I do as well, my point is more people will see it our way in two years
- Ross77

Probably.

Or, we’ll end up with the scenario where Wheeler continues piling up PP assists through the seasons even as he cliff dives, largely due to the continued improvement of Laine, Ehlers, Vesalainen, and co. Which will naturally cause all the less... informed fans to defend Wheeler to the death anyway, neither noticing or caring that over half his production is on the powerplay, and he’s a drag across the board at 5v5.
*note that this is an example of the future, not the present. Wheeler is not yet bad, but nowhere near elite anymore. He’s just pretty good*

I will be very surprised if Chevy can get a lot for Trouba. As was mentioned in the article, Trouba really has the Jets at his mercy. His agent could screw them over for one or two (and most likely) he will not agree to sign with any team as he wants to hit free agency and have the world his oyster. I am a big Trouba fan and he checks off a lot of boxes for want you want as an all around D-man, including the intangible mean streak, still relatively young year experienced and RH shooter to boot. His arrow is still going up. I like Morrissey slightly more, but after that the blueline looks bleak. Byfuglien is trending down and also may become untradeable soon. Do they over spend on Myers to bring him back? I like Myers (wish the best for him and his family as they have been through a lot) but he is not as consistent as one would like for someone set to make a big pile 💰 of money. Then what? Jets have a bunch of 3rd pairing D left at best.

The only option I agree is to package something with Trona to get a decent return.

Trouba & (Roslovic or Ehlers)

For

Gostisbehere
Hagg
Nic Aube Kubel
1st rd 2019
4th rd 2020 (via Nash)

All 3 Ghost, Hagg & Kubel would make the roster this fall and would be very good additions.

Ghost could play with Morrissey, Hagg with Byfuglien and Kubel would replace the goals lost from Tanev when he leaves. This gives the Jets solid, not spectacular replacements and helps their salary issues. Ghost comes cheap at $4.5 (4 more years) which is a bargain as he will be better next year, Hagg at $1.1 (2 years - RFA) will not put up many points but he is also trending up and will be able to play a lot of minutes and lastly Kubel at $1.1 (RFA) is also a cheap replacement.

The Flyers can afford to sign Trouba to the contract he wants for 7 years and also sign Roslovic as their 2-3C if they feel he is ready, if not then they take Ehlers for his speed as they can afford him as well.

Both teams cover their needs and the Jets get cheaper, Salary flexibility and quality draft picks they are lacking.

I will be very surprised if Chevy can get a lot for Trouba. As was mentioned in the article, Trouba really has the Jets at his mercy. His agent could screw them over for one or two (and most likely) he will not agree to sign with any team as he wants to hit free agency and have the world his oyster. I am a big Trouba fan and he checks off a lot of boxes for want you want as an all around D-man, including the intangible mean streak, still relatively young year experienced and RH shooter to boot. His arrow is still going up. I like Morrissey slightly more, but after that the blueline looks bleak. Byfuglien is trending down and also may become untradeable soon. Do they over spend on Myers to bring him back? I like Myers (wish the best for him and his family as they have been through a lot) but he is not as consistent as one would like for someone set to make a big pile 💰 of money. Then what? Jets have a bunch of 3rd pairing D left at best.

The only option I agree is to package something with Trona to get a decent return.

Trouba & (Roslovic or Ehlers)

For

Gostisbehere
Hagg
Nic Aube Kubel
1st rd 2019
4th rd 2020 (via Nash)

All 3 Ghost, Hagg & Kubel would make the roster this fall and would be very good additions.

Ghost could play with Morrissey, Hagg with Byfuglien and Kubel would replace the goals lost from Tanev when he leaves. This gives the Jets solid, not spectacular replacements and helps their salary issues. Ghost comes cheap at $4.5 (4 more years) which is a bargain as he will be better next year, Hagg at $1.1 (2 years - RFA) will not put up many points but he is also trending up and will be able to play a lot of minutes and lastly Kubel at $1.1 (RFA) is also a cheap replacement.

The Flyers can afford to sign Trouba to the contract he wants for 7 years and also sign Roslovic as their 2-3C if they feel he is ready, if not then they take Ehlers for his speed as they can afford him as well.

Both teams cover their needs and the Jets get cheaper, Salary flexibility and quality draft picks they are lacking.
- Tommycasino

I'm not a fan of Ghost as he is so inconsistent and poor defensively. Kubel isn't that great and I would replace Ghost with Patrick keep Hague or a 1st for just Trouba. Don't include Roslovic or Ehlers in this trade.

