Not saying trade them now, all depends on what is there at 11 and they make a pick.

well it does make sense since they are listening to offers for the 11th. If they get someone they want at 11 they may look to move one of the other 2. Not saying it will happen or advocating it.
- daryl stanley

You won't know who is at 11 up until the selection, they would need to feel confident they would get their guy a few picks prior and then there would also be a time constraint to get something done. They are listening to offers for a young roster player in exchange for 11. Why would they trade frost/farabee instead of 11? those two are closer to making the team than the 11th pick will be. Doesn't make much sense to me.

I think in Frost and Farabee you know what your getting more so then someone you would take at 11 right now, and they are 2 years closer to being on the team. Frost and Farabee's value is higher IMO then the 11th alone because there is less of a guess and they are close to NHL ready. So but trading them instead of the 11th just pushes the Flyers return on investment further down the line with and adds a bigger chance of a "bust". Frost and Farabee could be "busts" but I think we know there is more of a chance of them being NHL players then anyone outside the top 2. I still think Hughes could be a bust also... He's either going to be a homerun or bust IMO. I would take Kakko at 1st and be happy I know I'm getting an All-Star NHL player instead of a shot at a super star.
- youarewrong

all good points. Just looking it at from their point of view is all if they are really that dead set on moving the 11th

Maybe it doesn't push the return on investment down as maybe that player is ready in a year; dont know just saying its possible

you cant keep waiting for tomorrow or all these kids in the pipeline as that day may never come.

also keep in mind the business end. The flyers attendance is down, sales are down for season tickets, they just raised the prices, moved some people around to new seats that were not happy. They need to do something to get them for lack a of a better relevant again. They are the turd in the bowl when compared to the sixers, phils, eagles right now. They need playoff money to make money. Its just not as simple as being "patient" any more. They need to make moves; right or wrong.

According to many the flyers have a great team just needed coaching and goal-tending. So with a few smart moves there is no reason why they cant contend much sooner than later no?
- daryl stanley

I was only speaking to OP's comparison of Coots and Hayes.

Not looking to rehash the now or later debate that's been going on for months on here.

You won't know who is at 11 up until the selection, they would need to feel confident they would get their guy a few picks prior and then there would also be a time constraint to get something done. They are listening to offers for a young roster player in exchange for 11. Why would they trade frost/farabee instead of 11? those two are closer to making the team than the 11th pick will be. Doesn't make much sense to me.
- ClaudeFather

let me makes this clear. If again if they get the guy they want at 11 only. If that happens then maybe they look to move one of the others.

Those offers would still be there imo if they make one of those 2 available after they make there pick at 11. You may even get more back than you would from just the 11th.

As to why they would trade one of those 2, well neither were picked by the GM so he has no attachment. The guy they get at 11 they feel will be a better nhl player than one of those 2. Maybe they are not as high on those 2. You need to look at it from there end.

I was only speaking to OP's comparison of Coots and Hayes.

Not looking to rehash the now or later debate that's been going on for months on here.
- Tomahawk

Free agents always cash in; its clear who the better player is of the 2.

if he gets a 6 year deal ( i personally think it will be 7 no matter who he signs with) you hope 4 of those years are very productive. if not your hosed

let me makes this clear. If again if they get the guy they want at 11 only. If that happens then maybe they look to move one of the others.

Those offers would still be there imo if they make one of those 2 available after they make there pick at 11. You may even get more back than you would from just the 11th.

As to why they would trade one of those 2, well neither were picked by the GM so he has no attachment. The guy they get at 11 they feel will be a better nhl player than one of those 2. Maybe they are not as high on those 2. You need to look at it from there end.
- daryl stanley

I'd have to imagine they are pretty high on both of them, you are just assuming they aren't.

There’s only 3 “stars” arguably hitting the open market (if they hit the open market) and that’s Panarin, EK, Duchene. They’re all more expensive and Flyers maybe got the early inside scoop they don’t wanna sign here. Hayes is that next tier and is the 2nd best center in the free agency class. It’s better than nothing, see last year when we didn’t add a strong center.
- arichardson22

Bob is a star.

In regards to podkolzin I liked him so much I was calling him 3rd best player in the draft at one point. He had a bad year and a bad worlds. The reason ? Not sure. He has all the tools to be a stud. But a lot of these kids do. I call him a risk at this point but I absolutely am in love with the upside.

it didn't really cost the Flyers anything to have this opportunity. The Flyers are openly shopping the 11th over all pick because they already have a boat load of prospects that they don't have room for. So a 5th round pick doesn't register. I like the aggressiveness but if your in Haye's shoes why not wait a couple of weeks and see if you can maximize your contract and hand pick your destination...It still might end up being Philly even after July 1rst.
- landros 2

I never said anything about the 11th round pick. The Flyers have plenty of assets to deal, should they want to make a splash. I do see Ghost as a really good player and an asset but I’m also not as attached to him as others are.

With that said, Kevin Hayes to me isn’t a player you go out of your way to get ahead of the line before everyone else just to talk to.

you cant keep waiting for tomorrow or all these kids in the pipeline as that day may never come.

also keep in mind the business end. The flyers attendance is down, sales are down for season tickets, they just raised the prices, moved some people around to new seats that were not happy. They need to do something to get them for lack a of a better relevant again. They are the turd in the bowl when compared to the sixers, phils, eagles right now. They need playoff money to make money. Its just not as simple as being "patient" any more. They need to make moves; right or wrong.

According to many the flyers have a great team just needed coaching and goal-tending. So with a few smart moves there is no reason why they cant contend much sooner than later no?
- daryl stanley

We had a worse roster two seasons ago when we lost game 6 against the Pens in round 1. On paper last year we were better with adding JVR; we underachieved. Fast forward, now we have the additions of a full season of Hart, Myers and Morin. A simple fix to goaltending , the powerplay, and penalty kill will make us a playoff team imo. Adding Hayes makes us stronger and deeper. And we’ll have experienced coaching now. Should be a much better season.

