Excluding bob what goalies or dman that they didn’t show patience for go on to do Anything of substance? Off the top of my head I don’t have anyone.
- daryl stanley

Pitkanen, Yushkevich and Niinimaa all went on to be top-pairing guys on other teams.

Seidenberg was top-4 and won a Cup.

And yeah, Bob.

The whole picture shows he is been consistently inconsistent
- daryl stanley

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Pitkanen, Yushkevich and Niinimaa all went on to be top-pairing guys on other teams.

Seidenberg was top-4 and won a Cup.

And yeah, Bob.
- Tomahawk

I think, excluding current players, Therien may have been the best home-grown defenseman who played the majority of his career here during my lifetime.

If they miss the playoffs this year players will definately need to be held accountable. I would insist on a Voracek and Ghost trade. Possibly Giroux.


- youarewrong

What if Gostisbehere has a really strong season and the Flyers miss the playoffs? Would you still insist on him being traded? Doesn't seem well thought out.

I think, excluding current players, Therien may have been the best home-grown defenseman who played the majority of his career here during my lifetime.
- jmatchett383

I'd probably put up Coburn as the exception to the rule. He wasn't drafted by the Flyers, but they really stuck by him thru the early ups and downs.

If all of those things happen and they still miss the playoffs... then something is VERY wrong. If its a matter of G V and a few others miss a ton of time... then maybe they get a pass. But if its the same streaky play, 10 games on fire, 10 game of terrible play then something has to change. Even if Ghost becomes the best player in the world, if his "I'm just going to do things my way" attitude is leading the rest of the team down the wrong path, then yea I'm trading him and cashing in while the value is high.
- youarewrong

I think your making way too much of Gostisbehere's comments. If his "attitude" leads to him having a very strong season. Why still trade him? Again, not well thought out.

Pitkanen, Yushkevich and Niinimaa all went on to be top-pairing guys on other teams.

Seidenberg was top-4 and won a Cup.

And yeah, Bob.
- Tomahawk

None of those where any great shakes. Solid sure nothing to lose sleep over. Plus look at what they were traded for so not like given away

Seidemberg bounced around for a while before settling in.

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- AltScoob

Balls

I'd probably put up Coburn as the exception to the rule. He wasn't drafted by the Flyers, but they really stuck by him thru the early ups and downs.
- Tomahawk

That's a good pick as well. He had so much promise until he had his eye injury. He was never BAD after that, but he wasn't a top-3 D like they'd hoped, either.

That's a good pick as well. He had so much promise until he had his eye injury. He was never BAD after that, but he wasn't a top-3 D like they'd hoped, either.
- jmatchett383

They got a bunch of productive years from Coburn for an end-of-career Alexei Zhitnik. I’d take that any day.

They got a bunch of productive years from Coburn for an end-of-career Alexei Zhitnik. I’d take that any day.
- Sublime55

We also got a productive Konecny (and Gudas) from Coburn. Bonus points

They got a bunch of productive years from Coburn for an end-of-career Alexei Zhitnik. I’d take that any day.
- Sublime55

I agree, and he was a key part of that 09/10 run. Some fans couldn't get over the fact that he wasn't a bigger Kimmo Timonen. But as a complimentary part of a second pair, he was very effective.

None of those where any great shakes. Solid sure nothing to lose sleep over. Plus look at what they were traded for so not like given away

Seidemberg bounced around for a while before settling in.
- daryl stanley

So they didn't matter because they weren't Chris Pronger (aka Jacob Trouba, lol)?

If your team already has trouble identifying, drafting and developing any sort of defenders or goalies, pulling the plug on the few you did manage to find would seem counter-productive.

Teams that need turn to UFA to fill the net and blueline have a hard time competing under a hard cap. The cost to acquire young D and G is exorbitant on the trade front. Every so often somebody will give you a Rask for free, but it's not something you can count on.

I agree, and he was a key part of that 09/10 run. Some fans couldn't get over the fact that he wasn't a bigger Kimmo Timonen. But as a complimentary part of a second pair, he was very effective.
- jmatchett383

Damn I miss Kimmo...

