If you sign/trade for a center, G will still get some games there when injuries happen. But expecting him to be an everyday center, and play on a different line to Couturier, would be poor planning.

Giroux-Couturier-Voracek/Konecny has been the Flyers best line by far for the past two years.
- Feanor

Which is the problem on a team with zero depth. Unwillingness to spread the wealth all for Giroux’s comfort.

For what it would cost to get him I'd rather target someone else. If he were a UFA maybe I'd have more interest if he was the best available and not costing us assets.

I still think we should be trying to get RNH if Hayes doesn't pan out.
- hereticpride

Absolutely agree

Kind of embarrassing if Hayes doesn't sign

Wow, the Giroux at center vs wing debate. The better centers available through trade debate. My favorite arguments are being tossed around and I wasn’t here to be apart of it.

If Giroux really came out and said “I prefer wing to center, I’m more comfortable on the wing”, this is a sad statement by our Captain. The correct answer is “I’ll play wherever I’m needed”.

I also have to apologize for all the Kadri arguments I’ve made lately. It’s not so much that I want Nazem Kadri, it’s more so me wanting another impact player like Kadri and Toronto is the team we should be watching closely. Is Mitch Marner likely to sit half the season like Nylander did for money? Might Nylander get dealt because Nylander didn’t look like a six million dollar player?

You see, I would rather trade Ghost or deal our 11th overall pick in a package for an a player with impact. I do feel like one of Marner, Nylander or Kadri is a more impactful player than Kevin Hayes, who strikes me as a less Sean Couturier. 19 to maybe 25 goals a season at 6 million plus doesn’t excite me for Hayes. If Matt Duchene’s career high of 70 as a flashy career star has never made Couturier’s two time 76 points. Do any of you see Hayes getting on Couturier and Duchene’s level?

Kind of embarrassing if Hayes doesn't sign
- PhillySportsGuy

I’m embarrassed for the team who does sign him because he has better be worth it.

Kind of embarrassing if Hayes doesn't sign
- PhillySportsGuy

Man, if he spurns the Flyers for the Jackets or 'Yotes, that would be

Man, if he spurns the Flyers for the Jackets or 'Yotes, that would be
- Tomahawk

Hexy really killed off that Flyers luster. They used to be able to get guys signed if they wanted them. Now they need to outbid the (frank)ing Blue Jackets

Kind of embarrassing if Hayes doesn't sign
- PhillySportsGuy

You got that right.

Hexy really killed off that Flyers luster. They used to be able to get guys signed if they wanted them. Now they need to outbid the (frank)ing Blue Jackets
- PhillySportsGuy

If I'm a UFA, and looking at the way past big UFA signings were treated by the Flyers in the salary cap era, I'd hesitate too.

Wow, the Giroux at center vs wing debate. The better centers available through trade debate. My favorite arguments are being tossed around and I wasn’t here to be apart of it.

If Giroux really came out and said “I prefer wing to center, I’m more comfortable on the wing”, this is a sad statement by our Captain. The correct answer is “I’ll play wherever I’m needed”.

I also have to apologize for all the Kadri arguments I’ve made lately. It’s not so much that I want Nazem Kadri, it’s more so me wanting another impact player like Kadri and Toronto is the team we should be watching closely. Is Mitch Marner likely to sit half the season like Nylander did for money? Might Nylander get dealt because Nylander didn’t look like a six million dollar player?

You see, I would rather trade Ghost or deal our 11th overall pick in a package for an a player with impact. I do feel like one of Marner, Nylander or Kadri is a more impactful player than Kevin Hayes, who strikes me as a less Sean Couturier. 19 to maybe 25 goals a season at 6 million plus doesn’t excite me for Hayes. If Matt Duchene’s career high of 70 as a flashy career star has never made Couturier’s two time 76 points. Do any of you see Hayes getting on Couturier and Duchene’s level?
- SuperSchennBros

I think the leafs will move Kadri or Nylander if it is needed to free up $ for Marner...>I can’t see Marner being moved and for good reason....guy is going to be a superstar, if he’s already not there. I would rather we add someone with a higher skill level then Hayes as well, but I also think Nopa is going to take a major stride this year.
I’m not advocating moving Ghost, but you have to trade quality to get quality....status quo and hoping for improvement from within while not making some substantial moves got Hextall fired...rightfully so. I think Fletch will be more active then some think.

For what it would cost to get him I'd rather target someone else. If he were a UFA maybe I'd have more interest if he was the best available and not costing us assets.

I still think we should be trying to get RNH if Hayes doesn't pan out.
- hereticpride

Hopkins would cost more to acquire than Kadri.

