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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 14 @ 7:53 AM ET
I don't agree with this. Its not like the old days where they could just throw the most money at a guy.

If the Blue Jackets (using your example) have more cap space, or more importantly, have a better cap structure that lends itself to signing a big contract, they would have the advantage. This goes for any team.

The Flyers are in a pretty good spot to be able to do that now thanks to Hexy. And I am of the opinion that they shouldn't waste it on on the first shiny thing that comes along, especially if they have to resign all the shiny RFA's they have currently and in the near future.

- MBFlyerfan


My point is that the Flyers aren't as much of a destination team anymore. They can't just expect to give the best offer and win the bidding. Remember Lecavalier choosing them over 5 other teams with competitive offers? Obviously it didn't work out, but he CHOSE the Flyers.

It's just my belief that the team has some reputation rebuilding to do
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 8:46 AM ET
Kind of embarrassing if Hayes doesn't sign
- PhillySportsGuy


Kind of embarrassing to post that it's embarrassing if Hayes doesn't sign. He is a UFA on July 1.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 8:49 AM ET
I don't agree with this. Its not like the old days where they could just throw the most money at a guy.

If the Blue Jackets (using your example) have more cap space, or more importantly, have a better cap structure that lends itself to signing a big contract, they would have the advantage. This goes for any team.

The Flyers are in a pretty good spot to be able to do that now thanks to Hexy. And I am of the opinion that they shouldn't waste it on on the first shiny thing that comes along, especially if they have to resign all the shiny RFA's they have currently and in the near future.

- MBFlyerfan


The posts being made about UFA's are not wanting to sign with the Flyers are just asinine. UFA players have earned the right to sign where they want to. The obvious reasons are they want to win right away, family and geography considerations, and of course, they want to get paid. Not every team can click all the boxes. In a few years when the Flyers, hopefully are one of the top young up and coming teams in the league, they will be in a primo spot where UFA's want to play.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 8:49 AM ET
My point is that the Flyers aren't as much of a destination team anymore. They can't just expect to give the best offer and win the bidding. Remember Lecavalier choosing them over 5 other teams with competitive offers? Obviously it didn't work out, but he CHOSE the Flyers.

It's just my belief that the team has some reputation rebuilding to do

- PhillySportsGuy


Based on what? LOL
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 14 @ 8:55 AM ET
Always thought it would be funny if they traded JVR again 1 year into his deal
- PhillySportsGuy


He'll be mailed to Abu Dhabi in a box long before his contract is up.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:02 AM ET
Gudas traded for Niskanen
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 14 @ 9:04 AM ET
Gudas traded for Niskanen
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 14 @ 9:06 AM ET
Gudas traded for Niskanen
- MBFlyerfan

Higher cap hit and additional year on contract, jesus
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 14 @ 9:06 AM ET
Gudas traded for Niskanen
- MBFlyerfan



There's your vet top 4
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:06 AM ET
I like the trade, a good hockey trade
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 9:06 AM ET
Gudas traded for Niskanen
- MBFlyerfan



Nice trade by Mr. Fletcher.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:09 AM ET
Nice trade by Mr. Fletcher.
- MJL



Agreed, I think he fit better. Gudas is a good D but this is an upgrade and brings cup experience
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 14 @ 9:09 AM ET
Nice trade by Mr. Fletcher.
- MJL



I'll take it. You get your vet top 4 guy and he's still a pretty good player.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:10 AM ET
My point is that the Flyers aren't as much of a destination team anymore. They can't just expect to give the best offer and win the bidding. Remember Lecavalier choosing them over 5 other teams with competitive offers? Obviously it didn't work out, but he CHOSE the Flyers.

It's just my belief that the team has some reputation rebuilding to do

- PhillySportsGuy


Yeah, if you want to win, you're probably not gonna choose the team in the middle of a rebuild.

If you want stability, you're not gonna go to the franchise that's traded/BO'd/buried everybody who's signed a long-term contract in recent memory.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 14 @ 9:11 AM ET
There's your vet top 4
- J35Bacher


So now we can start discussing the pairs.

Provorov Niskanen
Sanheim Myers/Hagg
Gostibehere Morin/Hagg

Still need to figure out the AMac situation and whether or not Myers and Morin are regulars. Who sits etc.

Going to be am interesting training camp/off season to see if any more dmen are dealt for forward help.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 14 @ 9:13 AM ET
Nice trade by Mr. Fletcher.
- MJL

He was the only minus Dman on the Caps last year and has clearly lost a step. Gudas is the better and less expensive player.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:14 AM ET
Paper soft team just turned to charmin.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:14 AM ET
I like the trade, a good hockey trade
- wcorvette


Not a bad player, but kind of a sideways move.

If this means Ghost won't be traded, then it's worth it?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 14 @ 9:14 AM ET
So now we can start discussing the pairs.

Provorov Niskanen
Sanheim Myers/Hagg
Gostibehere Morin/Hagg

Still need to figure out the AMac situation and whether or not Myers and Morin are regulars. Who sits etc.

Going to be am interesting training camp/off season to see if any more dmen are dealt for forward help.

- MBFlyerfan



https://www.nhltraderumor...xGlCq0JqIPIL9mZzcFYuoNFvc


Why would the Flyers be retaining 30% of Gudas' deal?

Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman added that the Philadelphia Flyers will retain 30% of Gudas' contract. Earlier, it was stated that Washington was looking to acquire Shayne Ghostisbehere from Philadelphia for Niskanen, but the Flyers countered with Gudas.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Jun 14 @ 9:15 AM ET
Nice trade by Mr. Fletcher.
- MJL


Based on what? LOL
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:15 AM ET
Gudas traded for Niskanen
- MBFlyerfan


I like it.

Gudas had a good year when matched up against 3rd/4th liners. Niskanen is a more legit top-4 D, and is also a RHD.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jun 14 @ 9:15 AM ET
Paper soft team just turned to charmin.
- PLindbergh31



Damn it Clown.

Can't have physical players.
Can't have dynamic offensive players.
Can't have size.

If it's not a team of 200 foot players then it's going to suck.

(I'm actually with you on this move when viewing it in a vacuum)
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 14 @ 9:16 AM ET
I like it.

Gudas had a good year when matched up against 3rd/4th liners. Niskanen is a more legit top-4 D, and is also a RHD.

- jmatchett383

Eye test, +/-, advanced stats are in the gutter, This is not the same guy . He's over the hill and we just got fleeced.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:16 AM ET
Why would the Flyers be retaining 30% of Gudas' deal?
- MBFlyerfan


That is kinda weird... so Gudas - 30% salary = Ghost?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:17 AM ET
Damn it Clown.

Can't have physical players.
Can't have dynamic offensive players.
Can't have size.

If it's not a team of 200 foot players then it's going to suck.

(I'm actually with you on this move when viewing it in a vacuum)

- opeth_pa


I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Morin will be a more continuous physical presence than Gudas, health aside.
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