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THE EVIL WITHIN
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Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jun 15 @ 6:51 PM ET
Watch the Sixers turn around and trade Simmons for Ball and Ingram.
- hereticpride

And Phillies, Harper for A Rod
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 15 @ 6:51 PM ET
I dont know a lot about basketball but this was the deal


The New Orleans Pelicans have agreed to a deal to trade Anthony Davis to the Los Angeles Lakers for Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, and three first-round picks -- including the No. 4 overall in 2019 Draft, league sources tell ESPN.

- opeth_pa

what a poop trade for the lakers

at least they dumbed that trash in Ball
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 15 @ 6:53 PM ET
panarin
- 2Real

better him then Karlsson I guess
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 15 @ 6:53 PM ET
Once again LeBron shows he is a master off the court as much as he is on the court. He went to the Lakers and sowed the seeds of doubt and unrest, resulting in management becoming a laughing stock.

Now he is forming the Lakers in his own image, which includes AD, LeBron, and Kuzma. They are now clear favorites in the West.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Season Ticket Holder
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jun 15 @ 6:53 PM ET
He gave the Flyers what they needed at the time. A minutes eating veteran defenseman who could play a top 4 role. Hextall send him down to make room for Manning. I understand they wanted to give Manning a chance but MacDonald was the superior player.
- MJL

Really? The isle fans still laugh of him, and the stupid deal Snider made. That A Mac female genitalia was drafted last for a reason!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 15 @ 6:56 PM ET
Do you mean it’s the right move for the player, in terms of letting Amac try and get an nhl spot with another team?

Or the best move for the team?

- Marc D

Both.

I think it’s a bad look to handcuff a player’s career. Andrew MacDonald is an NHL player, just not at the cost we gave him.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 15 @ 7:03 PM ET
And Phillies, Harper for A Rod
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Phillies trade Harper for Kimbrel.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 15 @ 7:05 PM ET
Both.

I think it’s a bad look to handcuff a player’s career. Andrew MacDonald is an NHL player, just not at the cost we gave him.

- SuperSchennBros

amac signs with wash and wins the cup
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Jun 15 @ 7:09 PM ET
Gudass signed with wash and wins the cup if he is not getting a lifetime suspension
- 2Real

FIXED
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 15 @ 7:10 PM ET
If we don't sign Hayes who do you think we target? RNH in a trade? That would probably require giving up Ghost

Not sure there's a simple solution for 2C if Hayes doesn't sign
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 15 @ 7:11 PM ET
Both.

I think it’s a bad look to handcuff a player’s career. Andrew MacDonald is an NHL player, just not at the cost we gave him.

- SuperSchennBros

Yup
You hear the players always say “it’s a business” around trading time and buy outs, but that is likely just their public face. Has to be some bad feelings these things generate.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 15 @ 7:14 PM ET
I'm happy to see you are still alive. how's things?
- Doc_Sarcasm

Things are good doc. Working 3p to 1:30a now, 4 on 3 off. Moving to nights by the fall, week on week off. Ready for the warm weather and a good Flyers team again.

Hope you're hanging in there
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 15 @ 7:17 PM ET
what a poop trade for the lakers

at least they dumbed that trash in Ball

- 2Real


Won't look bad after they sign leonard or Kemba Walker. They'll get the cream of the crop of all the MLE players now. Something Sixers really need for depth.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 15 @ 7:24 PM ET
Please enlighten me on where these Archives are if you are so intent on me quoting your constant flip flopping with AMac
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


You're the guy who is claiming that I have made statements. Specifically that MacDonald is "garbage". There is no such statement. Nor is there any flip flopping. I have challenged you numerous times to back up your claims. The responsibility is on you to do so since you're the accuser. You have failed repeatedly to do so. The bottom line is that your claims are complete bullpoop. Be man enough to come at me directly rather than with this childish approach. When I disagree with a statement you make, I don't bring up some fantasy of something you allegedly said in the past or make statements as you did calling me out. I bring it directly to you. Case closed.

On any blog that Bill writes, under his picture there is the word archive. Click on it. You can read any blog that Bill has written and the comments in the thread going back to July of 2006. I'll be waiting.
ZechsMarquise
Boston Bruins
Location: near St. Louis, IL
Joined: 01.22.2016

Jun 15 @ 7:30 PM ET
You're the guy who is claiming that I have made statements. Specifically that MacDonald is "garbage". There is no such statement. Nor is there any flip flopping. I have challenged you numerous times to back up your claims. The responsibility is on you to do so since you're the accuser. You have failed repeatedly to do so. The bottom line is that your claims are complete bullpoop. Be man enough to come at me directly rather than with this childish approach. When I disagree with a statement you make, I don't bring up some fantasy of something you allegedly said in the past or make statements as you did calling me out. I bring it directly to you. Case closed.
- MJL


I’m really proud of you, you know that.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 15 @ 8:04 PM ET
You're the guy who is claiming that I have made statements. Specifically that MacDonald is "garbage". There is no such statement. Nor is there any flip flopping. I have challenged you numerous times to back up your claims. The responsibility is on you to do so since you're the accuser. You have failed repeatedly to do so. The bottom line is that your claims are complete bullpoop. Be man enough to come at me directly rather than with this childish approach. When I disagree with a statement you make, I don't bring up some fantasy of something you allegedly said in the past or make statements as you did calling me out. I bring it directly to you. Case closed.

On any blog that Bill writes, under his picture there is the word archive. Click on it. You can read any blog that Bill has written and the comments in the thread going back to July of 2006. I'll be waiting.