I will be very surprised if Chevy can get a lot for Trouba. As was mentioned in the article, Trouba really has the Jets at his mercy. His agent could screw them over for one or two (and most likely) he will not agree to sign with any team as he wants to hit free agency and have the world his oyster. I am a big Trouba fan and he checks off a lot of boxes for want you want as an all around D-man, including the intangible mean streak, still relatively young year experienced and RH shooter to boot. His arrow is still going up. I like Morrissey slightly more, but after that the blueline looks bleak. Byfuglien is trending down and also may become untradeable soon. Do they over spend on Myers to bring him back? I like Myers (wish the best for him and his family as they have been through a lot) but he is not as consistent as one would like for someone set to make a big pile 💰 of money. Then what? Jets have a bunch of 3rd pairing D left at best.

The only option I agree is to package something with Trona to get a decent return.

Trouba & (Roslovic or Ehlers)

For

Gostisbehere
Hagg
Nic Aube Kubel
1st rd 2019
4th rd 2020 (via Nash)

All 3 Ghost, Hagg & Kubel would make the roster this fall and would be very good additions.

Ghost could play with Morrissey, Hagg with Byfuglien and Kubel would replace the goals lost from Tanev when he leaves. This gives the Jets solid, not spectacular replacements and helps their salary issues. Ghost comes cheap at $4.5 (4 more years) which is a bargain as he will be better next year, Hagg at $1.1 (2 years - RFA) will not put up many points but he is also trending up and will be able to play a lot of minutes and lastly Kubel at $1.1 (RFA) is also a cheap replacement.

The Flyers can afford to sign Trouba to the contract he wants for 7 years and also sign Roslovic as their 2-3C if they feel he is ready, if not then they take Ehlers for his speed as they can afford him as well.

Both teams cover their needs and the Jets get cheaper, Salary flexibility and quality draft picks they are lacking.
- Tommycasino

Trouba doesn’t have Chevy by the anything unless he’s only willing to sign with a handful of teams. There are 30 teams that could use Jacob Trouba, and the overwhelming majority are not in Canada.

As for a potential deal, I’ll take Trouba for Ghost and the #11.
Hagg is replacement level, I don’t know who that prospect is (my fault), and no realistic combination of players from Philly is worth Trouba and Ehlers in the same deal

Larry Brooks says that all the NY area teams (Rangers, Islanders and even the Devils) are very interested in Jacob Trouba. The Rangers are the most aggressive on that front right now. The asking price is steep though. Winnipeg is asking for a 1st round pick and a pair of good prospects or young NHLers in return for the 25-year-old RHD.

Brooks thinks the Rangers could offer a trade package including the 20th pick, Buchnevich and maybe Lundkvist (a young RHD). A dozen teams are in the hunt for Trouba. Let's the auctions begin!

Wheeler gets half of his points on the power play ?
What is so terrible about that ?
Laine gets half of his goals on the power play.

Wheeler gets half of his points on the power play ?
What is so terrible about that ?
Laine gets half of his goals on the power play.
- bennythehat

A: Nothing is bad about that on its own. It’s that his 5v5 numbers keep declining.
B: Laine is basically 80% of that units’ success, by his shot, or by his looming threat.
C: Laine and Wheeler are on opposite trajectories, as far as scoring balance

Larry Brooks says that all the NY area teams (Rangers, Islanders and even the Devils) are very interested in Jacob Trouba. The Rangers are the most aggressive on that front right now. The asking price is steep though. Winnipeg is asking for a 1st round pick and a pair of good prospects or young NHLers in return for the 25-year-old RHD.

Brooks thinks the Rangers could offer a trade package including the 20th pick, Buchnevich and maybe Lundkvist (a young RHD). A dozen teams are in the hunt for Trouba. Let's the auctions begin!
- batman8990

It can not hurt us if this is true and dont discount that all these teams are in the same division, it’s not just about getting Trouba but keeping him off your rivals

Trouba doesn’t have Chevy by the anything unless he’s only willing to sign with a handful of teams. There are 30 teams that could use Jacob Trouba, and the overwhelming majority are not in Canada.

As for a potential deal, I’ll take Trouba for Ghost and the #11.
Hagg is replacement level, I don’t know who that prospect is (my fault), and no realistic combination of players from Philly is worth Trouba and Ehlers in the same deal
- Rexypoo

Id be fine with ghost and 11 or I think the devils can offer a package with Sverson, prospect and a couple 2nd round picks.

