Um... what?
- Rinosaur

Lol what IF Rutherford. Just teasing madmike.

#2 is the way this all works. The Jets needs to have interest in Justin Schultz as a Trouba replacement with a year in reasonable term left and the trade needs to revolve around that.
- Victoro311

Trouba would be a nice Schultz upgrade. I would be really worried about the cost to obtain and sign him. But if they overpay here, at least it would be on someone who'd make a difference.

Trouba would be a nice Schultz upgrade. I would be really worried about the cost to obtain and sign him. But if they overpay here, at least it would be on someone who'd make a difference.
- Tojo.

The cost may not be a crazy as you think. WPG is not working from a place of strength:

1) Trouba wants out.
2) There's no guarantee of an extension and that can really hurt the return for WPG. Nobody is going to give up major pieces for a rental.

I can't see them getting more than a 1st and mid-level prospect.

The cost may not be a crazy as you think. WPG is not working from a place of strength:

1) Trouba wants out.
2) There's no guarantee of an extension and that can really hurt the return for WPG. Nobody is going to give up major pieces for a rental.

I can't see them getting more than a 1st and mid-level prospect.
- Rinosaur

I disagree on his value. He’s worth more than that even as a rental alone plus you get the EK65 chance to try and entice him to stay. Hayes and Zuccarello just went for more than that as rentals and even Dzingel hauled in over 2 second rounders

Hagelin signed with caps 4 years 2.750mill AAV
- jso97

Swedish buddy of mine told me Friday that they were ironing out the details. Also told me MoJo wants to play somewhere warm and likely comes in at or under 5 which surprised me

I did say a while back that anyone thinking they’d get a guy like Hags for under $2MM was nuts. I think Panik gets around 5 and the price for Zucc, Hayes, etc keeps going up. Rumor is Hayes was asking for 5 to start the season but now it’s closer to 7

The cost may not be a crazy as you think. WPG is not working from a place of strength:

1) Trouba wants out.
2) There's no guarantee of an extension and that can really hurt the return for WPG. Nobody is going to give up major pieces for a rental.

I can't see them getting more than a 1st and mid-level prospect.
- Rinosaur

Trouba’s an RFA so you’re not even trading for a rental, you’re trading for his rights.

Trouba’s an RFA so you’re not even trading for a rental, you’re trading for his rights.
- Victoro311

You'd think the acquiring team would ask to talk long term contract with him. If he refuses to talk about signing for multiple years, the return could be limited. I'd be pissed if Rutherford gave multiple assets for only one guaranteed year.

Another note on Hagelin’s value to the Caps: he was brought in to help their P.K. which was really struggling. I think we can all agree that he’s a very effective penalty killer and if he puts up 20-25 ES points I think they’re happy with this

Trouba’s an RFA so you’re not even trading for a rental, you’re trading for his rights.
- Victoro311

Yup. So even less leverage to demand any major return.

You'd think the acquiring team would ask to talk long term contract with him. If he refuses to talk about signing for multiple years, the return could be limited. I'd be pissed if Rutherford gave multiple assets for only one guaranteed year.
- madmike71

If they knew they could get one year out of him, WPG should just take Schultz for Trouba straight up and call it a day.

You'd think the acquiring team would ask to talk long term contract with him. If he refuses to talk about signing for multiple years, the return could be limited. I'd be pissed if Rutherford gave multiple assets for only one guaranteed year.
- madmike71

I wasn’t too sure of how it works, but could the Pens talk with Trouba and his agent about a long term deal while he was still with the Jets? The jets have to trade him before free agency. Any team could offer sheet him a 1 year $8 mil contract and the jets would either have to keep him and be unable to trade him, OR take the compensation of a 1st 2nd and 3rd round pick, which could be late picks if it’s a contender

I wasn’t too sure of how it works, but could the Pens talk with Trouba and his agent about a long term deal while he was still with the Jets? The jets have to trade him before free agency. Any team could offer sheet him a 1 year $8 mil contract and the jets would either have to keep him and be unable to trade him, OR take the compensation of a 1st 2nd and 3rd round pick, which could be late picks if it’s a contender
- drummer829

Under the new CBA, RFAs can talk to other clubs a few days ahead of the draft but not as long as UFAs can. I think it’s in the 3-5 day range whereas for UFAs I think that starts on the 23rd. So, yes they can talk to him at some point ahead of FA - problem with your scenario is the 1 year part. Any team offer sheeting him is going to give him 7 years because it’s in their best interest to do so. The return of a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd isn’t high enough so I would expect the Jets to match it - at which point I think they can’t trade him for a year or something like that. If that happens, look for Perrault and Ehlers to be shopped and they’ll walk away from Myers

I wasn’t too sure of how it works, but could the Pens talk with Trouba and his agent about a long term deal while he was still with the Jets? The jets have to trade him before free agency. Any team could offer sheet him a 1 year $8 mil contract and the jets would either have to keep him and be unable to trade him, OR take the compensation of a 1st 2nd and 3rd round pick, which could be late picks if it’s a contender
- drummer829

This seems to be the big issues. Apparently Trouba is being difficult about where he’d accept a long-term extension. He wants to play for the Rangers.

