Ok...
so as a 32year old, Skinner’s production will drop off to the point we regret the 9mil
Thanks for explaining. Now i get what u meant

When does Hall drop off?
And what numbers does he need to keep up to maintain the 11-12mil Cap Hit that he’s gonna have?
- jdfitz77

He would need to continue to be a PPG player, or close enough to it up until 35. I think a player of his magnitude has a better shot of doing that then Skinner living up to $9M in his 30's. I also don't think comparing these two players is very fair.

If we were going to move ROR for assets it had to be done before his play started to decline. Its easy to look at his production this year and say that we could have gotten more for him if we did it this offseason but how do we know that ?

The goal, or at least the hope, is for Mitts to be the long term 2C. By moving ROR we should have been able to replenish the assets that Murray wasted in order to build a team around Eichel, Dahlin, Mitts, Sam. Im also of the belief that it would not have been possible to have ROR at $7.5M and Skinner at $9M going forward unless your preference was to move Reinhart or spend next to nothing on the backend and in goal.

Berglund was supposed to be a middle 6 role player, Sobotka was supposed to be a bottom 6 contributor. Those obviously flamed out. Tage still has time and hopefully we can package the Blues 2021 2nd rounder to get us something useful or hit on the pick itself. Moving ROR to me is still the right move if you think of the long-term vision of the team, its just a shame that the return in that trade amounted to hot garbage.
- Pegullaville

Huh???
You’ve said all this A LOT

My intention wasn’t for you to reiterate why we should’ve traded ROR
I get it

What i wanna know from you is how is having Kessel for 3years (and not winning a Cup) different from if we just kept ROR?

Or u don’t want Skinner bc he will be declining by the time we can compete for the Cup,
but u wanna bring in Kessel even though he won’t be enough?

He would need to continue to be a PPG player, or close enough to it up until 35. I think a player of his magnitude has a better shot of doing that then Skinner living up to $9M in his 30's. I also don't think comparing these two players is very fair.
- Pegullaville

So...

ROR drops off at 29
Skinner drops off at 31
But Hall stays at a ppg pace till 35

Seems random to me

I’m disappointed in the first being late.

Other than that it was fine.

This move was about clearing long term space and basically saying we want a guy in Skinner here long term more than we do ROR.

It was never about 2018-19. Which is why it won’t bother me if/when they win tomorrow

It wasn’t going to be us. Now if next year or beyond they did and we’re still spinning our wheels it’s another story
- sbroads24

That’s not true if we go & spend 6mil on Hayes
(or someone like him)

I’ll say this.

If we had the current ROR, how he has played for STL, I wouldn’t have wanted him gone.

We got about 60% of that.

Part of me thinks this year is an aberration

Part of me thinks he didn’t like Buffalo past year 1
- sbroads24

Please show me any stat in which we only got 60% of O'Reilly while he was here.

Please show me any stat in which we only got 60% of O'Reilly while he was here.
- Mentalorgasm5

Well, his face-offs were normally around 60%.

😉

St.Louis had no choice but to go for it. They have been in the thick of the race for years. My argument against St.Louis is that if they don't win it this year, it will be pretty darn hard for them to ever get back.

Buffalo's average age is what 25 ? We have a much longer window of opportunity.
- Pegullaville

A couple months ago you were telling this thread the Sabres have to lose and continue to draft be damned the playoffs. There’s no point in making the playoffs just to get slaughtered in the first round. You then went on to say that no one should want to end up like the St. Louis Blues. A perpetual mediocre team. That would be horrible! 😂😂😂😂

A couple months ago you were telling this thread the Sabres have to lose and continue to draft be damned the playoffs. There’s no point in making the playoffs just to get slaughtered in the first round. You then went on to say that no one should want to end up like the St. Louis Blues. A perpetual mediocre team. That would be horrible! 😂😂😂😂
- Cptmjl

The Blues have been the bridesmaid and never the bride. Take a look at their recent playoff success and see how many times they have made it to the WCF in their last 10 playoff trips. They broke through this year, all the power to them. All of their recent playoff failures become a memory if they win tonight.

So Duchene down to two teams.

So Duchene down to two teams.
- Powerslave

Source?

Source?
- washedup20

Friedman.

Nsh and Mtl

.............
- SABRES 89

Excessive amount of dots.
Bad Dot Management.