A: Nothing is bad about that on its own. It’s that his 5v5 numbers keep declining.
B: Laine is basically 80% of that units’ success, by his shot, or by his looming threat.
C: Laine and Wheeler are on opposite trajectories, as far as scoring balance
- Rexypoo

Wheeler may be overpaid in 2 years but big deal. Like you said the Jets already have his replacement on the team.
Little has cost the Jets 2 first round picks. The Jets won't be making deadline deals to take Wheeler's spot.
Also after this year the Jets are pretty much in the clear cap wise with nothing more than a 3+ million bump for Morrissey in the foreseeable future.

So bad contract but doesn't really hurt the Jets.

Wheeler may be overpaid in 2 years but big deal. Like you said the Jets already have his replacement on the team.
Little has cost the Jets 2 first round picks. The Jets won't be making deadline deals to take Wheeler's spot.
Also after this year the Jets are pretty much in the clear cap wise with nothing more than a 3+ million bump for Morrissey in the foreseeable future.

So bad contract but doesn't really hurt the Jets.
- BWJumper

Blaming little for trades is a bit rich dont you think? Lines could have been shuffled, Copp/Lowry/Roslovic/even wheeler could have all been tried in 2nd line Center role with different wingers to help possession and 200’ game.

A: Nothing is bad about that on its own. It’s that his 5v5 numbers keep declining.
B: Laine is basically 80% of that units’ success, by his shot, or by his looming threat.
C: Laine and Wheeler are on opposite trajectories, as far as scoring balance
- Rexypoo

The Jets scored 62 power play goals last year. Laine had 15 of them. I am sure if Ehlers was given the same opportunity as Laine he would equalize Laine’s success if not beat it.

Laine had 50 points in total. Wheeler though he may be on the decline had 91 points. And even if half of them are on the power play he still outperforms Laine in even strength where he would have gotten 45 points.

Larry Brooks says that all the NY area teams (Rangers, Islanders and even the Devils) are very interested in Jacob Trouba. The Rangers are the most aggressive on that front right now. The asking price is steep though. Winnipeg is asking for a 1st round pick and a pair of good prospects or young NHLers in return for the 25-year-old RHD.

Brooks thinks the Rangers could offer a trade package including the 20th pick, Buchnevich and maybe Lundkvist (a young RHD). A dozen teams are in the hunt for Trouba. Let's the auctions begin!
- batman8990

If rumours are true that Ehlers is on the trade block, then maybe the Jets should pursue the following trade:

To NJ: Jacob Trouba, Nikolai Ehlers

To WPG: Damon Severson, Taylor Hall

Blaming little for trades is a bit rich dont you think? Lines could have been shuffled, Copp/Lowry/Roslovic/even wheeler could have all been tried in 2nd line Center role with different wingers to help possession and 200’ game.
- Ross77

So a guy plays second line C, for 2 years management thinks you are not getting the job done so they make trades to fill your position. Yeah it was Little's fault.

I will be very surprised if Chevy can get a lot for Trouba. As was mentioned in the article, Trouba really has the Jets at his mercy. His agent could screw them over for one or two (and most likely) he will not agree to sign with any team as he wants to hit free agency and have the world his oyster. I am a big Trouba fan and he checks off a lot of boxes for want you want as an all around D-man, including the intangible mean streak, still relatively young year experienced and RH shooter to boot. His arrow is still going up. I like Morrissey slightly more, but after that the blueline looks bleak. Byfuglien is trending down and also may become untradeable soon. Do they over spend on Myers to bring him back? I like Myers (wish the best for him and his family as they have been through a lot) but he is not as consistent as one would like for someone set to make a big pile 💰 of money. Then what? Jets have a bunch of 3rd pairing D left at best.

The only option I agree is to package something with Trona to get a decent return.

Trouba & (Roslovic or Ehlers)

For

Gostisbehere
Hagg
Nic Aube Kubel
1st rd 2019
4th rd 2020 (via Nash)

All 3 Ghost, Hagg & Kubel would make the roster this fall and would be very good additions.

Ghost could play with Morrissey, Hagg with Byfuglien and Kubel would replace the goals lost from Tanev when he leaves. This gives the Jets solid, not spectacular replacements and helps their salary issues. Ghost comes cheap at $4.5 (4 more years) which is a bargain as he will be better next year, Hagg at $1.1 (2 years - RFA) will not put up many points but he is also trending up and will be able to play a lot of minutes and lastly Kubel at $1.1 (RFA) is also a cheap replacement.

The Flyers can afford to sign Trouba to the contract he wants for 7 years and also sign Roslovic as their 2-3C if they feel he is ready, if not then they take Ehlers for his speed as they can afford him as well.

