PP is a skill, and Risto is really good at it. And his chemistry with Eichel on the PP is undeniable
- jcragcrumple

You do realize that he was demoted to the second PP and that even when he was on the first PP he could not have been the furthest thing from a pp qb. The guy piles up secondary assists.

Because the extra minutes are taxing, and he'd be playing against top competition.

If you think Jake McCabe could score 45 points a year, God bless you. I think it's analytics run amok
- jcragcrumple

I never said he could. I said he’d get much closer to the 45 points that Ristolainen gets playing 26 minutes a night than Risto would 60-70 by just getting a higher % of Ozone starts.

And the numbers bear that out

trust the process


risto is going nowhere


next......................

trust the process


risto is going nowhere


next......................
- homiedclown

And that’s a giant mistake

he could on an uptempo north south team that could roll 3 lines if given second team pp time


we are not that kind of team

the gm says he wants to be that team

but adds scandella, sobotka, and scott wilson
- homiedclown

Would we rather be paying Ennis’ buyout cash for a few more years or one more year of Scandella ?

Botts is playing the long game, whether or not it works out remains to be seen but how many other teams can say in one year that they will have corner stones at Centre and defense and cap flexibility ?

trust the process


risto is going nowhere


next......................
- homiedclown

There are no rumors out there about Risto so maybe Botts doesn't move him unless a team blows him away with an offer.

I never said he could. I said he’d get much closer to the 45 points that Ristolainen gets playing 26 minutes a night than Risto would 60-70 by just getting a higher % of Ozone starts.

And the numbers bear that out
- OneKaneOneCup

Your interpretation of the data and the projection based on perfectly scalable numbers bears that out. I don't think any of that is scalable because it ignores too many variables that would be affected

And that’s a giant mistake
- OneKaneOneCup

He's timid. A certain trade blew up on him and now he's prepared to move no one. He's going to patch work this team into a 8th-10th place run and everyone will eat it up like he's GM of the year.

Would we rather be paying Ennis’ buyout cash for a few more years or one more year of Scandella ?

Botts is playing the long game, whether or not it works out remains to be seen but how many other teams can say in one year that they will have corner stones at Centre and defense and cap flexibility ?
- Pegullaville

I would never play a long term game with Kim and Terry over my shoulder

just saying

Your interpretation of the data and the projection based on perfectly scalable numbers bears that out. I don't think any of that is scalable because it ignores too many variables that would be affected
- jcragcrumple

Jake McCabe is a career .22 PPG player who never plays the PP

Ristolainen is a .45 PPG player who receives top 10 league wide PP time.

I don’t see how any logical answer can have Ristolainen’s numbers jumping to .75-.85 PPG while getting decreased ice time and PP time, as a greater chance of happening than McCabe becoming a .45 PPG player by simply adding those offensive opportunities he never gets.

It makes 0 sense

He's timid. A certain trade blew up on him and now he's prepared to move no one. He's going to patch work this team into a 8th-10th place run and everyone will eat it up like he's GM of the year.
- Sabresfan-365

I’m not going to make that judgement until these things actually happen.

I remember when we were convinced ROR was staying at 8pm the night he was moved

I’m not going to make that judgement until these things actually happen.

I remember when we were convinced ROR was staying at 8pm the night he was moved
- OneKaneOneCup

There was smoke with the ROR trade though. I didn't buy it at the time but it was everywhere.

This one's more like all of us saying he needs to go and the hockey media saying "yeah I think there was a call once in February"

Jake McCabe is a career .22 PPG player who never plays the PP

Ristolainen is a .45 PPG player who receives top 10 league wide PP time.

I don’t see how any logical answer can have Ristolainen’s numbers jumping to .75-.85 PPG while getting decreased ice time and PP time, as a greater chance of happening than McCabe becoming a .45 PPG player by simply adding those offensive opportunities he never gets.

It makes 0 sense
- OneKaneOneCup

Because he's good at it and McCabe isn't.

They're different players. This is why people don't trust analytics in a vacuum

trust the process


risto is going nowhere


next......................
- homiedclown

I get the probability he stays as a reclamation project for Ralphue-boy and Smith, in a system that is hopefully more friendly to him defensively.

To me, it stinks of trying to fix EJ Manuel, and letting A Nylander develop and mature.

In the meantime, their perceived value around the league continues to drop like a rock.

I get their desire to maximize their investment, I however see this going the wrong way.

Because he's good at it and McCabe isn't.

They're different players. This is why people don't trust analytics in a vacuum
- jcragcrumple

Yes, and the difference between a good PP D man, and a bad one, is very small.

It’s exactly why the good PP’s, and bad ones, can be a difference of a few %.

That’s why they are so close 5 on 5. Because both are actually similar skill sets

One was just picked 8th

he could on an uptempo north south team that could roll 3 lines if given second team pp time


we are not that kind of team

the gm says he wants to be that team

but adds scandella, sobotka, and scott wilson
- homiedclown

I like McCabe, but I just can't see McCabe ever getting 40 points. He would have to be on the top pair with PP1 time to even get close, which is suicide for a team

I like McCabe, but I just can't see McCabe ever getting 40 points. He would have to be on the top pair with PP1 time to even get close, which is suicide for a team
- jcragcrumple

Broheim, this is what I’m saying. It’s been suicide with Ristolainen

It diminishes the value of his point totals

Yes, and the difference between a good PP D man, and a bad one, is very small.

It’s exactly why the good PP’s, and bad ones, can be a difference of a few %.

That’s why they are so close 5 on 5. Because both are actually similar skill sets

One was just picked 8th
- OneKaneOneCup

Ok, you win. McCabe is just as good as Risto offensively

Because the extra minutes are taxing, and he'd be playing against top competition.

If you think Jake McCabe could score 45 points a year, God bless you. I think it's analytics run amok
- jcragcrumple

I disagree with almost everything you're saying about risto.

But this is true. More time doesnt equal more points.

Analytic wonder boy Goc would still be in the league.

Points per 60 is the 2nd dumbest stat, right behind corsi, the plus minus of shots.

I like McCabe, but I just can't see McCabe ever getting 40 points. He would have to be on the top pair with PP1 time to even get close, which is suicide for a team
- jcragcrumple

Isn't that THE definition of Risto

Isn't that THE definition of Risto
- IonSabres

I think we all agree Risto belongs nowhere near the top pair. But on a good team on the 2nd pair with 60% ozone starts and PP1 time, he could absolutely put up 50 points.

You can throw numbers around all day, but McCabe will never touch that

Isn't that THE definition of Risto
- IonSabres

Yes

Jake a 40 point player ? In what world NHL 20

Jake a 40 point player ? In what world NHL 20
- gerbe75pts

In a world where he’s in an absolutely outclassed role.

Like 55 is now

I disagree with almost everything you're saying about risto.

But this is true. More time doesnt equal more points.

Analytic wonder boy Goc would still be in the league.

Points per 60 is the 2nd dumbest stat, right behind corsi, the plus minus of shots.
- Mentalorgasm5

How can a measurement of something be “dumb”

What you take from it is what can be considered dumb.

I hope you aren’t mistaking me for saying McCabe is any kind of good. He isn’t
But Ristolainen is a below average player