Rumors and more rumors...but the “Christina” typo is gold...

https://puckprose.com/201...sted-shayne-gostisbehere/

- NC Flyers Fan

Holy poop there had better be a crap ton more coming back from Montreal than one of those two scrubs.

Fletcher makes that deal he needs to be fired immediately.

So Hayes is 27 and everyone seems worried about him regressing to some pylon.

Yet Gostisbehere is 26 and only going to keep getting better?

Is it purely because of cap hit?
- J35Bacher

Ghost at the top of his game is a dynamic top 3 dman and QB driver with a great contract.

Hayes is arguably a good 3C on a cup contender looking to cash in.

Custance said it best:

Gostisbehere had a down year last season, so the Flyers would be selling low, which might be why teams are calling. This is a smart management group that would prefer to deal from a position of strength, and one that realizes Gostisbehere is a better player than he showed and that he’s still young and capable of bouncing back. Because of that, it would be better to categorize Gostisbehere under the “teams are calling but they’re not necessarily shopping him” category.
- arichardson22

Yep, that’s the rub. IMO Ghost’s value is still good with some teams. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Flyers aren’t going to sell on the cheap. It cracks me up all the don’t sell low talk combined with the—if Ghost bounces back—don’t sell high next offseason! He is definitely someone to listen on...doesn’t mean he goes anywhere, but if he is traded, it’s because of his value.

Ghost at the top of his game is a dynamic top 3 dman and QB driver with a great contract.

Hayes is arguably a good 3C on a cup contender looking to cash in.
- flyer_nutter

And you don't need them to win?

I understand there is hope for Frost and Patrick to be those guys but even look at guy like Drouin in Montreal. Has he really lived up to what he was projected to be?

I think it's good for this team to get a guy like Hayes. Even if eventually he is a 3c at the end or even a 3rd line winger.

I hope Gostisbehere bounces back. But i would really like him to find some consistency in his game. But I am not sure I see him hitting 60 points again as i feel like Sanheim and Myers could eat into his minutes.

GM speak: that poop is priceless.

Basically they really said was:

We want to make the team better, what part of that do you imbeciles not understand? We aren't gonna give away first round picks and good young players for broke down senior citizens and we probably aren't even being considered by the top FAs.

So yeah, we might trade a pick, we might not. How the (frank) do you really expect us to know at this time anyway you morons? JFC, you idiots are almost as clueless as Scott. I mean, FFS, are we working at signing our RFAs? Seriously?? Of course we are. Do you see a lot of other young, quality RFAs being signed right now? Take your time, google it.

Man, they told the local media were dippoops, but good God!
- BiggE

*people that like this: KINGKENZO*

And you don't need them to win?

I understand there is hope for Frost and Patrick to be those guys but even look at guy like Drouin in Montreal. Has he really lived up to what he was projected to be?

I think it's good for this team to get a guy like Hayes. Even if eventually he is a 3c at the end or even a 3rd line winger.
- J35Bacher

I get if they sign him. Fills a need and they want to push to contend.

Let me phrase it this way, I damn well hope (even if there is no real smoke) they are pushing hard for Panarin and Duchene. I’d much rather overpay for the better talent even if it will cost more.

If the best that is out there is Hayes, fine I guess. If his demands are too crazy, let some other GM pay him. I’m more than fine giving the spot to Frost with some decent wingers.

I’m not in the frame of mind they are at the point to push so hard to contend that they need to make dumb deals for a guy like Hayes.

Rumors and more rumors...but the “Christina” typo is gold...

https://puckprose.com/201...sted-shayne-gostisbehere/

- NC Flyers Fan

neither shaw or byron interest me for ghost

I get if they sign him. Fills a need and they want to push to contend.

Let me phrase it this way, I damn well hope (even if there is no real smoke) they are pushing hard for Panarin and Duchene. I’d much rather overpay for the better talent even if it will cost more.

If the best that is out there is Hayes, fine I guess. If his demands are too crazy, let some other GM pay him. I’m more than fine giving the spot to Frost with some decent wingers.

I’m not in the frame of mind they are at the point to push so hard to contend that they need to make dumb deals for a guy like Hayes.
- flyer_nutter

In all honesty where do you think his demands are? Agents aren't dumb. He knows he isn't in the tier of Panarin or Duchene. And everyone has the same info. Brock Nelson, coming off a career year at 50 points just signed at 6 for 36 at the same age.

I really don't see how his demands will be outlandish unless he just doesn't want to play in philly.

neither shaw or byron interest me for ghost
- KINGKENZO

I would probably be trying to get Domi or Drouin if it's Gostisbeher

I would hope if we are trading Ghost its going to be for a top quality player. Maybe Doughty for Ghost and the 11th. IMO Trouba for Ghost is a swap deal since ghost is signed to a friendly contract and Trouba needs resigned. Could ghost be moved in a deal for Subban or Ellis? Nashville is another team that will lose a major defenseman at the expansion draft.

IMO if the 11th is in play its going to be in a package with a player we are trying to move for a star player. However, Fletcher did say he was very high on late firsts and 2nds and 3rd so maybe he is looking for those. Rangers have a late 1st and 2 2nd rounders.... Could they use that to move up? Who knows.
- youarewrong

I can’t wrap my head around trading a defenseman for a defenseman, while we have a logjam of defensemen.

You disregarded everything else in the post which was originally about Hayes and focused on stars; that’s nitpicking bud. Again, I said arguably meaning there may be a few others. Bob wouldn’t be on our radar regardless compared to the others mentioned.
- arichardson22

I stated bob was a star, in response to you name that there was arguably only three stars in the market. You also named Erik Karlsson as a star. Why would we need to sign another defenseman?

