They both suck... it's like making a decision between trading for a big smelly triple coiler (Lucic) vs a splash of diarrhea (Eriksson)
- Reveen.

I don't want an extra year. I wish this would just go away.
What I worry about more is what else JB is up to. Seems like it's only a matter of time before something happens....
Then there's Juy 1st. That's always a scary time.

I don't want an extra year. I wish this would just go away.
What I worry about more is what else JB is up to. Seems like it's only a matter of time before something happens....
Then there's Juy 1st. That's always a scary time.
- storm88

My understanding from what I've read... they see Lucic as being able to provide protection for EP while ditching a guy that doesnt want to be there.

The only reason the Oilers do this would be the one less year and he wouldn't need to be protected in the expansion draft.

Actually a fair amount of people says that Lucic contract was horrible as soon as he signed it....he certainly wasn’t the Bruins version of Lucic in LA either.....Chia gambled and lost....I really hope he isn’t a gambler with his own money
- RatedR80

Exactly, myself and many others recognized that contract as dog poop the day it was signed. You'd be a pretty big numpty if you thought Lucic has the type of game that ages well.

This is incorrect. Rule is that up to 50% of a contract's cap hit & salary can be retained. Not 50% of what a team owes.
- Antilles

Its still probably easier to trade away a 2.5 mil cap hit with a couple of middle round draft picks to a rebuilding team. Its flexibility. I think its a good idea.

Id pove to send a screen shot of things like this to lucic. Hes a douche so i would sort of enjoy seeing him read about people comparing him big coiling poops and diahrea.

Id pove to send a screen shot of things like this to lucic. Hes a douche so i would sort of enjoy seeing him read about people comparing him big coiling poops and diahrea.
- prock

I'd like to see you say this to him in person....

I'd like to see you say this to him in person....
- oilpatch

Why? A multi-millionaire isn't gonna risk an assault charge just because some random guy trashes him.

Why? A multi-millionaire isn't gonna risk an assault charge just because some random guy trashes him.
- MaximumBone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ESgRG_VRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ESgRG_VRw
- RonPielep

I feel like showing me a video where an audibly intoxicated and younger Lucic is yelling at/threatening a guy after getting punched by him doesn't map to the proposed situation of a random guy just trash-talking him. My point stands: why would 31 year old, multi-millionaire and father Milan Lucic risk anything by beating a guy up for just trash-talking him? He wouldn't.

So Bobby burgers gets a promotion and Keith Gretzky will GM the Condors

I feel like showing me a video where an audibly intoxicated and younger Lucic is yelling at/threatening a guy after getting punched by him doesn't map to the proposed situation of a random guy just trash-talking him. My point stands: why would 31 year old, multi-millionaire and father Milan Lucic risk anything by beating a guy up for just trash-talking him? He wouldn't.
- MaximumBone

Not to mention Lucic actually restrained himself after making a death threat.

I think it unlikely as well but cooler heads don't always prevail. Also, it is more amusing to imagine Lucic responding irrationally.

Not to mention Lucic actually restrained himself after making a death threat.

I think it unlikely as well but cooler heads don't always prevail. Also, it is more amusing to imagine Lucic responding irrationally.
- RonPielep

I actually am amused by the thought 9f him losing it from reading the posts. And getting angry at some unknown keyboard warriors.

But why would he hit me? I didnt call him a coiler or diahrea. Just forwarded the convo.

This may be crazy talk, but why trade for someone elses garbage, why not see what Tippet can get out of him. He got decent production out of a thought to be done whitney, and Vrbata. Maybe he gets himself some value and we find the next Chia, not be the next chia.

This may be crazy talk, but why trade for someone elses garbage, why not see what Tippet can get out of him. He got decent production out of a thought to be done whitney, and Vrbata. Maybe he gets himself some value and we find the next Chia, not be the next chia.
- herecomesGUMP

If that's our hope, then we're better off making the trade anyway.

Unlike Whitney and Vrbata, Lucic has lost all semblance of puck control abilities. The reason he's bad isn't because he's slow, it's that his hands (and likely his mind) can't keep up with the new pace of play. He's in a perpetual state of panic on the ice as evidenced by his constant rushing of passes, ill-timed chips, poor puck placement and so on. If we're looking for a candidate to succeed, we're better off finding someone who hasn't had those facets of their game completely disappear yet.

Enter Eriksson. While I'm not gonna sit here and sell him as another Whitney, he definitely looks like a better shot at such a thing. His hands and mind seem to be somewhat capable of keeping up with the transition side of hockey. This alone makes him a more likely candidate for such a resurgence. Then factor in his experience under Tippett and his ability to PK well (an ability of substance in this case) and you have an even better case forming for him.

Lastly, his contract is shorter and doesn't feature a NMC. Honestly, that fact by itself should be enough reason to pursue the deal.

If that's our hope, then we're better off making the trade anyway.

Unlike Whitney and Vrbata, Lucic has lost all semblance of puck control abilities. The reason he's bad isn't because he's slow, it's that his hands (and likely his mind) can't keep up with the new pace of play. He's in a perpetual state of panic on the ice as evidenced by his constant rushing of passes, ill-timed chips, poor puck placement and so on. If we're looking for a candidate to succeed, we're better off finding someone who hasn't had those facets of their game completely disappear yet.