Pre-production Sean Couturier wasn't making $6-7M on a contract signed thru age 33-34, tho, that's the difference.

Nobody is saying Kevin Hayes isn't a good player or fills a semi-need now. It's about tomorrow, with all these kids in the pipeline, and bridge deals becoming less and less common... do you really want a Kevin Hayes limiting your options when he hits that power forward wall?
- Tomahawk

I do view Hayes as a player that blocks Patrick or Frost developing at center at the nhl.

Bob is a star.
- SuperSchennBros

Way to nitpick lol. Hence why I said arguably after 3 stars.

In regards to podkolzin I liked him so much I was calling him 3rd best player in the draft at one point. He had a bad year and a bad worlds. The reason ? Not sure. He has all the tools to be a stud. But a lot of these kids do. I call him a risk at this point but I absolutely am in love with the upside.
- Tfaehner

You have to read about his struggles. He was moved around a lot on stacked teams but when he played against peers he would dominate.

If there at 11 I would take a chance on him.

Way to nitpick lol. Hence why I said arguably after 3 stars.
- arichardson22

It’s not nitpicking. Bob is a two time Vezina winner. It’s not even questionable.

Whether or not Bob is a star isn’t an arguable statement.

I do view Hayes as a player that blocks Patrick or Frost developing at center at the nhl.
- SuperSchennBros

I don't think he blocks Patrick at all. Maybe Frost a bit, if they view him as a center. Need more than two good lines now and they look pretty good down the middle on paper if they can add Hayes.

I'm still not a fan of possibly paying him 7 million a year.

I don't think he blocks Patrick at all. Maybe Frost a bit, if they view him as a center. Need more than two good lines now and they look pretty good down the middle on paper if they can add Hayes.

I'm still not a fan of possibly paying him 7 million a year.
- Ftown19125

The signing of Hayes should maybe block any young player’s development. Frost or otherwise. This is what the Flyers have been building towards.

I never said anything about the 11th round pick. The Flyers have plenty of assets to deal, should they want to make a splash. I do see Ghost as a really good player and an asset but I’m also not as attached to him as others are.

With that said, Kevin Hayes to me isn’t a player you go out of your way to get ahead of the line before everyone else just to talk to.
- SuperSchennBros

I would hope if we are trading Ghost its going to be for a top quality player. Maybe Doughty for Ghost and the 11th. IMO Trouba for Ghost is a swap deal since ghost is signed to a friendly contract and Trouba needs resigned. Could ghost be moved in a deal for Subban or Ellis? Nashville is another team that will lose a major defenseman at the expansion draft.

IMO if the 11th is in play its going to be in a package with a player we are trying to move for a star player. However, Fletcher did say he was very high on late firsts and 2nds and 3rd so maybe he is looking for those. Rangers have a late 1st and 2 2nd rounders.... Could they use that to move up? Who knows.

It’s not nitpicking. Bob is a two time Vezina winner. It’s not even questionable.
- SuperSchennBros

You disregarded everything else in the post which was originally about Hayes and focused on stars; that’s nitpicking bud. Again, I said arguably meaning there may be a few others. Bob wouldn’t be on our radar regardless compared to the others mentioned.

I do view Hayes as a player that blocks Patrick or Frost developing at center at the nhl.
- SuperSchennBros

Worry about that when it comes to it. Right now he's a better center than Patrick and Frost hasn't played a lick of pro hockey(and might become a winger for all we know)

I saw someone mention Hayes has played some RW as well. Can't confirm that myself though. They'll have options. It all comes down to the cap hit and NMC for me.

Pre-production Sean Couturier wasn't making $6-7M on a contract signed thru age 33-34, tho, that's the difference.

Nobody is saying Kevin Hayes isn't a good player or fills a semi-need now. It's about tomorrow, with all these kids in the pipeline, and bridge deals becoming less and less common... do you really want a Kevin Hayes limiting your options when he hits that power forward wall?
- Tomahawk

If they're going to sign him, I'd prefer to give Hayes 5 x $7m than 6 x $6m.

And he cannot get an NMC, not with Philly possibly needing to go 4-4 in the ED.

The signing of Hayes should maybe block any young player’s development. Frost or otherwise. This is what the Flyers have been building towards.
- SuperSchennBros

Frost can begin on wing or Hayes can be moved to wing. It is not like they are stuck keeping either of anyone in any position. Why are we worried what MIGHT happen 3 years down the road?

If they're going to sign him, I'd prefer to give Hayes 5 x $7m than 6 x $6m.

And he cannot get an NMC, not with Philly possibly needing to go 4-4 in the ED.
- Feanor

Check out the comments on yesterdays blog. There is no way they can go 4-4 at the expansion draft.

If they're going to sign him, I'd prefer to give Hayes 5 x $7m than 6 x $6m.

And he cannot get an NMC, not with Philly possibly needing to go 4-4 in the ED.
- Feanor

They can move someone prior to the expansion draft if needed to protect some more important to them.

I really don't think the expansion draft will be a big problem.

They can move someone prior to the expansion draft if needed to protect some more important to them.

I really don't think the expansion draft will be a big problem.
- J35Bacher

Yea, no way around it, we will lose a decent player.

Yea, no way around it, we will lose a decent player.
- ClaudeFather

Here is something too.

If you left Voracek and van Riemsdyk unprotected, I believe they will be 31 and 32, is the seattle team taking them at the cap hit they have? Voracek will have 3 more years and van Riemsdyk 2.

I think those expansion teams like to have some flexibility early to kind of shape the roster before getting locked in on big money deals.

Just my thought.