No one is saying that, but it has to be a pretty hefty part of the analysis.
- Wetbandit1

That's why we have relative stats, and his are very good.

Just because:


- Wetbandit1

❤️❤️❤️

You seriously think he'd produce like that on a mediocre team?

The Lightning scored 36 more goals than the next closest team and 75! more than the average.
- Wetbandit1

It was more a statement on how that’s always the case.

If player A is on a great team it’s always used to minimize how good he really is

If a player is on a bad team that’s always the excuse

And I myself do it all the time

That's why we have relative stats, and his are very good.
- Sabresfan-365

Are they really relative though? He still starts with a massive advantage.

Who knows if he’ll even turn into anything?
But for that price Nashville might as well take a shot
- jdfitz77

He played in Orlando last season in the ECHL

Nothing to write home about

Had a decent run

Are they really relative though? He still starts with a massive advantage.
- Wetbandit1

I mean...yes? lol

Most of his rel stats exceed whatever tampa's average is, and point to him being a driver than passenger.

https://hockeyviz.com/player/pointbr96/T.B/1819

This is a pretty good look at the impact. Tampa gets shelled a bit defensively relative to their average when he's on but he really brings the offense.

I mean...yes? lol

Most of his rel stats exceed whatever tampa's average is, and point to him being a driver than passenger.

https://hockeyviz.com/player/pointbr96/T.B/1819

This is a pretty good look at the impact. Tampa gets shelled a bit defensively relative to their average when he's on but he really brings the offense.
- Sabresfan-365

I can’t believe that team hasn’t won a cup recently

I can’t believe that team hasn’t won a cup recently
- OneKaneOneCup

i can't believe they lost four straight to columbus.


Im prepared to wear the tinfoil hat and scream match fixing, at least make some sense of it.

That's why we have relative stats, and his are very good.
- Sabresfan-365

7 OA for Point and Callahan!

7 OA for Point and Callahan!
- ImThatGuy

Not nearly enough

7 OA for Point and Callahan!
- ImThatGuy

Botts counters with 7OA for just Callahan.

Yeah, here's what I think. While it's unlikely any of us has a clue about what's inside Darcy's head, and things like the salary cap, NTCs/NMCs, and the declining economy's impact on future revenues make it nearly impossible to trade anyone of any significance, it's not inconceivable that the Sabres could make a mid-season move.

Vanek, Roy, Miller, Pommer are probably not on the block since they represent the young core of this team and are all locked up long-term. We all know Vanek's contract is insane, but given the length and amount of the others, it seems unlikely to me there's a better deal out there. Remember Larry Quinn is a numbers guy, and 5 mil 6 years from now will be looking pretty good. Roy's deal is an especially favorable one for the club. You might even be able to throw Goose into this category b/c his value to the Sabres is high given his hustle and toughness.

Max, Kotalik, and Connolly are popular choices for a change of venue, but their UFA status would mean they'd need to go to a contender for the receiving team to be willing to assume the risk. That said, what's the likelihood of a contender sending the Sabres something worthy of a blockbuster? That's not even taking into account Max sucking for the last 2 years, Kotalik getting a reputation of being lazy, and (Tin) Connolly being more fragile than the leg lamp in A Christmas Story. This, coming from the guy who actually owns a Connolly jersey.

As far as young talent at forward goes, Stafford, MacArthur, Paille are the only roster players in that category. They're all tradable, but not enough to bring in an impact player. To me, the Sabres would need to include one of Mancari, Gerbe, or Kennedy to get another team interested. Possible, though Gerbe seems like he's got a future here.

Lastly, if they're really trying to fix the recent injury problem at defense, they're not going to trade any defensemen. Even still, it's more likely they'll do what they did last year and bring in a veteran like Nolan Pratt to temporarily fill the gap until Weber and Sekera are healthy again (a few weeks?). I haven't looked to see who like that is available, but they found someone last year and could probably do it again.

