Chief4Feathers
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That could be it.
I heard his bro, Pirri and Morin (all guys were close) didn't like the way they were "treated". Thought they deserved more.
Kevin Hayes was the most talented of them all and didn't even give it a shot. Things would have surely been different in his case but I'm not 100% sure the entire story. - Tyler Cameron
Yep, that was the scuttlebutt at the time. All of those guys got exactly what they earned... which wasn’t much. Pirri was one of the most entitled prospects I ever came across - really impressed with himself. |
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StLBravesFan
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Location: IL Joined: 07.03.2011
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FYI. Only two type of contracts can have performance bonuses. ELCs and over 35 contracts.
Any contract can have signing bonuses built into them like quite a few players have done in recent years. As you probably know, its just them getting a percentage of their yearly salary upfront. - Elbows15
Which gets paid even if there is a lockout. |
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L_B_R
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That could be it.
I heard his bro, Pirri and Morin (all guys were close) didn't like the way they were "treated". Thought they deserved more.
Kevin Hayes was the most talented of them all and didn't even give it a shot. Things would have surely been different in his case but I'm not 100% sure the entire story. - Tyler Cameron Yep and them trading his brother was likely the last straw. K.Hayes was still saying he was coming to Chicago literally 3 weeks before J.Hayes was traded and then it was much more vague comments about college hockey being his priority and how he'd get a chance to think about his future when that season was over. |
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RickJ
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Location: Burlington, ON Joined: 01.12.2010
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That could be it.
I heard his bro, Pirri and Morin (all guys were close) didn't like the way they were "treated". Thought they deserved more.
Kevin Hayes was the most talented of them all and didn't even give it a shot. Things would have surely been different in his case but I'm not 100% sure the entire story. - Tyler Cameron
I wouldnt touch Kevin Hayes with surgical gloves. Screw him and his useless tit brother who wound up with a sizeable NHL contract given out by Dale Fallon. Then he left Florida and signed with Boston who quickly figured out he couldn't play, just like Q knew all along.
It was Chris Drury that had a lot of influence on Hayes and Jimmy Vesey and others to get them to sign with the Rangers. So let him find Kevin another job nowhere near Chicago. |
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L_B_R
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What is the stat called that measures shot suppression (and if it is called "shot suppression", I'm done trying to figure out these dang stats)? - Chunk
Shot suppression is just a fancy way of saying preventing shots so at the high level you literally just look at shots when a player is on the ice and then work your way deeper from there.
So yeah, first high level: does the other team shoot less when a specific player is on the ice? You can narrow this down to where the shots are coming from: does the other team shoot less when a specific player is on the ice from the slot? After that, you can look into their defensive micro stats of the specific player to see why shots might be down when he is on the ice: blocked shots (in general and in the slot), passes prevented, forced turnovers/steals, zone exits, etc. |
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RickJ
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Location: Burlington, ON Joined: 01.12.2010
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They also traded his brother who didn't particularly like his time in Chicago either. K.Hayes was still saying he was coming to Chicago literally 3 weeks before J.Hayes was traded and then it was much more vague comments about college hockey being his priority and how he'd get a chance to think about his future when that season was over. - L_B_R
Screw Kevin Hayes and the ship he sails on. I hope he ends up in the KHL getting paid in rubles. |
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L_B_R
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I wouldnt touch Kevin Hayes with surgical gloves. Screw him and his useless tit brother who wound up with a sizeable NHL contract given out by Dale Fallon. Then he left Florida and signed with Boston who quickly figured out he couldn't play, just like Q knew all along.