Keeping Trouba is a foregone conclusion.

Carl Hagelin: https://twitter.com/ineff.../1140356548662833155?s=21

This seems to be the big issues. Apparently Trouba is being difficult about where he’d accept a long-term extension. He wants to play for the Rangers.

Keeping Trouba is a foregone conclusion.
- Rinosaur

I think you’re right. I think he only signs an offer sheet if (obviously) it’s where he wants to go AND of course he’s going to need a NTC/NMC. Combine that with the fact that he’ll want signing bonuses for lockout protection (which not all teams will do)

Would you rather sign E.Karlsson or Panarin @ $10M/year if you could choose?

How about the Kessel + for Subban idea?

I’m ready to move on from a couple of our worst contracts even if it costs some picks.

When has Trouba ever done anything? Why is he being talked about in the $7mil range?
Letang is much better than Trouba at everything except shot power, and size.

I think Myers could do well in the Pens system, he’s pretty much a bigger Schultz except there’s the outside chance he decides to play physical.

Would you rather sign E.Karlsson or Panarin @ $10M/year if you could choose?

How about the Kessel + for Subban idea?

I’m ready to move on from a couple of our worst contracts even if it costs some picks.
- Barnaby36

Panarin. No question. Karlsson will get $10M+, but I don't know that he's worth $10M anymore.

I would definitely do Kessel straight up for Subban. The Pens can then move Schultz out and maybe another contract to go sign a UFA forward.

When has Trouba ever done anything? Why is he being talked about in the $7mil range?
Letang is much better than Trouba at everything except shot power, and size.

I think Myers could do well in the Pens system, he’s pretty much a bigger Schultz except there’s the outside chance he decides to play physical.
- stackthepads

Hell no to Myers. Myers is a pretty mediocre defenseman in every aspect of the game.

Trouba isn't being talked about in the $7M range, he's been talked about in the $8M+ range. Trouba is a very good defenseman. He does most things very well, but he's not a #1 dman. A #1 dman in this market is $10+. He's a #2 dman and that's going to run you around $8M.

Would you rather sign E.Karlsson or Panarin @ $10M/year if you could choose?

How about the Kessel + for Subban idea?

I’m ready to move on from a couple of our worst contracts even if it costs some picks.
- Barnaby36

Karlsson is such a wild card. If healthy he’s in the conversation for best dman in the league if healthy. If healthy he’s a steal at 10 if healthy.

He just looks too much like Forsberg to me.

Hell no to Myers. Myers is a pretty mediocre defenseman in every aspect of the game.

Trouba isn't being talked about in the $7M range, he's been talked about in the $8M+ range. Trouba is a very good defenseman. He does most things very well, but he's not a #1 dman. A #1 dman in this market is $10+. He's a #2 dman and that's going to run you around $8M.
- Rinosaur

You really think the market for Trouba is 8M?
How much do you think Myers gets? You don’t think Myers is a Schultz comparable?

You really think the market for Trouba is 8M?
How much do you think Myers gets? You don’t think Myers is a Schultz comparable?
- stackthepads

I'll rephrase my take on Myers. He's not mediocre. He's an above average offensive dman, but he's probably going to get overpaid due to the lack of quality UFA dmen. Yeah, aside from being more physical, he's probably comparable in Schultz. I think whatever we see Myers get signed for, we can expect a similar number for Schultz.

I do really think the market for Trouba is $8M. Very good offensive dmen, especially younger ones are going to get paid. They are a commodity.

EDIT: Not to mention he's an RD. Those get even more money.

I'll rephrase my take on Myers. He's not mediocre. He's an above average offensive dman, but he's probably going to get overpaid due to the lack of quality UFA dmen. Yeah, aside from being more physical, he's probably comparable in Schultz. I think whatever we see Myers get signed for, we can expect a similar number for Schultz.

I do really think the market for Trouba is $8M. Very good offensive dmen, especially younger ones are going to get paid. They are a commodity.
- Rinosaur

Fair enough, I wouldn’t have thought Trouba was considered an 8M guy, but Can’t say I would be surprised.

When has Trouba ever done anything? Why is he being talked about in the $7mil range?
Letang is much better than Trouba at everything except shot power, and size.

I think Myers could do well in the Pens system, he’s pretty much a bigger Schultz except there’s the outside chance he decides to play physical.
- stackthepads

Letang isn't really a good comparable because salaries have risen so much. He's a #1 getting paid like a 2-3 guy, great value for the Pens.

Trouba probably should get paid close to Letang but wants another million and the market will probably give it to him. Not worth it IMO, but on the other hand there are worse positions to overpay then getting a new 2nd best defenseman, so I'm coming around a bit.

It's a pretty rough market for UFA dmen. Karlsson, Myers and Gardiner are the gems. Once Karlsson get signed, you're going to see Gardiner and Myers get around $6.5/$7M. The drop off after these guys is steep, so they will get paid.

You look at 2020 and it's a a much richer market, so depending on what the cap is you'll probably see more fair prices.