If I'm a UFA, and looking at the way past big UFA signings were treated by the Flyers in the salary cap era, I'd hesitate too.
- Tomahawk

This is just high school level drama.

If I'm a UFA, and looking at the way past big UFA signings were treated by the Flyers in the salary cap era, I'd hesitate too.
- Tomahawk

Who was stiffed?

Hexy really killed off that Flyers luster. They used to be able to get guys signed if they wanted them. Now they need to outbid the (frank)ing Blue Jackets
- PhillySportsGuy

Not sure if that’s totally the case or other teams simply upped their game to match teams like philly on the free agent front. With the team having no real tangible success under Hextalls tenure, guys probably see better options out there if winning is at all important.

I’d rather the Flyers move some of the stable of prospects or draft picks for some high end RFA then settle for a guy of Hayes ilk. There are some real opportunities now that the Flyers have a ton of Salary cap clout, and some teams with high end RFAs are up against it.

If I'm a UFA, and looking at the way past big UFA signings were treated by the Flyers in the salary cap era, I'd hesitate too.
- Tomahawk

We traded JVR and just resigned him last summer...

If I'm a UFA, and looking at the way past big UFA signings were treated by the Flyers in the salary cap era, I'd hesitate too.
- Tomahawk

Absolutely. Great point.

Not sure if that’s totally the case or other teams simply upped their game to match teams like philly on the free agent front. With the team having no real tangible success under Hextalls tenure, guys probably see better options out there if winning is at all important.

I’d rather the Flyers move some of the stable of prospects or draft picks for some high end RFA then settle for a guy of Hayes ilk. There are some real opportunities now that the Flyers have a ton of Salary cap clout, and some teams with high end RFAs are up against it.
- landros 2

We don’t know that they aren’t going to do that. Maybe they feel they need those players for a defenseman or a winger, hence why they went for Hayes? I think they just need to be given a chance.

If I'm a UFA, and looking at the way past big UFA signings were treated by the Flyers in the salary cap era, I'd hesitate too.
- Tomahawk

Always thought it would be funny if they traded JVR again 1 year into his deal

I think the leafs will move Kadri or Nylander if it is needed to free up $ for Marner...>I can’t see Marner being moved and for good reason....guy is going to be a superstar, if he’s already not there. I would rather we add someone with a higher skill level then Hayes as well, but I also think Nopa is going to take a major stride this year.
I’m not advocating moving Ghost, but you have to trade quality to get quality....status quo and hoping for improvement from within while not making some substantial moves got Hextall fired...rightfully so. I think Fletch will be more active then some think.
- landros 2

I agree 100%, we're on the same page.

Hopkins would cost more to acquire than Kadri.
- MJL

Correct. Hopkins is a far better player. Who I'd be willing to trade assets for. Not Kadri though.

Always thought it would be funny if they traded JVR again 1 year into his deal
- PhillySportsGuy

They can't do that. My old JVR autographed jersey just became relevant again.

Kind of embarrassing if Hayes doesn't sign
- PhillySportsGuy

I don’t think it’s embarrassing at all if another team is willing to give him longer term or more dollars than the Flyers feel comfortable laying out. I think he’ll want and get more than the Flyers will offer and I’m fine with that.

Anybody else seeing the Ehlers to the flyers rumors? Apparently the 11th overall would be in play. I would think the flyers would need to add a bit more to the trade. Providing that piece is minor I am interested in that deal. Ehlers for 11 and hagg? Count me in

Anybody else seeing the Ehlers to the flyers rumors? Apparently the 11th overall would be in play. I would think the flyers would need to add a bit more to the trade. Providing that piece is minor I am interested in that deal. Ehlers for 11 and hagg? Count me in
- Just5

i would do 11 and Hagg for Ehlers

until convinced otherwise because i'm easily swayed

playing devil's advocate, WPG would be selling low on Ehlers after a down year. Though they are approaching a bit of a cap crunch and it doesn't seem completely out of the realm of possibility. Ehlers could probably fetch something better than 11th and Hagg though.

now, if someone like Zegras or Podkolzin slips to 11, i would regret making that deal.

Hexy really killed off that Flyers luster. They used to be able to get guys signed if they wanted them. Now they need to outbid the (frank)ing Blue Jackets
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't agree with this. Its not like the old days where they could just throw the most money at a guy.

If the Blue Jackets (using your example) have more cap space, or more importantly, have a better cap structure that lends itself to signing a big contract, they would have the advantage. This goes for any team.

The Flyers are in a pretty good spot to be able to do that now thanks to Hexy. And I am of the opinion that they shouldn't waste it on on the first shiny thing that comes along, especially if they have to resign all the shiny RFA's they have currently and in the near future.