It was Chris Drury that had a lot of influence on Hayes and Jimmy Vesey and others to get them to sign with the Rangers. So let him find Kevin another job nowhere near Chicago. - RickJ
I don't care about K.Hayes past with the Hawks so much as whether he would help them win another cup while signing a not unreasonable contract. But the latter part is key (as with any FA signings). |
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RickJ
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Location: Burlington, ON Joined: 01.12.2010
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I don't care about K.Hayes past with the Hawks so much as whether he would help them win another cup while signing a not unreasonable contract. But the latter part is key (as with any FA signings). - L_B_R
Not unreasonable contract? He's going to be looking for $7M per and for long term. And he ain't worth it. Gimme a Mat Zucharello for less money and shorter term and you get a character player with lots of guts. |
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DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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I don't care about K.Hayes past with the Hawks so much as whether he would help them win another cup while signing a not unreasonable contract. But the latter part is key (as with any FA signings). - L_B_R
I'd be ok with Hayes under the right circumstances. Contract is definitely part of the equation; cap hit and term. But it's also important to consider the other moves Stan would make. I would assume Hayes means the end of Anisimov, but they'd still have too many forwards. Toews - Strome - Hayes - Kampf would be some solid depth down the middle. |
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Jason Millen
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Location: Saint Louis, MO Joined: 01.28.2016
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at the end of each playoff series, there is usually reports of someone who played with a serious injury.....anyone hear of such in the SCF? - glennjpawlak22
O'Reilly has at least one cracked rib if not more. Been playing with broken ribs for most of the playoffs as it happened early. |
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Chief4Feathers
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Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World Joined: 12.23.2010
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I'd be ok with Hayes under the right circumstances. Contract is definitely part of the equation; cap hit and term. But it's also important to consider the other moves Stan would make. I would assume Hayes means the end of Anisimov, but they'd still have too many forwards. Toews - Strome - Hayes - Kampf would be some solid depth down the middle. - DarthKane
Hayes is probably seeking the kind of $/term where none of us would feel good about the Hawks signing him. Let some other team anchor themselves to Mr. Me-First. |
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jhawk59
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Joined: 02.15.2013
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15 games isn't enough to qualify as struggled to me. Also don't think he used in a defined role. He will get a look if he is signed. What he does with it is up to him. Paying a bottom line guy 3M/year in unrealistic in a hard cap league.
And to Bread's point about penalties, he had 8 minutes in 15 games. So 4. - Elbows15
The other kid - Hagel teamatte who is a center - add him to mix. Those two and Entwhustle will develop and you win with them. They are too good just as checkers and fit more as a thitd line type. Hagel may be a second line option as he can skate and shoot plus has generated points. Barrett sounds like he should be a skill version of Burrish. I just don't know exactly how good is his skill set.
So you win with them.As bottom line guys. Nilsson would be solid and is a chippy style. Luke Johnson is a poor man's offensive contributor whom route to keeping an NHL job is his defensive play. Good compete and he needs to carve out or really impress because he is now or soon in a numbers game.
We really need one, preferably two power forward or resembling that ON TOP TWO LINES - PREFERABLY ONE EACH LINE - BECAUSE WE WILL BE MUCH BETTER OFF ON BOTTOM TWO LINES THAN EVER IMAGINED AS THE AFOREMENTIONED KIDS DEVELOP.
The dilemna at #3 is about how and when you add pieces to the lineup which quite frankly could be debated and a solid arguement made whatever route is choosen. 1). If you need to place greater emphasis on making playoffs then you could trade down and land at #5 or the first Islanders pick. You do this to gain a Hickey or someone from LA - don't think they would part with Martinez. You can go after a forward perhaps with a bit of luck a power forward could still be on board. Broberg offers the skating and.skill you see in D Keith. You think now is the time to move Keith if you are ever going to get value for him. He may not agree to a trade and or Bowman may be afraid to move him as Bowman wants to be even last seed in playoffs.
Corresponding move could be the overwhelming desire to add a sure fire goaltending prospect if available this is a conditional trade. I have mixed view whether to trade Gus - i probably would not. Hope Gravel and Laakinen prove good enough in long term
Your second option with #3 is to draft a special dman or the best of the forwards. If a dman then you are passing on maybe best opportunity to select a power forward or forward most resembling with a really early pick. When and where are you going to gain a dire team need? The draft....right.....but will we draft this early and have as many good forwards to choose among?
I really am unafraid to take Bynam no matter should he become a first or second pair. I suppose i would try to extrapolate just how good a Cozens could be. Probably need his style more than a Turcotte. If Dach skated better i would take him. Caufield will be great for someone but we have his type in DeBrincat and our needs preclude his selection
Loving prospects i hate to trade down. Don't know your choice but final call i hope Cozens instead of Bynam is best call. |
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bogiedoc
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Theo Fox
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He would be okay. Part of me wonders if they don't already have their own version of him in a guy like Johnson or in Entwistle/Hagel which only cost them ELC level cap space. Allowing them to use the cap space for something bigger in nature. - Elbows15
That could be an option given that nearly all of the Rockford players who have played under Colliton project to be bottom 6 players if they make it to the NHL.
