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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 14 @ 3:44 PM ET
The odds of Joe P signing here are slim and none, the odds of him signing here for under market value are zero IMO
- Stripes77


Totally agree
But he’s another Center to hit the market with Duchene, Hayes, etc

That opens up a player to us who could’ve potentially gone somewhere else
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 14 @ 3:46 PM ET
Totally agree
But he’s another Center to hit the market with Duchene, Hayes, etc

That opens up a player to us who could’ve potentially gone somewhere else

- jdfitz77



That's a good point
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jun 14 @ 3:50 PM ET
This Asssssssspplend better be a superstar, this was worse than the Ror trade
- washedup20



Not even close. Kulikov sucked but so does pysek
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 14 @ 3:52 PM ET
That's a good point
- Stripes77


I like the idea of going after a Vegas guy
My hope would be William Karlsson
With Cody Glass coming (2107 top5 pick),
i wonder if they think paying Karlsson long term is the way they wanna build?

Especially if they’re gonna take another run at EK65?

Even without that though,
they still need to dump Cap

I really like the idea of us targeting these Cap strapped teams to get a discount on players that can help us now- and moving forward
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jun 14 @ 3:52 PM ET
It's tradition. He went to the Pen's parade after he was hired here, right?
- PrinceChill

He's the greatest GM in Blues history. Revered in that city. Should be leaving Las Vegas with GM of the Year hardware.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jun 14 @ 3:59 PM ET
Sure is.

The Tampa fan that posted that needs to have their head examined.

- dadeadhead



Why? Point had 92 points in 79 games.

Drove offense like a (frank)ing machine

And is 23 years old.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 14 @ 3:59 PM ET
I like the idea of going after a Vegas guy
My hope would be William Karlsson
With Cody Glass coming (2107 top5 pick),
i wonder if they think paying Karlsson long term is the way they wanna build?

Especially if they’re gonna take another run at EK65?

Even without that though,
they still need to dump Cap

I really like the idea of us targeting these Cap strapped teams to get a discount on players that can help us now- and moving forward

- jdfitz77



I'd love Karlsson and Miller from Vegas even taking a cap dump (Reaves?) they don't really have bad players on terrible contracts.

What would it cost though?
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jun 14 @ 4:02 PM ET
Nashville fleeced Tampa, Ingram had solid AHL numbers. Although word is the player and organization had quite a rift after the deadline.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 14 @ 4:04 PM ET
I'd love Karlsson and Miller from Vegas even taking a cap dump (Reaves?) they don't really have bad players on terrible contracts.

What would it cost though?

- Stripes77


Tough to say
Getting Karlsson & Miller would be pricy i think,
even if we take a Cap dump
I think 1 of them plus a dump could be had for a Skinner-like deal though

Why has Miller kept coming up btw?
Is Vegas rumored to be shopping him?
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jun 14 @ 4:09 PM ET
How much would we have to add to trade Skinner for Eberle?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 14 @ 4:13 PM ET
I'd love Karlsson and Miller from Vegas even taking a cap dump (Reaves?) they don't really have bad players on terrible contracts.

What would it cost though?

- Stripes77


Even though he’s on IR,
we could take Clarkson off their hands too
That alleviates some Cap for them too

The way IR was explained to me (idk if this is 100% accurate)...

Clarkson has 1year left at 5.25mil

But say Vegas has only 2mil in Cap room,
so they need to put Clarkson on LTIR
That allows them to go over the Cap by 3.25mil
But... that 3.25mil will hit them next year
So
us taking him off their hands is still a nice benefit since they’re likely to be right up against the Cap this year

Idk that it’s exactly like that?
But i think the rules are something similar
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 14 @ 4:14 PM ET
How much would we have to add to trade Skinner for Eberle?
- RhinoFan


Huh???
Even at the bigger Cap Hit...
Skinner >>>>>>> Eberle

They would have to add, not us
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jun 14 @ 4:18 PM ET
Nashville fleeced Tampa, Ingram had solid AHL numbers. Although word is the player and organization had quite a rift after the deadline.
- Sabresfan-365

What's all this?

