The good news with the fractured opinion of Risto on this page is hopefully the same split resides in the GM ranks across the league.

Maybe Botts can get a young, cost controlled Top 6 player

Jack Eichel and Drew Stafford are both offensive players
- OneKaneOneCup

One is a playmaker and one is a power forward.

Risto is an offensive defenseman/PP specialist, and McCabe is a PK defenseman.

The good news with the fractured opinion of Risto on this page is hopefully the same split resides in the GM ranks across the league.

Maybe Botts can get a young, cost controlled Top 6 player
- IonSabres

Hopefully

I hope JB is smart enough to clear his cap

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- homiedclown

So you’re saying it turned into a Bloody Caesar?

One is a playmaker and one is a power forward.

Risto is an offensive defenseman/PP specialist, and McCabe is a PK defenseman.
- jcragcrumple

One is great at what he does, the other is replacement level. (Eichel, Stafford) same as Karlsson/Risto

Give McCabe 26 minutes a night (don’t) and he’s closer to 45 points than Ristolainen will ever be 65-70

Hell, McCabe scores the same amount of 5 on 5 goals and primary assists in hundreds less minutes

I’m not even sure Ristolainen is above average on offense

One is great at what he does, the other is replacement level. (Eichel, Stafford) same as Karlsson/Risto

Give McCabe 26 minutes a night (don’t) and he’s closer to 45 points than Ristolainen will ever be 65-70

Hell, McCabe scores the same amount of 5 on 5 goals and primary assists in hundreds less minutes

I’m not even sure Ristolainen is above average on offense
- OneKaneOneCup

I can't do the "Jake McCabe is as good as Risto with less ice time" argument. Chimera is a poor man's Eichel

Trading Borden is going to be a mistake.
- dadeadhead

give them mccabe then

mccabe, pick 31 and nylander

So you’re saying it turned into a Bloody Caesar?
- dadeadhead

interesting

interesting
- homiedclown

Sign Dion move Bogo same player with Dion being cheaper.

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- homiedclown

Happy Sunday!

I can't do the "Jake McCabe is as good as Risto with less ice time" argument. Chimera is a poor man's Eichel
- jcragcrumple

Oh he’s as good everywhere except the PP.

From 2016-2019

Points per 60

Ristolainen.71
McCabe .68

Goals/60

Risto - .14
McCabe .11

Primary assists

McCabe - .30
Ristolainen- .24

There’s a very small difference outside of the PP

interesting
- homiedclown

Or it’s a bloody mess

Oh he’s as good everywhere except the PP.


- OneKaneOneCup

define good

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I think Risto's real value is that (unlike guys like McCabe and Bogo) he is a dependable minutes eater and a warrior. I feel bad wanting him to be the piece that we use to get more scoring but it just makes too much sense. Several teams will see the allure of a big, strong, fast, rugged D and think that they can make him into something he isn't (as Murray did with Bogo).

define good

asking for my eye doctor
- homiedclown

He needs trifocals

Oh he’s as good everywhere except the PP.

From 2016-2019

Points per 60

Ristolainen.71
McCabe .68

Goals/60

Risto - .14
McCabe .11

Primary assists

McCabe - .30
Ristolainen- .24

There’s a very small difference outside of the PP
- OneKaneOneCup

5 on 5 ice time with Jack Eichel during that time span

30% of Jake McCabe’s ice time came with Eichel - 827 minutes out of approximately 2700

32% of Ristolainen’s ice time came with Eichel - 1162 minutes out of 3543 minutes

define good

asking for my eye doctor
- homiedclown

If you’re an “offensive defensemen” your rate stats should kill Jake McCabe’s

Oh he’s as good everywhere except the PP.

From 2016-2019

Points per 60

Ristolainen.71
McCabe .68

Goals/60

Risto - .14
McCabe .11

Primary assists

McCabe - .30
Ristolainen- .24

There’s a very small difference outside of the PP
- OneKaneOneCup

P/60 does not scale evenly with increased ice time.