- MJL


Please, everyone on hear knows how you are. You are always in some sort of argument with someone because that's how you get off.
pucks4all
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jun 15 @ 8:08 PM ET
If we don't sign Hayes who do you think we target? RNH in a trade? That would probably require giving up Ghost

Not sure there's a simple solution for 2C if Hayes doesn't sign

- bulet13

I’d rather Draisaitl. I think Edmonton would part with him for the right deal. Ghost for RnH is silly to me.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Jun 15 @ 8:13 PM ET
I'm still holding out for #11 and Hagg for Trouba.

Save Ghost in a package for a forward.

Seems like they may be penciling our 3rd pair as Morin and Myers... I'd like that.

AMac is gone, just don't understand the hate. He was overpaid but that's our fault. Let the guy rest in piece. He'll get picked up by a team as a 3rd pair guy. Earn $2.5 and ride off into sunset. I was quick to criticize him A LOT but I appreciate his service.
pucks4all
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jun 15 @ 8:18 PM ET
I'm still holding out for #11 and Hagg for Trouba.

Save Ghost in a package for a forward.

Seems like they may be penciling our 3rd pair as Morin and Myers... I'd like that.

AMac is gone, just don't understand the hate. He was overpaid but that's our fault. Let the guy rest in piece. He'll get picked up by a team as a 3rd pair guy. Earn $2.5 and ride off into sunset. I was quick to criticize him A LOT but I appreciate his service.

- cdearth23

AMac was serviceable for sure. Silly contract given by Homer though. If I remember right, it was right before the playoffs too. I didn’t understand why they didn’t wait till after the season ended.

I don’t think they should trade Ghost at all. He’s one season removed from 65points. Those kind of number don’t grow on trees for defensemen.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 15 @ 8:23 PM ET
I’d rather Draisaitl. I think Edmonton would part with him for the right deal. Ghost for RnH is silly to me.
- pucks4all


They're not trading Leon lol Chia isn't the GM anymore
pucks4all
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jun 15 @ 8:25 PM ET
They're not trading Leon lol Chia isn't the GM anymore
- bulet13

That’s true
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 15 @ 8:37 PM ET
You're the guy who is claiming that I have made statements. Specifically that MacDonald is "garbage". There is no such statement. Nor is there any flip flopping. I have challenged you numerous times to back up your claims. The responsibility is on you to do so since you're the accuser. You have failed repeatedly to do so. The bottom line is that your claims are complete bullpoop. Be man enough to come at me directly rather than with this childish approach. When I disagree with a statement you make, I don't bring up some fantasy of something you allegedly said in the past or make statements as you did calling me out. I bring it directly to you. Case closed.

On any blog that Bill writes, under his picture there is the word archive. Click on it. You can read any blog that Bill has written and the comments in the thread going back to July of 2006. I'll be waiting.

- MJL


Here is the comment I am talking about:

Provorov is not yet a legitimate #1 NHL defenseman. Sanheim is not yet a legitimate 1st pair NHL defenseman. Myers has played 21 NHL games. He is not yet a legitimate top 4 NHL defenseman. Gudas is not a player who is going to be a top 4 defenseman on a contending team and he is likely not going to be around when the team reaches contending status. Neither is MacDonald. Haag is a 3rd pair NHL defenseman. We'll see what Morin becomes but he is not a given. The Flyers do not have a surplus of young top 4 NHL defenseman that makes a situation where the Flyers can afford to trade one due to having a surplus. That surplus does not exist.

Why would a team with a surplus of top 4 NHL defenseman want to add another one as you state? LOL
-MJL


You have spent years telling us AMac was a Top 4 Dman and defending him. His play hasnt changed since the day he arrived. You dont say he is garbage directly but thats pretty much what you mean. I spent way too much time tracking down this comment. I dont care enough about some stranger on the internet enough to dig deeper. I shouldnt have even cared this much
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 15 @ 8:59 PM ET
I'm still holding out for #11 and Hagg for Trouba.

Save Ghost in a package for a forward.

Seems like they may be penciling our 3rd pair as Morin and Myers... I'd like that.

AMac is gone, just don't understand the hate. He was overpaid but that's our fault. Let the guy rest in piece. He'll get picked up by a team as a 3rd pair guy. Earn $2.5 and ride off into sunset. I was quick to criticize him A LOT but I appreciate his service.

- cdearth23

I have a gut feeling Ghost is going to be moved for a forward. I'll see how I feel about it when I see what the return is.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 15 @ 9:13 PM ET
One thing that is often lost in the shuffle here is that the Flyers have lacked a legitimate top pair D since Pronger and Timmonen ceased to be a thing. No matter who took that top spot in the interim, they were going to be exposed, whether their name was Coburn or MacDonald, or whoever. MacDonald in my opinion was asked frequently over the years to play a role for which he was not well suited.

Provorov will probably (i hope) be a top pair guy, but last season was unquestionably a disappointment after having an excellent season in the previous year. Someone somewhere is going to have to develop into, or arrive via trade/free agency as a top pair caliber D if this team is going to improve.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 15 @ 9:26 PM ET
One thing that is often lost in the shuffle here is that the Flyers have lacked a legitimate top pair D since Pronger and Timmonen ceased to be a thing. No matter who took that top spot in the interim, they were going to be exposed, whether their name was Coburn or MacDonald, or whoever. MacDonald in my opinion was asked frequently over the years to play a role for which he was not well suited.

Provorov will probably (i hope) be a top pair guy, but last season was unquestionably a disappointment after having an excellent season in the previous year. Someone somewhere is going to have to develop into, or arrive via trade/free agency as a top pair caliber D if this team is going to improve.

- Doc_Sarcasm

Idk if there is even a youngish top pair guy out there to trade for. Ekblad maybe?
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