I wasn’t nitpicking. You just got sensitive.

Frost can begin on wing or Hayes can be moved to wing. It is not like they are stuck keeping either of anyone in any position. Why are we worried what MIGHT happen 3 years down the road?
- youarewrong

You expect Morgan Frost to be an NHL player in three years?

Worry about that when it comes to it. Right now he's a better center than Patrick and Frost hasn't played a lick of pro hockey(and might become a winger for all we know)

I saw someone mention Hayes has played some RW as well. Can't confirm that myself though. They'll have options. It all comes down to the cap hit and NMC for me.
- hereticpride

Oh, I’m definitely worried about what’s happening right now. Fletcher just went out of his way to talk to a guy who is by no means a real difference maker to this roster and he’s likely to overpay for him.

Maybe he isn't a star but then again we're not paying him star money are we? If we sign him to anything more than 7 a year, i think thats an overpay, albeit fair market value. I would like to sign him to a brock nelson type deal, 6 x 6, or at the very worst 6 x 6.5. 6.5 mil a year isn't star money, its very good player money. and he is a good player, who brings a lot to the table, who could also contribute to Patricks development.
- sjk540

We’re not paying Hayes anything yet because we don’t know the details of the contract that is being worked out. I’m expecting Fletcher will overpay, seeing how he just made a point to trade for his rights.

In Utero was a better album than Nevermind.

I'll show myself out now.

11th + Ghost for Ehlers lets git it done!

So Hayes is 27 and everyone seems worried about him regressing to some pylon.

Yet Gostisbehere is 26 and only going to keep getting better?

Is it purely because of cap hit?
- J35Bacher

I’m not going to sit here and promise that Ghost will get better but my question is, Where does he need to improvement and are you seeing improvement in these areas? I’m seeing speed and elite level point totals every other year. Outside of this, I haven’t seen him prove defensively in four seasons. He’s a small guy who gets out muscled by bigger players and reads defensive plays poorly.

Holy poop there had better be a crap ton more coming back from Montreal than one of those two scrubs.

Fletcher makes that deal he needs to be fired immediately.
- MBFlyerfan

My God. That can't be taken seriously. Two stiffs for Ghost because he had an off year. No thanks

Oh, I’m definitely worried about what’s happening right now. Fletcher just went out of his way to talk to a guy who is by no means a real difference maker to this roster and he’s likely to overpay for him.
- SuperSchennBros

So if they sign Hayes for 6 years at 6million and this year the team plays well and Patrick breaks out because he gets more favorable matchups, that wasn't worth it?

Rumors and more rumors...but the “Christina” typo is gold...

https://puckprose.com/201...sted-shayne-gostisbehere/

- NC Flyers Fan

If Ghost is going to Montreal I better see Drouin coming back here.

I’m not going to sit here and promise that Ghost will get better but my question is, Where does he need to improvement and are you seeing improvement in these areas? I’m seeing speed and elite level point totals every other year. Outside of this, I haven’t seen him prove defensively in four seasons. He’s a small guy who gets out muscled by bigger players and reads defensive plays poorly.
- SuperSchennBros

Here's is what i see. And just my opinion.

Gostisbehere isn't fast. He is shifty and quick twich but not really fast at all. I would say Myers and Sanheim are way better skaters.

Gostisbehere, who is a defensman, needs to be more active in his own zone. He doesn't need to man handle a guy on the boards but there needs to be mroe compete and better awareness in his own zone.

At times he can be good when reading the game and anticipating. When he's playing well you see that. but too many times I feel he gets lost in the zone and loses his man or responsibility and sometimes too quick to try and leave the zone.

He will always be a guy to push the envelop and try to make plays. Almost like what got Konecny in trouble early on. I feel Gotisbehere needs to be better with the puck and just find a greater consistency in his game. I don't want one good season followed by a down one.

Everyone in here would probably say they would take Gostisbehere over Torey Krug, but thing is Krug has been a pretty consistent player while producing around 40-50 points a year.

So if they sign Hayes for 6 years at 6million and this year the team plays well and Patrick breaks out because he gets more favorable matchups, that wasn't worth it?
- J35Bacher

That's the absolute ideal scenario.

We know that it's likely not to work out that perfectly.

I personally put my money on Hayes playing well for a bit, then sliding into full 3C land. Meanwhile, Patrick continues to languish despite cushy usage/matchups, and they end up with a glut of bottom-six C's. Eventually they trade Patrick for not much, since Hayes is an albatross by that time.

Everyone in here would probably say they would take Gostisbehere over Torey Krug, but thing is Krug has been a pretty consistent player while producing around 40-50 points a year.
- J35Bacher

Krug hasn't always been that dependable either defensively. He's gotten a lot better lately, and that's the hope with Ghost is that he puts it together at age 25-27.

In Utero was a better album than Nevermind.

I'll show myself out now.
- jmatchett383

Bleach or GTFO

That's the absolute ideal scenario.

We know that it's likely not to work out that perfectly.

I personally put my money on Hayes playing well for a bit, then sliding into full 3C land. Meanwhile, Patrick continues to languish despite cushy usage/matchups, and they end up with a glut of bottom-six C's. Eventually they trade Patrick for not much, since Hayes is an albatross by that time.


- Tomahawk

It's funny because people look at Duchene as this super big upgrade on Hayes and yet he is a year older and really only had 70 points last year and 2013. Othere then that he was a 50 point producer basically. But people are ready to pay him 9 million over 7 years.

I don't think Hayes is going to dimish so much he'll be a cone out there. I think over 6 years he'll be solid player, handle heavy minutes and eventually slid to wing or possibly a 3c shut down role.