Dashes are quickly moving up the board, still early, but in time could be the new dot.

Excessive amount of dots.
Bad Dot Management.

Dashes are quickly moving up the board, still early, but in time could be the new dot.
- IonSabres

This is safer .......................

The Blues have been the bridesmaid and never the bride. Take a look at their recent playoff success and see how many times they have made it to the WCF in their last 10 playoff trips. They broke through this year, all the power to them. All of their recent playoff failures become a memory if they win tonight.
- Pegullaville

Point is that the keep losing till you build a contender schematic is not a sure proof plan for success. Making the playoffs is just as much an important part of it even if you bow out in the first round. Every, single team has the potential to “break through” if they have even some of the right pieces in place. It’s never a waste of time forget about the mental negativity that perpetual losing has on a team.

Friedman.

Nsh and Mtl
- Powerslave

He wants to go to Tootsies every night and wear his cowboy hat everywhere. My money is smashville.

This is safer .......................
- SABRES 89

Anything more then three ... is excessive and just uncalled for...

Huh???
You’ve said all this A LOT

My intention wasn’t for you to reiterate why we should’ve traded ROR
I get it

What i wanna know from you is how is having Kessel for 3years (and not winning a Cup) different from if we just kept ROR?

Or u don’t want Skinner bc he will be declining by the time we can compete for the Cup,
but u wanna bring in Kessel even though he won’t be enough?
- jdfitz77

Homie proposed a trade on here, for the value it would take to get Kessel it wouldn’t be a terrible idea. I’d rather us go for a younger top 6 option but if we acquire a guy who put up 70+ points for a depth d-man and pick 30/31 that would be good asset management without breaking the bank.

Skinner will start to decline at age 31 but he could still be an effective middle 6 winger for this club. My gripe on the Skinner deal is that he will be overpaid. Pominville was a regular the last two years on this club as well but sure as heck wasn’t worth $5.6M. That doesn’t mean that Pominville was completely useless.

Moving ROR was about asset management. Let’s say Homie is right with the Kessel trade prediction...

Out: ROR, McCabe, Guhle, 20 games of Evander Kane, Cliff Pu a 2nd, 5th, and 6th round pick

In: Skinner, Kessel, Montour, Berglund, Sobotka, Tage, 2nd in 2021.

Now if Berglund turned out to be the stop gap 2C and Sobotka turned out to be a good bottom 6 option we would have made out of this like bandits don’t you think ?

Anything more then three ... is excessive and just uncalled for...
- hehateme

.

Prediction: Sabres make a blockbuster trade at or around the draft including several players and more than 1 team!

Point is that the keep losing till you build a contender schematic is not a sure proof plan for success. Making the playoffs is just as much an important part of it even if you bow out in the first round. Every, single team has the potential to “break through” if they have even some of the right pieces in place. It’s never a waste of time forget about the mental negativity that perpetual losing has on a team.
- Cptmjl

This is a good post

Flaccoville has been proven wrong over and over on his ridiculous point of not making the playoffs, until we have a chance of winning it all.

He just wont back down or admit he was wrong.

Look at all the first round upsets and excitement :
Some reason flacco wants to pick early perpetually, instead of winning

So I was reeding some back pages and all I can say is WOW....

I saw someone write that we only got 60% of ROR when he was here? That's just bat poop crazy talk. I think you got all of ROR when he was here, the team around him was CRAP. Also ROR wanted out, Buffalo management traded him away. it is what it is... We all need to get over it and move on.

Also read where we are complaining that when Skinner is 33-35 we will regret that contract because his skills will be on the decline. um... of course they will but lets hope by then that Jbottts lands a solid #2 center and we are in the conversation as cup contender or better yet we all ready have won a cup. I will bet right now not one Sabres fan would give two $hit's about paying Skinner 9 Mil a year when he is 33-35 if we have a cup by that time. Sabres have to keep talent, not always walk away from it.

Prediction: Sabres make a blockbuster trade at or around the draft including several players and more than 1 team!
- soljor09

Nelson has been on the phones like crazy lately

Then dont resign him. He isnt worth it. Sign another 4th line center for a million.

We need to stop mismanaging our cap.
- Mentalorgasm5

yes, he absolutely is worth it for that money.

kessel for mccabe and pick 30/31 has legs
- homiedclown

Titties

How can Nashville afford Duchene?