Although I would prefer Bowman to explore a 4th line comprised of edgy veterans like Caggiula and a Tanev-like player centered by Kampf, a 4th line could very well be comprised of some of the better Hog forwards:
Kampf, L Johnson, Highmore, Nilsson
The other Johnson (Reese) may really surprise in his first full pro season. He is great at the dot, loves to hit, is defensively responsible, skates well, brings leadership qualities (was Red Deer captain).
If Colliton trusts some of his former Hog players enough to lock down the 4th line, Bowman could then use cap space and assets to focus more on strengthening the 3rd line and blueline depth. Not saying that's the correct path to take but it is a realistic option. |
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jhawk59
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That could be an option given that nearly all of the Rockford players who have played under Colliton project to be bottom 6 players if they make it to the NHL.
Although I would prefer Bowman to explore a 4th line comprised of edgy veterans like Caggiula and a Tanev-like player centered by Kampf, a 4th line could very well be comprised of some of the better Hog forwards:
Kampf, L Johnson, Highmore, Nilsson
The other Johnson (Reese) may really surprise in his first full pro season. He is great at the dot, loves to hit, is defensively responsible, skates well, brings leadership qualities (was Red Deer captain).
If Colliton trusts some of his former Hog players enough to lock down the 4th line, Bowman could then use cap space and assets to focus more on strengthening the 3rd line and blueline depth. Not saying that's the correct path to take but it is a realistic option. - AEL_Fox
A realistic option i would like to see happen. Re Johnson and Hagel really intriguing prospects. Do you foresee Penn State forward, Barrett, as a more skill version of Burrish? |
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Theo Fox
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A realistic option i would like to see happen. Re Johnson and Hagel really intriguing prospects. Do you foresee Penn State forward, Barrett, as a more skill version of Burrish? - jhawk59
Hagel really worked on his defense in his last year (maybe 2 years?) at Red Deer. Couple that with his offensive skills and an innate ability to always be around the puck due to his relentless forechecking, then he could be a solid option as a 3rd line winger and capacity to play 2nd line if needed.
Wise may project to be similar. This year as a sophomore at BU, he just needs to stay healthy and turn in a solid season to start shedding an "injury prone" moniker so early in his trajectory.
I personally never viewed Burish as that talented besides being a loud-mouth agitator, so it doesn't take much for many of the forward prospects to be more skilled in comparison.
A better comparable for Barratt could be Shaw as an all-terrain forward who can play any line effectively. Like Shaw, Barratt plays with a flair and an edge.
Besides Entwistle and Kurashev, two other new Hog forwards to keep an eye on are Soderlund and Hakkarainen. Although they registered a few AHL games this spring, R Johnson and Hagel are worth keeping tabs on as well. |
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just69sayin
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The other kid - Hagel teamatte who is a center - add him to mix. Those two and Entwhustle will develop and you win with them. They are too good just as checkers and fit more as a thitd line type. Hagel may be a second line option as he can skate and shoot plus has generated points. Barrett sounds like he should be a skill version of Burrish. I just don't know exactly how good is his skill set.
So you win with them.As bottom line guys. Nilsson would be solid and is a chippy style. Luke Johnson is a poor man's offensive contributor whom route to keeping an NHL job is his defensive play. Good compete and he needs to carve out or really impress because he is now or soon in a numbers game.
We really need one, preferably two power forward or resembling that ON TOP TWO LINES - PREFERABLY ONE EACH LINE - BECAUSE WE WILL BE MUCH BETTER OFF ON BOTTOM TWO LINES THAN EVER IMAGINED AS THE AFOREMENTIONED KIDS DEVELOP.
The dilemna at #3 is about how and when you add pieces to the lineup which quite frankly could be debated and a solid arguement made whatever route is choosen. 1). If you need to place greater emphasis on making playoffs then you could trade down and land at #5 or the first Islanders pick. You do this to gain a Hickey or someone from LA - don't think they would part with Martinez. You can go after a forward perhaps with a bit of luck a power forward could still be on board. Broberg offers the skating and.skill you see in D Keith. You think now is the time to move Keith if you are ever going to get value for him. He may not agree to a trade and or Bowman may be afraid to move him as Bowman wants to be even last seed in playoffs.