And I know the view of some on this board is that you can put skates on Air Bud and he'll get 25 points on the power play, but that's not true. PP is a skill, and Risto is really good at it. And his chemistry with Eichel on the PP is undeniable

5 on 5 ice time with Jack Eichel during that time span

30% of Jake McCabe’s ice time came with Eichel - 827 minutes out of approximately 2700

32% of Ristolainen’s ice time came with Eichel - 1162 minutes out of 3543 minutes
- OneKaneOneCup

The Bruins doubled the Blues in SOG in Game 7 and doubled them in shot attempts. The Blues scored more goals then the other team though.

Stats don’t lie, but they don’t tell the whole story either. Risto has his flaws, however RHD are hard to come by. I think everyone can agree he is overpaid, but he’s a #4 d-man that has been utilized as a #1 on some of the worst hockey teams of all time.

He is 24 and I don’t think he’s a finished product no matter how many games he’s already played in his career. If we trade him we better get a top 6 stud Winger or C back in return and have a plan to replace his minutes.

P/60 does not scale evenly with increased ice time.

And I know the view of some on this board is that you can put skates on Air Bud and he'll get 25 points on the power play, but that's not true. PP is a skill, and Risto is really good at it. And his chemistry with Eichel on the PP is undeniable
- jcragcrumple

Why? We’re talking about a 3 year sample of thousands of minutes

It’s as even a playing field as it can get, and Ristolainen doesn’t separate himself from D men who most everyone would consider average offensively

The Bruins doubled the Blues in SOG in Game 7 and doubled them in shot attempts. The Blues scored more goals then the other team though.

Stats don’t lie, but they don’t tell the whole story either. Risto has his flaws, however RHD are hard to come by. I think everyone can agree he is overpaid, but he’s a #4 d-man that has been utilized as a #1 on some of the worst hockey teams of all time.

He is 24 and I don’t think he’s a finished product no matter how many games he’s already played in his career. If we trade him we better get a top 6 stud Winger or C back in return and have a plan to replace his minutes.
- Pegullaville

This isn’t meant as a shot at you so please don’t take it that way

But this same exact post has been said by hundreds of people for three straight years and Ristolainen hasn’t improved and the team has sucked.

I don’t care who replaces him as long as they are not the Vladimir Sobotka of D men

Why? We’re talking about a 3 year sample of thousands of minutes

It’s as even a playing field as it can get, and Ristolainen doesn’t separate himself from D men who most everyone would consider average offensively
- OneKaneOneCup

Because the extra minutes are taxing, and he'd be playing against top competition.

If you think Jake McCabe could score 45 points a year, God bless you. I think it's analytics run amok

This isn’t meant as a shot at you so please don’t take it that way

But this same exact post has been said by hundreds of people for three straight years and Ristolainen hasn’t improved and the team has sucked.

I don’t care who replaces him as long as they are not the Vladimir Sobotka of D men
- OneKaneOneCup

I blame the last 2 seasons on having a coach that had no f@cking clue what he was doing behind the bench

If you think Jake McCabe could score 45 points a year, God bless you. I think it's analytics run amok
- jcragcrumple

he could on an uptempo north south team that could roll 3 lines if given second team pp time


we are not that kind of team

the gm says he wants to be that team

but adds scandella, sobotka, and scott wilson

This isn’t meant as a shot at you so please don’t take it that way

But this same exact post has been said by hundreds of people for three straight years and Ristolainen hasn’t improved and the team has sucked.

I don’t care who replaces him as long as they are not the Vladimir Sobotka of D men
- OneKaneOneCup

I understand that completely, it’s just hard to give up on a defensemen under the age of 25. I mean we can sit here a few years from now and say darn it we should have moved him. Or we could be sitting here like the Minnesota Wild and saying “we traded away Brent burns” or the Isles/Sens that missed out on Chara’s prime. Heck even a guy like Jared Spurgeon this year is putting up numbers better then he has previously and he is 29.

Apart from Trouba who else is on the market though in terms of RHD ? Would we move Dahlin to the right side and make him play his off side ? The return we would get for moving Risto would have to be a no brainer in order to move him.