JUNE 14: Nashville Predators acquire goalie Connor Ingram from Tampa Bay Lightning for seventh-round pick in 2021 NHL Draft.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 14 @ 4:18 PM ET
How much would we have to add to trade Skinner for Eberle?
- RhinoFan

Gerbe
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 14 @ 4:18 PM ET
Why? Point had 92 points in 79 games.

Drove offense like a (frank)ing machine

And is 23 years old.

- Sabresfan-365


Mitts for Point + Cally
Factor in that they get like 13mil in Cap Space
Gives them room to go after EK65

Gotta think it’s doubtful they trade Point...
But if they’re really high on Cirelli like Homie has said,
then Stamkos, Cirelli, Mitts as their centers (let’s Mitts grow into 2C with plenty of talent around him & sheltered matchups)
Plus they get to add a piece to their defense which they desperately need

I don’t think they’d do it,
but it’s an option they’d have to at least consider
Especially bc they need to make moves with their defense- even if it’s not EK65 they bring in
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 14 @ 4:29 PM ET
Nashville fleeced Tampa, Ingram had solid AHL numbers. Although word is the player and organization had quite a rift after the deadline.
- Sabresfan-365


Right?
I thought he got demoted bc of some kind of disagreement with his coach,
not bc of his play

And they only got a 7th in 2021?
I’d have easily given one of our 6ths this year for him

Can never have too much up & coming goalie talent imo

Even if he doesn’t work out,
Nashville got him for free basically
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 14 @ 4:31 PM ET
What's all this?

JUNE 14: Nashville Predators acquire goalie Connor Ingram from Tampa Bay Lightning for seventh-round pick in 2021 NHL Draft.

- jochfr


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OneKaneOneCup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.21.2013

Jun 14 @ 4:36 PM ET
Why? Point had 92 points in 79 games.

Drove offense like a (frank)ing machine

And is 23 years old.

- Sabresfan-365

Dude the only way to truly evaluate a player is if they are on a mediocre team.

If they’re on a great team, they’re production is minimized.

If they’re on a bad team, it’s excused.

Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jun 14 @ 4:38 PM ET
Dude the only way to truly evaluate a player is if they are on a mediocre team.

If they’re on a great team, they’re production is minimized.

If they’re on a bad team, it’s excused.

- OneKaneOneCup




sample size: only collect data from 9th place teams
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jun 14 @ 4:39 PM ET
Right?
I thought he got demoted bc of some kind of disagreement with his coach,
not bc of his play

And they only got a 7th in 2021?
I’d have easily given one of our 6ths this year for him

Can never have too much up & coming goalie talent imo

Even if he doesn’t work out,
Nashville got him for free basically

- jdfitz77


word on the street (read as forum) is he was supposed to be part of a larger trade that never materialized, and ever since then he's gotten the run around and bounced between ECHL and AHL. Maybe it was his coach, or maybe the GM.

I dont know but yeah his play definitely didn't warrant the demotion and I doubt it would have served his development.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 14 @ 4:42 PM ET
Dude the only way to truly evaluate a player is if they are on a mediocre team.

If they’re on a great team, they’re production is minimized.

If they’re on a bad team, it’s excused.

- OneKaneOneCup


You seriously think he'd produce like that on a mediocre team?

The Lightning scored 36 more goals than the next closest team and 75! more than the average.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 14 @ 4:43 PM ET
sample size: only collect data from 9th place teams
- Sabresfan-365


No one is saying that, but it has to be a pretty hefty part of the analysis.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 14 @ 4:45 PM ET
Holy S, Botts was invited to be in the parade in St. Louis? Huge if true.
- Hatboro_Swords


Terry and Kim are going in his place.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 14 @ 4:47 PM ET
word on the street (read as forum) is he was supposed to be part of a larger trade that never materialized, and ever since then he's gotten the run around and bounced between ECHL and AHL. Maybe it was his coach, or maybe the GM.

I dont know but yeah his play definitely didn't warrant the demotion and I doubt it would have served his development.

- Sabresfan-365


Who knows if he’ll even turn into anything?
But for that price Nashville might as well take a shot
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 14 @ 4:50 PM ET
Just because:

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