Corresponding move could be the overwhelming desire to add a sure fire goaltending prospect if available this is a conditional trade. I have mixed view whether to trade Gus - i probably would not. Hope Gravel and Laakinen prove good enough in long term
Your second option with #3 is to draft a special dman or the best of the forwards. If a dman then you are passing on maybe best opportunity to select a power forward or forward most resembling with a really early pick. When and where are you going to gain a dire team need? The draft....right.....but will we draft this early and have as many good forwards to choose among?
I really am unafraid to take Bynam no matter should he become a first or second pair. I suppose i would try to extrapolate just how good a Cozens could be. Probably need his style more than a Turcotte. If Dach skated better i would take him. Caufield will be great for someone but we have his type in DeBrincat and our needs preclude his selection
Loving prospects i hate to trade down. Don't know your choice but final call i hope Cozens instead of Bynam is best call. - jhawk59
Disagree...I'm sure they are taking Bowen Byram... no doubt about it anymore in my mind. If anyone wants to wager on it send me a PM...we got so lucky getting this pick! |
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KingsFan67
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Location: Orange County, CA Joined: 03.31.2011
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Kings in a similar position at 5. There really isn't much advantage to be 3 or 7 in this draft. |
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wiz1901
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Location: DraftSite com, IL Joined: 05.14.2008
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Dach and Zegras are sleepers in that spot. Cozens hockey sense doesn't fit their profile. - Elbows15
I totally disagree with evaluation- cozens is aware all over the sheet smart positionally and the real critique is whether he can be a first line elite pivot at that size since he looks so Wheeler-like attacking from wall in but he gets tovand could player the “bumper” position on the pp even though he was used extensively as a moving point man on the pp.
Obama scratching my head on this opinion-
Over & over everyone raves about Zegras’ Instinctive offensive is in diagnosing and passing the puck and Dach is mightily sneaky at reaching and setting his linemates up I will agree but just b abuse Cozens in the Ieremy Roebuck style, is a shooter doesn’t mean he lacks recognition in the attack zone in my views. |
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wiz1901
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Location: DraftSite com, IL Joined: 05.14.2008
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Kings in a similar position at 5. There really isn't much advantage to be 3 or 7 in this draft. - KingsFan67
Except at three you get your guy, at 4 you get your chance that the guy you want is gone, at five, another really good option goes away and then at five the chances you get a lesser lite and you hope your new Gabe Vilardi can improve his feet while the Elias Pettersson drafted above is there quicker with more told and less wait.
You can’t think the grouping is REALLY as close as the sport reporters say, the best guys will go on the proper order as the gms sort and finish evals |
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jhawk59
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Kings in a similar position at 5. There really isn't much advantage to be 3 or 7 in this draft. - KingsFan67
Disagree. You are correct insofar as they will draft a difference maker given their personnel. But if Byram then future likely him and Doughty on ice close to 50% of team TOI/defense. Martinez makes three strong top three for modern NHL. Kings still need speed on wings and an offensive center. Take your choice but i would guess Zegras as center and any of the wing although Dach not as fast. I might go for someone other than Caufield as he needs someone to set him up. |
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SC116
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O'Reilly has at least one cracked rib if not more. Been playing with broken ribs for most of the playoffs as it happened early. - Jason Millen
That is a tough deal for sure - it impacts breathing - like playing and feeling like you have the wind knocked out of you and are trying to recover - not to mention it is a ..... to get any sleep on.
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walleyeb1
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Location: Petersburg, IL Joined: 09.25.2014
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TRADE:
To Philadelphia #Flyers:
D Matt Niskanen
To Washington #Capitals:
D Radko Gudas
Update: PHI retains 30% of Gudas contract |
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z1990z
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Location: NW USA Joined: 02.09.2012
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TRADE:
To Philadelphia #Flyers:
D Matt Niskanen
To Washington #Capitals:
D Radko Gudas - walleyeb1
To Florida: Duncan Keith
To Chicago:
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walleyeb1
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Location: Petersburg, IL Joined: 09.25.2014
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To Florida: Duncan Keith
To Chicago:
- z1990z
Rather it’d be Brent Seabrook. |
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