Okay. So Wilson didn't have much to say about him. And that makes him a terrible, uncoachable player?

Ghost's value is that he will push the play and take chances. He's a dynamic player. If you want him to change him game, become a player who doesn't take chances and becomes primarily a defensive player, what value does he bring to the team? I, personally, am glad that he's not going to change how he plays. He can't if he wants to be effective and help the team win.
- jmatchett383

Where did I say he was terrible and uncoachable. I think Ghost likes to do things his way. He said he needs his offense to build confidence and focusing on defense, which was a team mandate wasn't as important as him getting his confidence back.

Where did I say he was terrible and uncoachable. I think Ghost likes to do things his way. He said he needs his offense to build confidence and focusing on defense, which was a team mandate wasn't as important as him getting his confidence back.
- youarewrong

You know what, I'm sorry I brought this up. I'm not doing this today.

If you think that trading Ghost makes them a better team, then fire away. I personally think that the team is currently better with him that without him.

Okay. So Wilson didn't have much to say about him. And that makes him a terrible, uncoachable player?

Ghost's value is that he will push the play and take chances. He's a dynamic player. If you want him to change him game, become a player who doesn't take chances and becomes primarily a defensive player, what value does he bring to the team? I, personally, am glad that he's not going to change how he plays. He can't if he wants to be effective and help the team win.
- jmatchett383

So what players are allowed to not change how they play in a system and which players have to change how they play? If you can't see how having exceptions or guys that don't buy into a system can undermine the system itself then I can't explain it to you. There has to be a point where EVERYONE buys in. That's how teams like Columbus beat the talented teams like the Lightning.

I think Wilson knew that Ghost was a player who needed things to go his way on the ice for him to believe in his game...regardless of the coaching, Ghost had a difficult time last year getting the noise out of his head and just playing hockey...the problem is that there are not many coaches that know how to coach an offensive minded defensemen...Ghost is a rare breed...for a pure defenseman you can have them simplify their game and get back to the basics on positioning, stick handling etc. For Ghost, it is literally like you are coaching a forward...keep shooting and the goals will come...Ghost was saying that in his comment (which people are taking out of context)...he feels good when he is creative and helping the offense go...if he isn't he gets himself in a funk as he is not a pure defender...and honestly that is not why he is in the league, nor was it why he was drafted by the Flyers...they look to his offense

You know what, I'm sorry I brought this up. I'm not doing this today.

If you think that trading Ghost makes them a better team, then fire away. I personally think that the team is currently better with him that without him.
- jmatchett383

Thats cool. I was saying if they dont make the playoffs next year trade him, but I'm not against trading him this year either. We will just agree to disagree. Though i do think we both agree Ghost is a good player.

You know what, I'm sorry I brought this up. I'm not doing this today.

If you think that trading Ghost makes them a better team, then fire away. I personally think that the team is currently better with him that without him.
- jmatchett383

go back to the pens board then

the flyers have been irrelevant for close to a decade now and peeps all worried about an expansion draft. They may lose a huge cornerstone who has been vital to this teams success the last few years oh my.

I love Josh Anderson's game. Even Boone Jenner. We absolutely could use some of that.

the flyers have been irrelevant for close to a decade now and peeps all worried about an expansion draft. They may lose a huge cornerstone who has been vital to this teams success the last few years oh my.
- daryl stanley

I'm more worried about them losing someone vital to their future.

Thats cool. I was saying if they dont make the playoffs next year trade him, but I'm not against trading him this year either. We will just agree to disagree. Though i do think we both agree Ghost is a good player.
- youarewrong

My main point about trading him is that you can't just (to me) say, "They missed the playoffs, so trade Ghost." That's a very black and white statement without taking anything else in to context. If he has a bounce-back year and improves his game back to 17/18 levels, but the team collectively fails to make the playoffs, I don't think he HAS to be the one to go.

Anyone else have that annoying girl in high school who would constantly try to talk to you, and even if you showed no interest at all, she kept on trying?

Thats cool. I was saying if they dont make the playoffs next year trade him, but I'm not against trading him this year either. We will just agree to disagree. Though i do think we both agree Ghost is a good player.
- youarewrong

I think there is a lot more parts that get traded if they don't make the playoffs...I think Jake is at the front of that list, and by a wide margin. And for certain I think that Jake a great player and the team would be worse without him...but if you are blowing up the core, you start with him unfortunately.

I'm more worried about them losing someone vital to their future.
- youarewrong

who the gonna lose that is vital? anyone they lose is probably very replaceable. Not gonna be a big deal. Anyone "vital" that they may lose will likely be traded before than for at least some asset.

Anyone else have that annoying girl in high school who would constantly try to talk to you, and even if you showed no interest at all, she kept on trying?
- jmatchett383

other way around you clearly mean. You would constantly talk to the girl and she would laugh at you.

I think there is a lot more parts that get traded if they don't make the playoffs...I think Jake is at the front of that list, and by a wide margin. And for certain I think that Jake a great player and the team would be worse without him...but if you are blowing up the core, you start with him unfortunately.
- JW98FlyerFan

I would target Jake only because of his cap hit and length. Jake's been here for 8 years now and has shown flashes of greatness and flashes of...well, the opposite of greatness. When he's on his game, he's one of the best puck protectors and play makers in the league, and usually couples that with a bit of a physical edge. When he's off, he's forcing passes and being a complete passenger. Aside from 12/13 and 17/18, he's been wildly inconsistent from week to week.