Enter Eriksson. While I'm not gonna sit here and sell him as another Whitney, he definitely looks like a better shot at such a thing. His hands and mind seem to be somewhat capable of keeping up with the transition side of hockey. This alone makes him a more likely candidate for such a resurgence. Then factor in his experience under Tippett and his ability to PK well (an ability of substance in this case) and you have an even better case forming for him.

Lastly, his contract is shorter and doesn't feature a NMC. Honestly, that fact by itself should be enough reason to pursue the deal.
- MaximumBone

It’s a bad trade for Vancouver if it is a one for one type deal...unless Lucic can somewhat regain his goal scoring it’s just not good for Vancouver....so what would Lucic be? A 6 million dollar bodyguard for EP who MIGHT find his game.....Kassian is much cheaper and if he keeps up how second half play in the new season he will be pretty much what we wanted from Lucic to begin with

It’s a bad trade for Vancouver if it is a one for one type deal...unless Lucic can somewhat regain his goal scoring it’s just not good for Vancouver....so what would Lucic be? A 6 million dollar bodyguard for EP who MIGHT find his game.....Kassian is much cheaper and if he keeps up how second half play in the new season he will be pretty much what we wanted from Lucic to begin with
- RatedR80

I'm in no way concerned about a lack of toughness on the team after Lucic is gone. Nurse has shown to be able to throw with the heavyweights and just needs to learn to be that tough in protecting the slot. Larsson is chippy during play and doesn't carry it over in-between whistles. Even in the likely event he doesn't keep up his play from the end of the season, Kassian can fill the agitator role while also being capable of backing it up. Khaira has had some impressive fights of his own, too.

The Oilers aren't a team full of pushovers and they have tough players in some key positions. Even if Lucic WAS still classified as a "luxury", he's not one we can afford.

I'm in no way concerned about a lack of toughness on the team after Lucic is gone. Nurse has shown to be able to throw with the heavyweights and just needs to learn to be that tough in protecting the slot. Larsson is chippy during play and doesn't carry it over in-between whistles. Even in the likely event he doesn't keep up his play from the end of the season, Kassian can fill the agitator role while also being capable of backing it up. Khaira has had some impressive fights of his own, too.

The Oilers aren't a team full of pushovers and they have tough players in some key positions. Even if Lucic WAS still classified as a "luxury", he's not one we can afford.
- MaximumBone

To me it’s slightly worrying that with everything that this franchise needs to fix the big talk is surrounding a trade of two major disappointments.....I really hope we can make news in the off season for much better reasons then that

To me it’s slightly worrying that with everything that this franchise needs to fix the big talk is surrounding a trade of two major disappointments.....I really hope we can make news in the off season for much better reasons then that
- RatedR80

Yeah, the seeming lack of interest in a guy like Zucker is disturbing. An attainable top-6 winger is right there and yet there appears to be nothing in the way of interest coming out of the Oilers' camp. Maybe they've just gotten good at going silent or maybe they have another plan (Kapanen would be nice), but this organization hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt.

What do you think it would cost to swap picks with Detroit if Caulfield is still there? Buffalo taking him is def a possibility

What do you think it would cost to swap picks with Detroit if Caulfield is still there? Buffalo taking him is def a possibility
- sfrizz

Whatever the cost, I don't think it'd be worth it.

This may be crazy talk, but why trade for someone elses garbage, why not see what Tippet can get out of him. He got decent production out of a thought to be done whitney, and Vrbata. Maybe he gets himself some value and we find the next Chia, not be the next chia.
- herecomesGUMP

The only reason would be to get out from under his NMC and not screw us for the expansion draft.

What do you think it would cost to swap picks with Detroit if Caulfield is still there? Buffalo taking him is def a possibility
- sfrizz

We dont need Caulfield unless we're moving on from Yamamoto

We dont need Caulfield unless we're moving on from Yamamoto
- Reveen.

true, because teams only ever need one winger, right? Having more than one good one is just silly. Ergo, having more than one wing prospect is just ludicrous, because the success rate on prospects is 100%. And once you have two successes, you have to choose one and the second just vanishes.

true, because teams only ever need one winger, right? Having more than one good one is just silly. Ergo, having more than one wing prospect is just ludicrous, because the success rate on prospects is 100%. And once you have two successes, you have to choose one and the second just vanishes.
- prock

His suggestion is clearly a question of sacrificing size on two prospect wingers. While it's less of a hurdle these days, it still is a hurdle. It's not a question of Yamamoto and no one else or Caufield and no one else but rather a question of Yamamoto and Cozens, Boldy or whoever VS Yamamoto and Caufield.

I prefer the option that provides greater variety.

His suggestion is clearly a question of sacrificing size on two prospect wingers. While it's less of a hurdle these days, it still is a hurdle. It's not a question of Yamamoto and no one else or Caufield and no one else but rather a question of Yamamoto and Cozens, Boldy or whoever VS Yamamoto and Caufield.

I prefer the option that provides greater variety.
- MaximumBone

Yeah I thought that was self-explanatory but I guess not lol.