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hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Jun 14 @ 9:44 AM ET
What is wrong with you people? When did Gudas become Pronger? Niskanen’s contract is only 2 more years. We gave up a career 3rd pairing defenseman that had a decent year last year, decent meaning he did take a poop ton of penalties and suspensions, for a multi cup winner defenseman that can show ghost, Provy, and Myers how to play a solid 2 way game.

Even if Niskanen is declining it’s only 2 seasons. This was a huge win at best, and a lateral move at worst.

- youarewrong



I deal with the god damn customers, so the engineers don't have to!! I've got people skills!!
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Jun 14 @ 9:45 AM ET
Caps just got more physical and harder to play against. We got a 25 point minus defenseman for nearly 7 mil on this years cap counting the retained cash

Fletchered

- Just5

Wait until gudas lays a flyer out and all the upset fans saying he is a dirty player.... will

Wonder why the caps gave up on him so easily it seems.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 9:45 AM ET
What is wrong with you people? When did Gudas become Pronger? Niskanen’s contract is only 2 more years. We gave up a career 3rd pairing defenseman that had a decent year last year, decent meaning he didn't take a poop ton of penalties and suspensions, for a multi cup winner defenseman that can show ghost, Provy, and Myers how to play a solid 2 way game.

Even if Niskanen is declining it’s only 2 seasons. This was a huge win at best, and a lateral move at worst.

- youarewrong


It's not a huge win on any level. It's a nice trade. The Flyers got the better player in exchange for Gudas and some cap space for Washington. Without affecting the future. exactly the kind of deal I wanted the Flyers to make.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 14 @ 9:46 AM ET
Wait until gudas lays a flyer out and all the upset fans saying he is a dirty player.... will

Wonder why the caps gave up on him so easily it seems.

- daryl stanley



Caps need to clear money. It's a cap(money) move for them
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 14 @ 9:46 AM ET
Niskanen will surely appreciate the shorter seasons upcoming.
- Just5

Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 14 @ 9:46 AM ET
Since we're looking at numbers, the Flyers should've traded for Brooks Orpik instead of Niskanen. He had a better Corsi, better GF%. Better Expected GF%.
- MJL

Imagine the crying then.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:46 AM ET
Wait until gudas lays a flyer out and all the upset fans saying he is a dirty player.... will

Wonder why the caps gave up on him so easily it seems.

- daryl stanley


I hope the caps PK is good. Gudas + Wilson = Always on the PK.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 14 @ 9:47 AM ET
Caps just got more physical and harder to play against. We got a 25 point minus defenseman for nearly 7 mil on this years cap counting the retained cash

Fletchered

- Just5

from "im ok with it" to this in under 10 minutes

impressive
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Jun 14 @ 9:47 AM ET
I don't mind the move. My two concerns are 1. we traded a RHD for a RHD so aren't we still in search of another??? And, two, we have to face Radko now. Knowing what he did to our guys in practice, being on the opposing team, he is going to wreck havoc. Poor Coots is a dead man. Won't be an "accident" next time...
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:47 AM ET
Niskanen will surely appreciate the shorter seasons upcoming.
- Just5




Cap hits for 2019-2020

Gudas approx. 2.2 after salary retained
Niskanen approx 7

Absurd. Caps are doing backflips. They get rid of a guy who was arguably one of their worst d-men last year, and save close to 5 million.

Fletch.



bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 14 @ 9:49 AM ET
Not a fan of the trade

Edit: I don't think Niskanen is an upgrade over Gudas period, but at 5 mill more too? Jeez
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 14 @ 9:50 AM ET
I don't mind the move. My two concerns are 1. we traded a RHD for a RHD so aren't we still in search of another??? And, two, we have to face Radko now. Knowing what he did to our guys in practice, being on the opposing team, he is going to wreck havoc. Poor Coots is a dead man. Won't be an "accident" next time...
- cdearth23


Myers not in the top 6?
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:50 AM ET
It's not a huge win on any level. It's a nice trade. The Flyers got the better player in exchange for Gudas and some cap space for Washington. Without affecting the future. exactly the kind of deal I wanted the Flyers to make.
- MJL


Now your on board???? Lol. If this is the kind of move you wanted the Flyers to make you should have said that instead of saying how Fletcher is going to make bad moves because he was mandated. Lol.