I think your making way too much of Gostisbehere's comments. If his "attitude" leads to him having a very strong season. Why still trade him? Again, not well thought out.
- MJL

you're

People only view Ghost through the lens of last year, and the inability to look at the whole picture allows for a vast underestimation of his value as a defenseman.

As to the "trade everyone" narrative; do we really have evidence that Fletcher is keen to make big moves for the sake of changing or for shaking up positional structure? My observation of him is that he has been consistent in praising the players largely viewed as impactful and directly pointing out that we need more of an infusion of talent to have more depth. It doesn't appear that he will blow things up by any stretch.

Cheers.
- AltScoob

Just to put this out there I only said IF they dont make the playoffs next year and its not for the reason that half the team was missing due to injury or whatever.

There is legit concern that there are core members of this team that have been part of very inconsistent play, whether it being playing for a full 60 minutes or for 10 game stretches. I'm willing to go into another season and see what really experienced coaching staff can do with them. But if they miss the playoffs again, you really have to consider moving some of those core players.

We also got a productive Konecny (and Gudas) from Coburn. Bonus points
- arichardson22

Following that trail, Zhitnik originally came over for Freddy Meyer and a 3rd. So Freddy Meyer for Konecny and Gudas!

Following that trail, Zhitnik originally came over for Freddy Meyer and a 3rd. So Freddy Meyer for Konecny and Gudas!
- Sublime55

Excuse me, do you mean Frederick Meyer IV?

Just to put this out there I only said IF they dont make the playoffs next year and its not for the reason that half the team was missing due to injury or whatever.

There is legit concern that there are core members of this team that have been part of very inconsistent play, whether it being playing for a full 60 minutes or for 10 game stretches. I'm willing to go into another season and see what really experienced coaching staff can do with them. But if they miss the playoffs again, you really have to consider moving some of those core players.
- youarewrong

Didn't they already do that when they traded Simmonds?

Damn I miss Kimmo...
- FlyersGrace

Kimmo Timonen was one of the most underrated players in the league when he was in Nashville. I was ecstatic when I heard the Flyers got him. Fantastic defenseman.

Excuse me, do you mean Frederick Meyer IV?
- jmatchett383

Sorry, yes Frederick Meyer the Fourth ...where are my manners.

Didn't they already do that when they traded Simmonds?
- jmatchett383

Yup. A bit too late, but yes. Unfortunately I don't think he was part of the core that plays inconsistent. Simmonds was streaky with his scoring, but he was almost always balls to the walls. And one of the few that would put players on blast. Except the golden ones.

So they didn't matter because they weren't Chris Pronger (aka Jacob Trouba, lol)?

If your team already has trouble identifying, drafting and developing any sort of defenders or goalies, pulling the plug on the few you did manage to find would seem counter-productive.

Teams that need turn to UFA to fill the net and blueline have a hard time competing under a hard cap. The cost to acquire young D and G is exorbitant on the trade front. Every so often somebody will give you a Rask for free, but it's not something you can count on.
- Tomahawk

not what i am saying at all. You said they don't have any patience to develop these guys. I dont agree in in those 3 cases. None went on to have a career where your like damn we really messed up trading that guy

all were hockey trades at the time. They didnt give up on them or move them for peanuts. If they did then yes I would say no patience. It wasn't counter productive when you look at where the flyers where at the time of those trades. got good returns on them imo.

Yup. A bit too late, but yes. Unfortunately I don't think he was part of the core that plays inconsistent. Simmonds was streaky with his scoring, but he was almost always balls to the walls. And one of the few that would put players on blast. Except the golden ones.
- youarewrong

Simmonds WAS always balls to the walls except for his last 2 seasons here. Right now, he's gonna have a really hard time finding a decent deal as a UFA. He scored as many points in Nashville last year as Zac Rinaldo did.

Yup. A bit too late, but yes. Unfortunately I don't think he was part of the core that plays inconsistent. Simmonds was streaky with his scoring, but he was almost always balls to the walls. And one of the few that would put players on blast. Except the golden ones.
- youarewrong

You and Daryl are on a roll today, keep it up