clubs left who not facing Cap problems after the RFA /UFA dust settles. GM's have to learn how to say "NO".

Note that the 2 Cup finalists do not have a single player earning the dough that Skinner will be next year.
- 67hawks

Your last sentence is kind of a moot point for a couple of reasons. First, as Chuck said, the last 3 winners all have players making around or more than Skinner.

But more importantly, the cap % of a $9m contract for the upcoming season is going to be around 10.8% which is just in line with Tarasenko's $7.5m contract at 10.3% when he signed. They're essentially being paid the same cap share at signing but their amounts are different because of the cap increasing.

And to note, the Bruins have two players that were signed to 10%+ cap shares when they signed (Bergeron, Krejci). Ovechkin was at 16.8% when he signed his contract.When Boston won in 2011, Chara's contract was at $7.5m, a whopping 17.1% of the cap at signing, which is one of the highest cap shares ever. 10-15% cap shares is pretty much the norm for elite players on teams (unless they haven't quite proven it yet).

Cap share or % at signing is more important for comparison of contracts for RFA/UFAs because it accounts for the rise in cap.