We Sabres fans have gotten used to the fact that Darcy rarely makes any moves. In fact, who really does anymore? I'd love to be wrong, but not at the expense of 26 / 9 / 30 / 29. You can have Peters. Twice.

7 OA for Point and Callahan!
- ImThatGuy

7, Risto and Samuelsson for Point, Callahan and Foote would be closer imo. Still probably not enough. Any deal for point is going to include Mittelstadt

I mean...yes? lol

Most of his rel stats exceed whatever tampa's average is, and point to him being a driver than passenger.

https://hockeyviz.com/player/pointbr96/T.B/1819

This is a pretty good look at the impact. Tampa gets shelled a bit defensively relative to their average when he's on but he really brings the offense.
- Sabresfan-365

I guess my point was why he brings the offense. Some people act like Point hit a home run, when in reality he started on at least 2nd base. As opposed to, say, Eichel, who had to scratch and claw for every chance because the other team only has to focus on him.

When a team has to worry about and gameplan for Kucherov and Stamkos and their top pairing is almost always out there against them, it's easier for point to thrive. it also makes sense that the defense is a bit lacking, because the other team would likely put their top scoring line out against Tampa's second.

I'm just a bit leery of what he is on an average team that scores almost a goal less a game. Especially if he's the top option.

I guess my point was why he brings the offense. Some people act like Point hit a home run, when in reality he started on at least 2nd base. As opposed to, say, Eichel, who had to scratch and claw for every chance because the other team only has to focus on him.

When a team has to worry about and gameplan for Kucherov and Stamkos and their top pairing is almost always out there against them, it's easier for point to thrive. it also makes sense that the defense is a bit lacking, because the other team would likely put their top scoring line out against Tampa's second.

I'm just a bit leery of what he is on an average team that scores almost a goal less a game. Especially if he's the top option.
- Wetbandit1

My counter to this would be who cares what he is on an average team? If the goal is to be great, then him being great on a great team is....great?

If he was subpar offensively on a stacked team then there would be cause for concern. But on the miracle that the sabres acquire him and he becomes a 1a/1b with Eichel, I bet he'd be able to keep it going, especially if he got one of Reinhart/Skinner on his wing.

7 OA for Point and Callahan!
- ImThatGuy

Risto, Mitts and Samuelsson for Point, Foote and Callahan?

Risto, Mitts and Samuelsson for Point, Foote and Callahan?
- jcragcrumple

I think the closest one to succeeding is the original. And I could see why some fans wouldn't want to do it, but it's certainly not "concussion level" or whatever DD called it.

I think the closest one to succeeding is the original. And I could see why some fans wouldn't want to do it, but it's certainly not "concussion level" or whatever DD called it.
- Sabresfan-365

As in the one the lightning fan posted?

As in the one the lightning fan posted?
- jcragcrumple

Yeah, Its a lot of deadweight to take back, but Point was a top 10 player this year by eye, advanced, litmus and finger test.

He'd be the best player in that deal for the next decade-ish.

Yeah, Its a lot of deadweight to take back, but Point was a top 10 player this year by eye, advanced, litmus and finger test.

He'd be the best player in that deal for the next decade-ish.
- Sabresfan-365

Palat would be a non-starter for me. Look elsewhere

Palat would be a non-starter for me. Look elsewhere
- jcragcrumple

I don't know that you can walk away from a deal for a guy that good just cause of palat. you'd certainly have to shed salary elsewhere in the roster, but it's worth it.

It's astonishing how far Botterill set this organization back. At least 20 years.
- Hatboro_Swords

Stop!

I don't know that you can walk away from a deal for a guy that good just cause of palat. you'd certainly have to shed salary elsewhere in the roster, but it's worth it.
- Sabresfan-365

The original proposal:

"Point, Callahan, and Palat

TBL gets: 7OA, Mits, and 2020 1st."

Either swap, 7 with 31, or swap Palat with Gourde

tampa is not trading point

cally will get dealt at the draft


they may have to move one guy up front, miller, johnson, palat


it's next off season tampa will have issues