Even when we agree it’s a good move you still find a way to disagree. You are just..... wrong.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 14 @ 9:50 AM ET


Cap hits for 2019-2020

Gudas approx. 2.2 after salary retained
Niskanen approx 7

Absurd. Caps are doing backflips. They get rid of a guy who was arguably one of their worst d-men last year, and save close to 5 million.

Fletch.




- PLindbergh31



So you would have preferred moving Gostisbehere and retaining no salary?

Who cares about the money retained? They moved a limited Gudas for a more polished and better all around top 4 in Niskanen. The Flyers got better with this deal
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:51 AM ET
So you would have preferred moving Gostisbehere and retaining no salary?

Who cares about the money retained? They moved a limited Gudas for a more polished and better all around top 4 in Niskanen. The Flyers got better with this deal

- J35Bacher


Isn't the veteran top 4 dman role already filled by MacDonald?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:51 AM ET
Why are you you?
- jmatchett383


25 points, -3, 7 mil cap hit

Game, set, jmatch
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 9:52 AM ET
I don't mind the move. My two concerns are 1. we traded a RHD for a RHD so aren't we still in search of another??? And, two, we have to face Radko now. Knowing what he did to our guys in practice, being on the opposing team, he is going to wreck havoc. Poor Coots is a dead man. Won't be an "accident" next time...
- cdearth23



It's hockey. Maybe when the Flyers play a team with a physical player such as Gudas, Tom Wilson, Cheap shot artist Marchand, etc, they should scratch some players so they don't get hurt.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:52 AM ET
25 points, -3, 7 mil cap hit

Game, set, jmatch

- Just5


His game and skillset wasn't the comment I was referring to, DF.

Lern 2 reed
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:52 AM ET
from "im ok with it" to this in under 10 minutes

impressive

- Crimsoninja


We’re moving in a fast world
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 14 @ 9:55 AM ET
Without affecting the future
- MJL


That's the key right there.

In the basket of possible moves that Fletcher could have made, this was one of the least terrible options. It's basically a stop-gap for another stop-gap.

All the kids are still here, that's all that matters.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 14 @ 9:55 AM ET
It's hockey. Maybe when the Flyers play a team with a physical player such as Gudas, Tom Wilson, Cheap shot artist Marchand, etc, they should scratch some players so they don't get hurt.
- MJL



Myers, Hagg, Morin all can play a physical game.

Gudas was limited. He had a very good year but he is not as skilled as Niskanen.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 14 @ 9:58 AM ET
Myers, Hagg, Morin all can play a physical game.

Gudas was limited. He had a very good year but he is not as skilled as Niskanen.

- J35Bacher


This move was the exact opposite of trading Ghost. They traded a player whose value was at a high point for a player whose value was at a low point, hoping that the player can bounce back to some extent.

It's not a game-changing move, but it's not giving Gudas away for nothing.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 14 @ 9:58 AM ET


Cap hits for 2019-2020

Gudas approx. 2.2 after salary retained
Niskanen approx 7

Absurd. Caps are doing backflips. They get rid of a guy who was arguably one of their worst d-men last year, and save close to 5 million.

Fletch.




- PLindbergh31



What’s sweet is when no one wants to play for your team willingly. You get drunk on the cap space!
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 14 @ 10:00 AM ET
Since we're looking at numbers, the Flyers should've traded for Brooks Orpik instead of Niskanen. He had a better Corsi, better GF%. Better Expected GF%.
- MJL

His on ice play that was horrid and in plain sight was coupled with the poor advanced stats, but sure just say the advanced stats were mentioned, classic MJL hand picking pieces of an argument and trying to feel superior.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 14 @ 10:00 AM ET
What’s sweet is when no one wants to play for your team willingly. You get drunk on the cap space!
- Just5


Have to eat poop to acquire marginal players. Sad.
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