Again, if he finishes top-15 in scoring but the team misses the playoffs, I don't think it's imperative to trade him, but as it stands now, he's probably at the top of my list.

This town has never had the patience for the longer development process of defensemen and goaltenders.

Ghost will be traded probably, and his career will probably be better off for it.

Can't wait until the shine is off Carter Hart, too.

This town has never had the patience for the longer development process of defensemen and goaltenders.

Ghost will be traded probably, and his career will probably be better off for it.

Can't wait until the shine is off Carter Hart, too.
- Tomahawk

If we trade Ghost, there will be daily complaints of, "Well, he never played like that when he was here."

This town has never had the patience for the longer development process of defensemen and goaltenders.

Ghost will be traded probably, and his career will probably be better off for it.

Can't wait until the shine is off Carter Hart, too.
- Tomahawk

I don't think anyone when they say move Gostisbehere is insinuating he doesn't have talent. Like for me, I think Myers, Sanheim and Provorov all have a higher upside and I would like a Trouba. You have to give to get. So I would rather give a Gostisbehere over those other 3 to acquire a guy i feel is a top pairing all situations defender.

For me, just my view, sometimes I feel people talk about Gostisbehere and don't actually talk about him defending. He does need to be better. I am not saying he needs to be a physical beast, but he does need to at least play a competent defense game to go along with producing points.

This town has never had the patience for the longer development process of defensemen and goaltenders.

Ghost will be traded probably, and his career will probably be better off for it.

Can't wait until the shine is off Carter Hart, too.
- Tomahawk

Excluding bob what goalies or dman that they didn’t show patience for go on to do Anything of substance? Off the top of my head I don’t have anyone.

Unless they trade ghost for a sack of potatoes, which I don’t think they will, let’s see how of shakes out.

I don't think anyone when they say move Gostisbehere is insinuating he doesn't have talent. Like for me, I think Myers, Sanheim and Provorov all have a higher upside and I would like a Trouba. You have to give to get. So I would rather give a Gostisbehere over those other 3 to acquire a guy i feel is a top pairing all situations defender.

For me, just my view, sometimes I feel people talk about Gostisbehere and don't actually talk about him defending. He does need to be better. I am not saying he needs to be a physical beast, but he does need to at least play a competent defense game to go along with producing points.
- J35Bacher

In 17/18, Ghost was actually playing well defensively. He was making good reads, being aggressive (and successful) at the blueline, and was playing with more of a physical edge than ever before. Last season, it was like a completely different player. He was making terrible reads on both ends, he was blowing coverage constantly, and his offensive game poop the bed.

I don't know if he was injured, or it was between the ears, or what, but something happened between 17/18 and this past season that just totally took away what made him special. Hopefully, whatever it was, he can get back to the way he was. Like you said, he doesn't need to be Adam Foote or Chris Pronger out there, he just needs to be adequate, and he's shown in the past that he can be.

People only view Ghost through the lens of last year, and the inability to look at the whole picture allows for a vast underestimation of his value as a defenseman.

As to the "trade everyone" narrative; do we really have evidence that Fletcher is keen to make big moves for the sake of changing or for shaking up positional structure? My observation of him is that he has been consistent in praising the players largely viewed as impactful and directly pointing out that we need more of an infusion of talent to have more depth. It doesn't appear that he will blow things up by any stretch.

Cheers.

I would target Jake only because of his cap hit and length. Jake's been here for 8 years now and has shown flashes of greatness and flashes of...well, the opposite of greatness. When he's on his game, he's one of the best puck protectors and play makers in the league, and usually couples that with a bit of a physical edge. When he's off, he's forcing passes and being a complete passenger. Aside from 12/13 and 17/18, he's been wildly inconsistent from week to week.

Again, if he finishes top-15 in scoring but the team misses the playoffs, I don't think it's imperative to trade him, but as it stands now, he's probably at the top of my list.
- jmatchett383

Exactly why I think he is at the top of the list if this all goes sideways...You can keep Ghost because his term and cap hit are insignificant.

In 17/18, Ghost was actually playing well defensively. He was making good reads, being aggressive (and successful) at the blueline, and was playing with more of a physical edge than ever before. Last season, it was like a completely different player. He was making terrible reads on both ends, he was blowing coverage constantly, and his offensive game poop the bed.

I don't know if he was injured, or it was between the ears, or what, but something happened between 17/18 and this past season that just totally took away what made him special. Hopefully, whatever it was, he can get back to the way he was. Like you said, he doesn't need to be Adam Foote or Chris Pronger out there, he just needs to be adequate, and he's shown in the past that he can be.
- jmatchett383

And he will really need to be good in his own zone next year with a young goaltender behind them.

And he will really need to be good in his own zone next year with a young goaltender behind them.
- J35Bacher

Same could be said last year with 2 aging cripples behind him. It's not like Provorov had a stellar year on either side of the puck either. I think that if the 2 of them played even close to what they did the year before, along with league average goaltending, they're a top-3 Metro team.

People only view Ghost through the lens of last year, and the inability to look at the whole picture allows for a vast underestimation of his value as a defenseman.

As to the "trade everyone" narrative; do we really have evidence that Fletcher is keen to make big moves for the sake of changing or for shaking up positional structure? My observation of him is that he has been consistent in praising the players largely viewed as impactful and directly pointing out that we need more of an infusion of talent to have more depth. It doesn't appear that he will blow things up by any stretch.

Cheers.
- AltScoob

The whole picture shows he is been consistently inconsistent