Both teams cover their needs and the Jets get cheaper, Salary flexibility and quality draft picks they are lacking.
- Tommycasino

This is a well thought out post

Blaming little for trades is a bit rich dont you think? Lines could have been shuffled, Copp/Lowry/Roslovic/even wheeler could have all been tried in 2nd line Center role with different wingers to help possession and 200’ game.
- Ross77

👍......

The Jets scored 62 power play goals last year. Laine had 15 of them. I am sure if Ehlers was given the same opportunity as Laine he would equalize Laine’s success if not beat it.

Laine had 50 points in total. Wheeler though he may be on the decline had 91 points. And even if half of them are on the power play he still outperforms Laine in even strength where he would have gotten 45 points.
- TheUltimateJet

I feel obligated to say how much I appreciate the civility of the discourse recently. More information is good! 👏......

So a guy plays second line C, for 2 years management thinks you are not getting the job done so they make trades to fill your position. Yeah it was Little's fault.
- BWJumper

Hahahahahaha ok

Devils blogger suggests that Jesper Bratt and a "B" prospect might get Trouba. Seriously!
Maybe he should start with Severson and add on a couple of pieces if he wants the Jets to consider the Devils.
Still think Florida, Philly and Detoit are the top contenders for Trouba, with the Isles a dark-horse. One thing, count out the Canadian teams and the teams in our Division.

The Jets scored 62 power play goals last year. Laine had 15 of them. I am sure if Ehlers was given the same opportunity as Laine he would equalize Laine’s success if not beat it.

Laine had 50 points in total. Wheeler though he may be on the decline had 91 points. And even if half of them are on the power play he still outperforms Laine in even strength where he would have gotten 45 points.
- TheUltimateJet

Okay, this actually just made me mad about how badly Paul Maurice is botching Ehlers by making him play the wrong side on unit 2.

But back rob Wheeler and Laine.
Wheeler picked up 91 points being force-fed minutes with Scheifele and Byfuglien, and running a powerplay with 4 legitimate scoring threats. He is in decline, noticeably so, and all of his rate stats went down.
Laine is the triggerman on that powerplay, and it’s biggest threat. He unfortunately lacks the Scheifele feeder Wheeler has, and is instead stuck with the non-creator/non-driver in Little, and a host of random wingers that don’t mesh with either of them

I feel obligated to say how much I appreciate the civility of the discourse recently. More information is good! 👏......
- liverpoolnhl

It’s amazing what happens when one starts to ignore a bully .

I also like to backup my claims with facts.

Okay, this actually just made me mad about how badly Paul Maurice is botching Ehlers by making him play the wrong side on unit 2.

But back rob Wheeler and Laine.
Wheeler picked up 91 points being force-fed minutes with Scheifele and Byfuglien, and running a powerplay with 4 legitimate scoring threats. He is in decline, noticeably so, and all of his rate stats went down.
Laine is the triggerman on that powerplay, and it’s biggest threat. He unfortunately lacks the Scheifele feeder Wheeler has, and is instead stuck with the non-creator/non-driver in Little, and a host of random wingers that don’t mesh with either of them
- Rexypoo

Based on the fact that both Scheifele and Connor had over 30 goals means that Laine just being based on the power play with the two should be piling on the assists. This just further proves the point I have been making in that, Laine is unable to elevate his line mates.

Okay, this actually just made me mad about how badly Paul Maurice is botching Ehlers by making him play the wrong side on unit 2.

But back rob Wheeler and Laine.
Wheeler picked up 91 points being force-fed minutes with Scheifele and Byfuglien, and running a powerplay with 4 legitimate scoring threats. He is in decline, noticeably so, and all of his rate stats went down.
Laine is the triggerman on that powerplay, and it’s biggest threat. He unfortunately lacks the Scheifele feeder Wheeler has, and is instead stuck with the non-creator/non-driver in Little, and a host of random wingers that don’t mesh with either of them
- Rexypoo

Ehlers should take Connors spot on the 1st pp. We wouldn't have any entry problems.....

Ehlers should take Connors spot on the 1st pp. We wouldn't have any entry problems.....
- liverpoolnhl

👍 agree

Based on the fact that both Scheifele and Connor had over 30 goals means that Laine just being based on the power play with the two should be piling on the assists. This just further proves the point I have been making in that, Laine is unable to elevate his line mates.
- TheUltimateJet

The power play is one dimensional and goes like this: Byfuglein/Trouba through Wheeler to Scheifele or Connor or Laine. The only chance Laine has for an assist is if someone scores off his rebounded shot....